The way he acts on the touchline, the pathetic excuses in interviews and the general way he conducts himself. I thought he got an unfair advantage over Mourinho in the press too - though Mourinho is a prick and certainly helped dig his own grave there.
They weren't though, if they were miles better it wouldn't have gone to penalties, they would have won, and the aim of the game is to score most goals not have most possession so again, they were not the better team.
So you think success is something you just pluck out of thin air?
They were 1st half though. Ripped Liverpool apart. 2nd half, they just imploded, thinking they had already won it!
Think there was a story in Gerrard's book about Gattuso joking around at HT and already kissing the trophy or something like that, they looked like they didn't care anymore and thought they'd already won it.
I see all that, but does he actually wind you up? I kind of like the "general way he conducts himself". The FA not getting onto him is an FA problem rather than his. I just hate the fact that Liverpool managed to squire him as their manager.
You don't progress while sleeping though.
I do.
He doesn't wind me up, I just think he's a bellend.
Yeh i dont get what that guy is on about either. They are clearly much better now than what they were 3-4 years ago. Consistently challenging is all any club can do. The difference in tipping you over the edge as you could see in the Liverpool vs Barca game was some small Argentinian who happens to be one of the best of all time. There's not much you can do about that as a opposition manager
This is fair enough. Those moments are among the reasons we all love football. And the inverse crushing feeling is why we hate it too. Trophies just prolong the inevitable feeling of disappointment. There are no highs without the lows.
Well, Guardiola spent even more money. Klopp's still dependent on Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge for offensive depth. He spent a lot but he also lost Coutinho & Can recently.
As above, and finally, football doesn't work like that. Most people thought Newcastle were there to compete after they signed Shearer in 1996, we all know what happened since.
4 years ?
They are in a coma. Why? Because the history books will show that they haven’t won anything for x amount of years and as I type they haven’t won the PL and that they last won the 1st Division as it was 29 years ago.
If winning trophies = success, why did Manchester United sack their last 2 'successful' managers ?
This is utter nonsense.
Yes, but you're comparing Kevin Keegan to Jurgen Klopp here. Klopp took over a Dortmund side who had the worse defensive record in the league, & 3 years later with him in charge they had the best. He's done something very similar at Liverpool. That in itself shows he's someone who knows what he's doing. Keegan on the other hand had a tendency to fly by the seat of his pants during most of his - trophyless - managerial career.
So are you saying success can be coming second now?
Agree with all that apart from the bit where you infer that Klopp's done it all on a shoestring, while others (namely City and United can spend what they like)
You’re right remind me how many points can Liverpool actually get? Oh yes 97.
First is first, second is nowhere. Isn't that the old saying ? The thing is, Jurgen Klopp's time at Anfield can only be judged as either a success or failure when his time is up here. Not winning the league with 90+ points is simply failing to better a side that last season hit 100 points, & has shown similar consistency this season too. It might not be success, but it's certainly not failure. I'm quite sure you'd have gladly taken a guarantee at the start of the season to better United's last season's total by at least 10 points. You certainly wouldn't be on here trying to play down Jose's work, even if he'd broken transfer records with a couple of his signings.
You're right it is not failure for certain.
You had a very good start to the season, & that's why you finished as high as you did. I pointed this out a couple of times on various threads, & suggested that your position may not be an accurate pointer as to United's future. We've been consistent right from the off. Yeah we've had some luck, but to chase a side that's capable of dropping just 13 or 14 points a season you do need a lot of things to go for you. A lot of people have taken it as a given that City will automatically hit a similar points next season & beyond. I don't subscribe to that point of view. Pep himself has recently said how much it puts on the players with regards to having to do it week in week out, year in, year out. Jose's Chelsea side won 2 consecutive league titles in 2005 & 2006 with 90 plus points, but despite making even more big signings to strengthen his squad, he was never able to replicate it in the 3rd season. He was sacked just 6 games into his 4th season in charge after just obtaining 11 points out of a possible 18.
What you say about City though, can equally be applied to Liverpool.
Totally agree with you. It's unlikely we'll ever be in a position again to amass such a high points total. But then again, 'unlikely' does sometimes happen. & if I'm right in what I said in my earlier post about my doubts about City not being able to sustain the level of consistency they've shown over the past couple of seasons, chances are we may not need to hit the heights we have this year. & if you're right about the other teams improving, then there's a very good chance the head-to-heads of the top 6 will become even more crucial over the course of the season.
The poster never said Klopp has to win trophies to be labelled a success at Liverpool. In fact, he already is a success. There have been signs of progression at the end of every season, 2 finals in debut season. CL qualification next season followed by a CL Final last season to a record PL finish. If he were to go in 2 weeks time, he'd leave behind a squad which is completely transformed from the laughable one you had.
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