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They don't need to replace him like for like is the pointLosing Coutinho and not suitably replacing him is improving the team?
They don't need to replace him like for like is the pointLosing Coutinho and not suitably replacing him is improving the team?
Who is fish?No but that's Fish's wet dream.
FSG *Who is fish?
No. That’d be one trophy in something like 17 years.Question for you Liverpool fans.
If you were offered a top 4 finish every season so for the next 5-6 years but with no silverware, would you take it?
Depends on how replaceable you think he is. How easy is it to find a player that can match Coutinho’s contribution?Liverpool will really struggle to replace what Coutinho gives them. I don't see performances dropping off as much as when Suarez left, but wouldn't be surprised if they go through a phase of lots of dropped points whilst they transition again.
Keita may help add a bit more dynamism from a deeper position, but Coutinho he is not.
I'm sure you said the exact same thing last season.No. That’d be one trophy in something like 17 years.
I’d take top four this year but if Klopp hasn’t won anything by the end of next season then questions should be asked.
I probably did to be fair, but I’m allowed to change my mind. I can’t really think of anyone better we could get in, and we did at least get back into the Champions League last season. That’s progress for a club that has mostly been stuck in mid table since 2009.I'm sure you said the exact same thing last season.
To answer your question in simple yes or no its an obvious yes.Question for you Liverpool fans.
If you were offered a top 4 finish every season so for the next 5-6 years but with no silverware, would you take it?
I think I agree with this, if Klopp is still at 'pool when Guardiola leaves City in 2 or 3 seasons time I think you'll might be close to winning the league in the 2 seasons or so after that. You've some decent defenders coming though and (i'd expect) he'd have improved the goalkeeper and defenders but then you'll have to still have retained players of the caliber of Salah and Mane and if you haven't won anything in the next 2 season they may be looking to get out.To answer your question in simple yes or no its an obvious yes.
But i find it really hard to digest that under klopp playing champions league every season and we wont win anything. We missed europa by 2 goals and league cup buy just a penalty in his first half season. Considering the hypothetical situation, if klopp is there and regular champions league is there i think we wont have players like lovren, moreno, mignolet in the team that are really holding us back.
I don't think you can expect him to be winning either the EPL or Champions League with the squad he currently has. A title challenge or run into the semi's would be a great achievement for him. The only competitions left are the two cups where he already plays weaker teams at the start in order to focus more on getting into the top 4.No. That’d be one trophy in something like 17 years.
I’d take top four this year but if Klopp hasn’t won anything by the end of next season then questions should be asked.
This. Very sensible.I don't think you can expect him to be winning either the EPL or Champions League with the squad he currently has. A title challenge or run into the semi's would be a great achievement for him. The only competitions left are the two cups where he already plays weaker teams at the start in order to focus more on getting into the top 4.
I don't think he should be judged solely on the basis of how many trophies he's winning, Liverpool have to think about the long run and no one can say Liverpool haven't improved under Klopp and looked their best since 2013-14. Right now the Premier League is as strong as it has been since the late 00's and expecting Klopp to be winning trophies during this time with the squad he has (when compared to the rest) is unfair.
It's tough to look at Liverpool winning the Premier League or Champions League in the coming years, unless they manage to unearth a Suarez like player. What they can hope for is a consistent top 4 spot, so that they can continue to attract good players, and wish upon a season where the better squads struggle (like in 15-16).
I agree with this. Steady improvement, with consistent top 4 finishes is what Liverpool should be looking to achieve and at the moment Klopp is just doing that. The question is; how many years down the line do you re-evaluate your goals and start to change from just wanting top 4 or putting in a title challenge; to wanting to win prestigious silverware? Genuine question, because Klopp will have to win something major someday.This. Very sensible.
All the calls for 'Klopp has to win something' are BS and unrealistic. It could happen of course but are the FAC or LC actually worth much in terms of prestige now ? Look at Arsenal, two wins didn't bring them any greater respect or make them any more attractive to prospective transfer targets. The PL and CL are pretty much all that matters.
First of all its a complete hypothetical situation that we wont win anything.I think I agree with this, if Klopp is still at 'pool when Guardiola leaves City in 2 or 3 seasons time I think you'll might be close to winning the league in the 2 seasons or so after that. You've some decent defenders coming though and (i'd expect) he'd have improved the goalkeeper and defenders but then you'll have to still have retained players of the caliber of Salah and Mane and if you haven't won anything in the next 2 season they may be looking to get out.
*reading that back it makes no sense on the screen but I think I know what I mean, it's a bit of a paradox, you should, you might but you probably won't
Klopp has stated that unequivocally he has the last say on who we sign. A variety of sources can suggest players though.The way he talked about it, both Mane and Salah were players who'd been scouted by BvB while he was there...
Wonder if liverpool's scouts and DoF are as good as BvB's. Klopp isn't Benitez, he doesn't decide who to sign on his own, he doesn't have his own scouts, and liverpool's current structure seems to be more "continental", meaning Klopp doesn't have final say on transfers iirc
I dont know if you support Liverpool or not buy anyway are you really believing that?The way he talked about it, both Mane and Salah were players who'd been scouted by BvB while he was there...
Wonder if liverpool's scouts and DoF are as good as BvB's. Klopp isn't Benitez, he doesn't decide who to sign on his own, he doesn't have his own scouts, and liverpool's current structure seems to be more "continental", meaning Klopp doesn't have final say on transfers iirc
His game management must be among the worst at the top level. 2-0 up, you really have to keep it tight and frustrate them. They just went all over the place like they'd already won.Been saying this for ages but Klopp is an absolute joke tactically.
A mixture of Jose and Klopp would probably be ideal.His game management must be among the worst at the top level. 2-0 up, you really have to keep it tight and frustrate them. They just went all over the place like they'd already won.
Kloppo at 2:2
Kloppo at 3:2
Kloppo at 3:3
Spot on.Been saying this for ages but Klopp is an absolute joke tactically.
Why?Been saying this for ages but Klopp is an absolute joke tactically.
Indeed. Arsenal were nullified completely except for their third goal. Gomez completely switches off and fecks up what should be a simple clearance for the first goal, and Mignolet makes a huge gaffe of a 35 yard shot which is straight at him. Klopp's tactics weren't the problem here.Tactically, nothing new. If Liverpool ever want to be a real tittle contender, that entire backline and goalkeeper need an overhaul and massive slap on their face. For all glamorous attacking line they have, their defensive departement will always hold them back.
Spot on.I said this before. It is not just the back four and defensive MF. (Ok their goaly is rubbish; they need a new goaly, yes.) It is 1 to 11. Their whole system is flawed, in that it is attack minded. When we went two up against Arsenal, we kept defending with 10, sometimes 11 men behind the ball. When liverpool were two up, they still kept their front three attacking and not defending. This means, when Arsenal attack, they have more space.
Salah, Firmino and Mane were not defending on occasions.
Exactly. Klopp went to a 4-5-1 way too late in the game. He should have dropped Salah and Mane to make a 5 in midfield and leave Firminho up top when they went 2-0 up. Arsenal were going to attack all out after Liverpool's 2nd goal, so get the extra bodies in. Arsenal walked through their midfield for their 3rd goal.I said this before. It is not just the back four and defensive MF. (Ok their goaly is rubbish; they need a new goaly, yes.) It is 1 to 11. Their whole system is flawed, in that it is attack minded. When we went two up against Arsenal, we kept defending with 10, sometimes 11 men behind the ball. When liverpool were two up, they still kept their front three attacking and not defending. This means, when Arsenal attack, they have more space.
Salah, Firmino and Mane were not defending on occasions.
Arsenal didn't have their way with the defence. They had and scored from 3 shots on target all game, two of which were from huge individual errors.The tactical joke was in his substitutions. He bought on a midfielder for an attacker when the score was 3-3, so he wanted to protect the draw??? Why not bring on a midfielder when they are in the lead, or bring on an attacker to push for the win.
It was obvious that the game was way too open for Liverpool, their lead was not being protected. So instead of making a sub to change the game he let Arsenal have their way with the Liverpool defense.
How does today point towards the system being flawed when Arsenal were completely nullified for 90% of the game? How does Gomez leaving his man at the far post and Mignolet making an error say anything about the system?I said this before. It is not just the back four and defensive MF. (Ok their goaly is rubbish; they need a new goaly, yes.) It is 1 to 11. Their whole system is flawed, in that it is attack minded. When we went two up against Arsenal, we kept defending with 10, sometimes 11 men behind the ball. When liverpool were two up, they still kept their front three attacking and not defending. This means, when Arsenal attack, they have more space.
Salah, Firmino and Mane were not defending on occasions.