What are your opinion on Macheda's chances then? You see, even assuming he enjoys a successfull loan spell at QPR now, getting some matches and goals under his belt, and assuming Owen is gone by the summer - what chance has he got of game time next season, up against the quartet of Rooney/Welbeck/Hernandez/Berbatov?
Kiko Macheda
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Has he signed for QPR then?
Looking forward to seeing how it works out - I can somehow see him fitting in with the QPR squad and working well with Warnock but I wish he'd gone to Sunderland or Everton. He'd get a lot of chances at those two clubs, play every week and I'd rather he worked with Moyes or O'Neill than Warnock.
Looking forward to seeing how it works out - I can somehow see him fitting in with the QPR squad and working well with Warnock but I wish he'd gone to Sunderland or Everton. He'd get a lot of chances at those two clubs, play every week and I'd rather he worked with Moyes or O'Neill than Warnock.
Cleverley had spent 2.5 years on loan before he got his first appearance for United (days before his 22nd birthday). And we don't know how long Berbatov will be at United (I mean, January or June 2013).
I want to finish this silly discussion, because I have to prepare something to eat before the game, but I want you to tell me how has Diouf impressed you in the league so far.
Not very much. Looks miles away from being a United-striker.
Which makes me worry a bit, since he's outperforming Macheda by quite a distance in the reserve matches I've managed to catch this season.
Are you actually saying Diouf has shown more in the PL than Kiko?
Where did that come from? Morrison has probably played about 90 minutes of first team football throughout his career. Macheda has been with the first team for three seasons, pretty much. From what I've seen of Morrison, which admittedly isn't much, he's got a long way to go before being ready to compete for a regular place and probably would benefit from a loan move(although his off-field record leaves a lot to be desired).
I'm not allowed to have an opinion on one of our players? Is it so farfetched for me to think that Macheda will struggle with breaking through in a team containing strikers with the quality of Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez and Berbatov? Mame Biram Diouf has shown more at Premier League-level than him FFS.
Kiko's winner against Villa two years ago was worth it's weight in gold, because it put us back on track again and on our way to winning our 18th title (and going level with Liverpool).
I will admit that Kiko hasn't kicked on as much from then as we'd all hoped, but a good loan move will hopefully do him wonders.
So, you should have written that he had shown more than him at Premier Reserve League-level.
Ok, see you in this thread after his five appearances for QPR
Yeah, but Diouf has played a season(and delivered decently) for Blackburn - Macheda's shown a few glimpses, but overall ha been disappointing when he's got his chances.
As I've explained, I just don't see enough about his game to make it here, and I don't think he's clinical or prolific enough to compensate.
Sigh.. Missing my point completely, but there you go. Have a nice dinner!So, you should have written that he had shown at Premier Reserve League-level.
Ok, see you in this thread after his five appearances for QPR
Quote me on this: Macheda will never make it.
He needs to go and have a decent spell on loan, like Welbeck did. (And no, please don't count that Italian team he went to because that was useless).
If he goes to a decent PL club, like Welbeck did with Sunderland, and performs well then he deserves a chance back here.
I reckon the Sampdoria loan set him back a bit - turned out to be a waste of time.
He'd have been far better off going to a Sunderland/QPR/Everton last season and getting confidence and goals in the PL...
He'd have been far better off going to a Sunderland/QPR/Everton last season and getting confidence and goals in the PL...
Diouf has had a spell at a PL club, and delivered quite well - but he's still far off getting a look in. Hell, even Berbatov's started only two this year, and he was top scorer last season!
Welbeck always has been the superior striker in my book - he's got the overall quality to his game, which could always be seen, even if he was raw. Macheda's shown that he's got a great finish in his locker, but he's severely lacking in pretty much every other aspect of senior level football(compared to what it takes to make it at United, that is).
I think he'd have to have a stormer of a loan spell for him to get a decent shot at it next season. And I don't think he's got it in him, unfortunately.
Noted.
At United, or at any club at all?
I think alot of people have a soft spot for Macheda because of the spectacular Villa goal (and early promise in the reserves) but that aside he's looked very poor since. Diouf hasn't done anything for us to win our attention but he was pretty decent at Blackburn (playing out of position) and I'd much rather have him on the pitch than Macheda right now.
I'd rather Macheda went on loan to the championship where he's guaranteed games, at QPR I'm not sure he will.
I'd rather Macheda went on loan to the championship where he's guaranteed games, at QPR I'm not sure he will.
If he is indeed going to QPR I expect him to get minutes there. As good as Helguson has been for them this season he can't play every week and the other strikers haven't looked likely to score in the games they've played.
Think it is a good move for Macheda and hopefully he'll make the most of it. It could very well make or break his career for United seeing how underwhelming he has been for use this year as well as his bad loan spell in Italy.
I know he's young and all that but the talent we have up front at the moment just doesn't give much chance for a young striker trying to find his feet. I believe and hope he can take the next step but at the moment I'm not overly convinced.
Think it is a good move for Macheda and hopefully he'll make the most of it. It could very well make or break his career for United seeing how underwhelming he has been for use this year as well as his bad loan spell in Italy.
I know he's young and all that but the talent we have up front at the moment just doesn't give much chance for a young striker trying to find his feet. I believe and hope he can take the next step but at the moment I'm not overly convinced.
Macheda has just tweeted this: "LONDON." So I'd guess he's probably down there now finalising a deal.
I like the boy, too bad if we let him go
It's a 6 month loan. He'll be back at United next season, and hopefully we have a better player back in our hands
same question as MUFCgal and on what basis are you completely writing him off?
I hope he gets played, and I hope he does well.
If that happens, he deserves a chance to come back here and push for the first team.
If that happens, he deserves a chance to come back here and push for the first team.
the chap is 20yrs old, he deserves a bit of time and a few games to prove he has what it takes.
Makes watching QPR games far more interesting now.
I agree, his first touch is one of the worst I have seen.
I said this about Welbeck and was proven wrong, but I don't think he'll get enough games at QPR.
I'd pick him over Bothroyd (a good footballer who doesn't score enough) and Campbell (a fairly crap footballer who scores more than he should). Helguson is fearsomely average - definitely not good enough for the premiership. Don't know much about Mackie. QPR badly need some goals, and Macheda definitely has goals in him.
I've been impressed with his attitude over the last season or two, even if less than impressed with some of his play, especially outside the box. He can finish though.
I've been impressed with his attitude over the last season or two, even if less than impressed with some of his play, especially outside the box. He can finish though.
I probably would too but they're both battle-hardened pros who don't have the rawness you get with Macheda. And he's not scored very many for us after his early goals and you'd think the service at QPR will be quite a bit worse. Plus they have a few quid so they might bring someone else in if they have a chance.
I think he'll see plenty of action. Some off the bench probably.
If he's good enough to challenge for a place in United, he'll force himself into Warnock's plans at QPR 9 times out of 10 - better hope this is no Rossi at Newcastle-situation.
I hope the boy will find some confidence, he's a good finisher as you say.
I'm not an expert on the QPR squad but they don't really look to have a lot of options up front.
I'm unsure how he'll perform though, tbh. He is a talented striker (I'm sure the deterioration of his first touch is rustiness), however I can't help but think he's lost the work ethic he showed just before he made the break through.
No need to judge Macheda, just sit back and watch. If he's good enough, he'll shine like Welbeck, if he's not, he won't get into the QPR team and we'd just know he won't make it at united. No shame there, the likes of Rossi and Pique didn't and were'nt bad players at all...
This will be the making of him...come on Freddie Mac, do us proud!
This will be the making of him...come on Freddie Mac, do us proud!
Deal done, loan until the end of the season.
I have a soft spot for Kiko.
I really hope it works better then the previous one this time.
I really hope it works better then the previous one this time.
It must be quite attractive to QPR that Macheda doesn't have to be named in their 25 man squad due to being under 21. They had to leave out about a dozen over the age of 21 players when they selected their 25 man squad at the start of September.
How long until his first reported "bust up" with Barton I wonder.
Yeah, would agree with all this. I'd be a bit concerned that it'll be cameos rather than any sort of a run. All four of those strikers have goal-scoring pedigree, 2 of them in the premier league and Bothroyd, although not notching too many himself, is a decent target man, which our Federico is not. Hope I'm wrong.
He doesn't have the brain or the technical ability imo. But I thought the same about Nani and he improved incredibly, although with him the technical aspect was never in doubt.
Good luck to Kiko.
Good luck to Kiko.
He's got something about him, reminds me of Vieri. When he matures enough (probably around 25-26) I think he'll be a very good striker, just maybe not at United.
I think Warnock is attracted to his special nose.
He, himself, of course, the proud owner of a quite peculiar tool for smelling.
He, himself, of course, the proud owner of a quite peculiar tool for smelling.