The outpouring of grief about this decision in the media is fecking laughable. It would have barely warranted a mention had it gone against United and everyone knows it.
Liverpool are the luckiest club in the league and it will never end
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There is a reason they were called liVARpool. Funny thing is when they are receiving some bad decisions VAR itself became a big problem. Semi automated 3D offside system that used in world cup should be introduced from this season. Why they didn't implement it nobody knows. It reduced human errors then just use it. But instead we are hearing nonstop crying from these liVARpool fans and their pro liverpool commentators. Get on with it.
I don’t think they do. Because if they did it would be very weird to be constantly talking about it like just another bad VAR call that didn’t go your way. It is NOTHING like that. It is indeed something on another level. Clearly there is something wrong with the checking process that needs to be changed so that something so stupid can’t happen again.
Some powerful clubs didn't want to implement semi automated offside tracker that used in world cup. Why nobody knows. It will reduce human errors and calls were accurate. Hope liverpool not one of those that voted against it.
Will we get a day off work for a national day of mourning over this decision? This is what I’m hoping for.
It really isn't on "another level" though is it?
It's not on another level to failing to draw the offside lines level with the line of the pitch, or failing to even draw them straight (both of which have happened).
It's not on another level to not sending a player off because the VAR ref didn't want his mate who was the match ref to have to send someone off (this actually IS on another level because its an open admission of deliberately getting a decision wrong rather than it being a mistake).
Its not on another level to disallowing a last minute winner in an FA cup game for an offside that never existed and then VAR just refusing to check it - this one happened in a Liverpool game but weirdly their was no club statement demanding consequences and trying to bully officials when it worked in their favour.
Its just another baffling inexplicable mistake to add to the list which gets added to on a weekly basis. I don't know why you would be surprised at the explanation being incredibly dumb at this point. Remind me again what the perfectly understandable explanation was when United had a goal chalked off for offside after VAR scribbled some wiggly lines on the screen to make it look offside when it wasn't?
I mean, this is way back at the start of VAR. This is where the precedent was set and I'd love to hear an explanation for this that isn't actually worse than "we thought the goal had been given".
So give over with the on another level bollocks please. Its been mentioned a few times on here now and its complete nonsense. A team had a goal wrongly disallowed in a game where they also managed to get two of their own players sent off through dumb stupidity and then kicked the ball into the back of their own net to lose the game. Its hardly the biggest injustice that will happen this season. The bigger issue at this point is Liverpool FC trying to publicly bully the match officials into only making mistakes when it benefits them, which again IS on another level and is also utterly fecking pathetic.
The amusing part of this thread is njred proclaiming this Liverpool team has "it"...teams who have "it" don't tend to self capitulate in a game and then throw a massive club statement/conspiracy theory level tantrum about it afterwards. That;s the behaviour of not thinking you are good enough and then deciding its unfair/excuses time rather than thinking you can do anything about it.
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It is a shame that Ten Hag, when asked about it didn't say something like:
There are mistakes every week, sometimes they are in your favour and sometimes they're against you. We have to accept it and move on. The only reason a big deal is being made about it this time is because it's Liverpool and they always make a big deal about it when decisions go against them and say nothing when they benefit. They will probably get all the decisions in their favour for the rest of the season now.
This is exactly what Klopp would have said about United if the boot was on the other foot. Ten Hag is too respectful and too much much of a gentleman to come out with something like that. Klopp would, because he's a cnut.
There are mistakes every week, sometimes they are in your favour and sometimes they're against you. We have to accept it and move on. The only reason a big deal is being made about it this time is because it's Liverpool and they always make a big deal about it when decisions go against them and say nothing when they benefit. They will probably get all the decisions in their favour for the rest of the season now.
This is exactly what Klopp would have said about United if the boot was on the other foot. Ten Hag is too respectful and too much much of a gentleman to come out with something like that. Klopp would, because he's a cnut.
Agree with this. The outcry in the media is getting laughable now. It’s turning into a joke.
The media is a joke, what more to expect from jokers feck LiVARpool the crying barstards
Where was this outcry for Wolves last season when VAR robbed them against the Scousers . The Luis Garcia Ghost goal? The lucky penalty against Tottenham in the UCL final.
Liverpool receive way more favours from VAR than any other club. Yet when they have one bad week. The country goes into mourning and even talk of replying a game. Which would be a dangerous move.
VAR has been the worst thing other than Mark Forrest fan Goldbridge . But wow never seen a team get so much sympathy if this was us or even City or Arsenal the media would have forgotten about it by Monday and been case closed.
Liverpool receive way more favours from VAR than any other club. Yet when they have one bad week. The country goes into mourning and even talk of replying a game. Which would be a dangerous move.
VAR has been the worst thing other than Mark Forrest fan Goldbridge . But wow never seen a team get so much sympathy if this was us or even City or Arsenal the media would have forgotten about it by Monday and been case closed.
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So...... you're saying you want Ten Hag to be more like Klopp......or are you saying you're glad he's a gentleman and keeps his lip buttoned, unlike Klopp, who'd stick his neck out for his team?
They demanding a replay? Think I might have missed that one.
Just a quick question, would you be OK with the status quo continuing the way it is regarding piss poor officiating?
Tribalism in football is so powerful that football loving fans can't see that poor officiating happens to all teams. Clubs like Liverpool calling it out and asking for accountability is what all clubs should be doing rather then just accept these poor decisions and the apologies or non apologies that's given.
If the same thing happens to Chelsea the weekend, then will you and your fellow fans also just 'Move on'?
We are receiving bad officiating every game. Opponents kick our players left right not even given yellow for them nobody questioning them.
Just because liverpool cheer leaders bigging up mistakes made against your team doesn't mean it didn't happen to others. Lukaku goal in carabao Cup final against you lot no worse than Luis Diaz goal. So don't cry it's only happen to your team alone.
Semi automated offside system should be implemented. But I doubt your club one of those that opposed to implement it. Why because you would most likely benefitted from this present system.
There are whispers that the PL might look to have the game replayed - in which case, I want our game at Arsenal replayed: Garnacho was on onside. I also wan the CL semi final against Porto, which kick-started Jose's career, restaged. Paul Scholes' goal was wrongly disallowed ad we would have been in the final; same for Dennis Law's in the 1969 semi against AC Milan... all that said, Arsenal would now beat us 10-0...
Have just heard the VAR audio and it backs up everything I've always said: the rtch is very good, the guys using it don't seem to know a football from a ping pong ball
Have just heard the VAR audio and it backs up everything I've always said: the rtch is very good, the guys using it don't seem to know a football from a ping pong ball
"Maupay's infringement was initially missed by referee Chris Kavanagh, who blew the full-time whistle, but a pitchside VAR review handed Fernandes a penalty of his own which he dispatched into the top corner to seal the unlikeliest of victories for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's below-par side in the 100th minute". Your team benefitted from VAR AFTER the ref had blown the whistle to end the match? https://www.skysports.com/football/...sp-bruno-fernandes-penalty-seals-dramatic-win
Alex Ferguson, or Jose Mourinho would have done exactly the same as Klopp too though.
Could you imagine SAF dealing with this VAR farce. Could you imagine listening to that audio? He would have flipped his shit. It would have been scrapped. Klopp has seen his team finish second by a point so why wouldn’t he question anything about this terrible VAR system. The audio proves the system is in trouble run by inept people. It needs to be scrapped now.
This is why you lot will continue to be bullied by this refereeing system. Your mgr is too respectful and too much of gentlman for this league. You said it in a nutshell.
It needs to be improved upon not scrapped. There is a lot of potential there, I think the world cup had pretty decent VAR decisions unless I have forgotten.
I get that VAR is supposed to correct bad decisions and this is an example where it totally failed, but remember pre-VAR when you would get incorrect offside, handball, red card, penalty calls in many games every week and everyone just had to get on with it.
They of course need to sort the procedure out to ensure that the same thing doesn't happen again, but longer term I would like to see a 1 challenge per team, per half system brought in, so we allow the referee to make onfield decisions like the old days and referees are not allowed to ask VAR to check anything and we don't auto check every goal.
Managers / captain can request a VAR review of a goal scored against, a disallowed goal or possible red card offence only (no more handball in the area VAR checks - if the referee doesn't give it in real time, tough shit). They must also state why they want the goal checked... e.g. attacking player handball, offside, foul and they check only for that offence. This stops a hopeful last minute, please find anything wrong with the goal appeal.
If you challenge and are wrong, you lose your challenge and now have to accept all onfield decisions. If you are right you retain it and can challenge again. You get one per half, and one in extra time if applicable.
They of course need to sort the procedure out to ensure that the same thing doesn't happen again, but longer term I would like to see a 1 challenge per team, per half system brought in, so we allow the referee to make onfield decisions like the old days and referees are not allowed to ask VAR to check anything and we don't auto check every goal.
Managers / captain can request a VAR review of a goal scored against, a disallowed goal or possible red card offence only (no more handball in the area VAR checks - if the referee doesn't give it in real time, tough shit). They must also state why they want the goal checked... e.g. attacking player handball, offside, foul and they check only for that offence. This stops a hopeful last minute, please find anything wrong with the goal appeal.
If you challenge and are wrong, you lose your challenge and now have to accept all onfield decisions. If you are right you retain it and can challenge again. You get one per half, and one in extra time if applicable.
Liverpool got bad decisions against them, but I agree, it’s so laughable.
Would be a farce if this is replayed and genuinely don't think it will but it would show how much people bent over for these cnuts all through the media hysterics. As said earlier anyone else Arsenal, City, Us (especially us!) Wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the level of sympathetic media coverage if at all.
Klopp's whigeing will now mean that every 50/50 decision for the rest of the season will go in Liverpool's favour. Clever from Klopp but He has always done this. Even when He was at Dortund every decision by a ref was contested and this type of petulence works. Liverpool have got decisons in their favour over the years. The arguing gives them an advantage in games. I'm sick of watching Liverpool players chasing Referees around the pitch arguing that opposition players should be booked. They get every advantage going from their antics. For once a decision went against them. Get over it!
Chelsea last season had a more egregious call last season where Dean admitted he saw something as a VAR but didn't tell Taylor because he was his mate. No talk of replys then.
There you go. Didn’t take long.
Amazing how all football must change when they are robbed. Bloody hell. They are really annoying bunch.
It's not clever at all. He's turned a credible defeat into making the entire club and team look like a bunch of pathetic crybabies. Now we know every time they run into any kind of difficulty, the toys are coming out of the pram. Doesn't tend to win you many games.
They won't get 50/50 decisions in their favour by drawing more attention to the officials, because there is VAR, and now every time a decision goes for them guess what every opposition manager is going to bring up.
I mean, he literally punched the ball away when it was heading into the goal. Weird thing to bring up. It would have been a massive controversy if they didn't give it. Especially if the excuse to not give it was it happened right at the end so was ok?
When did Ferguson ever demand a game get replayed because of a refereeing decision?
I don't even remember Mourinho being that ridiculous ad he wasn't afraid of playing the "it's a conspiracy" card.
Ferguson got to watch his team lose a league to Drogba just casually standing 2 metres offside and I don't remember him behaving how Klopp has.
I also reckon if United lost a game where they got two of their own players sent off for being idiots, and then scored the winning goal for the other team, Ferguson might be more concerned with sorting that out than crying about replaying the game.
This is more Wenger behaviour. Its not going to help you finish above City. It might help you finish a lot further below them, because they aren't going to go down to 9 men, score an own goal, and then act like that wasn't maybe why they didn't win a game
I also really don't think you want VAR cutting out all the errors. We know they go against you less than other teams now because this is the fecking ridiculous self serving fuss we get as soon as it happens to Liverpool.
This lot have been looking for special treatment for years. Didn't UEFA change rules for them to the detriment of Everton in 2005?
Yep. With all this crying and anger, every ref in PL will think twice to give decision against Liverpool.
Calm down skipper, seems like you the one no wanting to move on while giving crybaby vibes. Yes all teams get inept decisions go their way and because of this everyone needs to not whine and accept every decision... If you just stop for a moment and take off the bias lenses you would see quite clearly that maybe just maybe all the 'Whinning' Liverpool are doing will help fix the system because it's quite clear VAR is not going to get scrapped.
Sorry but can anyone explain why such a huge deal is being out of this? It’s fine to critique a system but what’s so special about one bad decision against Liverpool for the entire media to be turning it into the story of the frickin year?
Klopp wants the match replayed. Refereeing body apologising. Audio being released. Seems there’s one kind of treatment for this club and a different one for the rest.
Klopp wants the match replayed. Refereeing body apologising. Audio being released. Seems there’s one kind of treatment for this club and a different one for the rest.
This.
I think because it is a genuine error and not something subjective like handball or red card tackle.
If it was against United it wouldn't have gotten the sympathy but still a lot of coverage.
This is true. Offsides like goal line technology should be 100% accurate whether its the tech or procedure. Everyone on this site has agreed that VAR is ruining the game and now someone has dared to call out the league on the way things are done but because it’s Klopp it’s now a travesty. Var could not have continued down this path of fecking up big teams in big games. Maybe some good will come of this thanks to Klopp
This was a communication error more than anything. I don't see how they can be 100% accurate on offside decisions which have cms in them when you can't be sure in which frame the ball was passed.
Only thing to come out of this would we Liverpool getting favourable decisions in the future which is very bad for humanity.
The main reason is that Liverpool just won't let it go. They keep putting out a statement every other day, keeping this going. Then the media obviously want clicks, so they run with anything to do with this story. Like way before Klopp suggested a replay people on the caf were sharing some uncredible links about how a replay may be a possibility. They got a whole lot of clicks from the caf.
But also, like others have pointed out, this is not a usual error.
The analogy in previous times would be if the linesman put the flag up for offside just after the goal is scored and the ref asks him if he's sure it's offside. The linesman goes "yes" and the ref then goes "okay, goal stands", whistles, play starts and then he goes "wait, no I meant goal doesn't stand", followed by "welp! can't do anything now". If it happened to SAF, he'd make sure that guy never referees in England again.
Wasn't that for an infringement that happened before the whistle? Also the actual final whistle went after the penalty was taken.
because the season was literally over when it was revealed