The team cant be built around fellaini or mata though. To get the best out the team you need to build around the spine.
I'm just pointing out that no matter the result, or the reason for the result, people will chalk it up to whatever they feel like chalking it up to. If we win, well we were shit and didn't deserve it and it was a fluke and LVG out. If we lose and the other team fluked it, well we might have been the better team but we lost so LVG out. If we draw and don't concede for 10 games, LVG out. If we win 9-0, well it was only AFC Whocares so LVG out.
I'm happy we won but the performance worries me, is that an awful state of mind?
I dunno, maybe something relating to him being desperate to leave in the summer, being a completed bit of paperwork away from it happening, and not being able to get his "Head right" meaning we had to bench him for 6-7 games early on?
Not at all, I can understand that. It just amuses me the ease in which people pile on the blame and the reluctance at which people will give even the slightest credit to someone they don't like.
Got to agree with this.
De Gea wanted to leave because he wanted to play for RM I thought. He handled the whole thing with dignity, even after having his move snubbed he acted like a professional. Rooney held the club to ransom over a new contract. There is a difference IMO and even the fans quickly got back on Rooney's side when he started scoring again. On top of that De Gea has been great and Rooney was shite for the first half of the season. I guess it's easier for people to like you when you're performing.
How many times have we really been the better team this season? Dominating possession doesn't suffice. Even when the results were decent at the start of the season, the matches were very close and could have went either way.
That doesn't alter what I said though.
Yep granted, and I don't hold any disdain to him either, so was just musing how unusual that is.
He hardly praised him last year either which is why I was definitely not surprised he wanted to leave if his own manager overlooks everything he does (assuming Van Gaal in private didn't really praise him then either).
After that performance, what possible credit does van Gaal deserve? It was another terrible performance, where we our goal was the only shot we had on target. Even after the goal, when Liverpool were trying to get a late equaliser, we looked terrible trying to counter. I really don't know what to praise him for?
While that is true, most of the criticism of Van Gaal is based on the terrible attacking football, not the poor results, and this game changes nothing. Don't get me wrong, im always happy when we beat that lot, but that was some dreadful football on show.
But today there is nothing to credit LVG for, we were bad. He deserved credit for our performance against City, the organization was spot on we didn't won but it was a good collective performance, today we won but it was a bad collective performance.
I'm not gutted in the slightest.
You two sound especially gutted
You're basically saying that people have an agenda against Van Gaal and I asked for an example to back that statement up? As far as I can see, we have played poorly for nearly the entire season and have now run out of the luck we were getting at the beginning of it.
Exactly. LVG's tactics didn't win us that game. LVG's tactics barely kept it level, which sums him up.
I dont see anything odd in that at all, maybe he saw something in the lead up or setup that could be relayed to the players at training or maybe its reinforcing a point or training exercise. Some people will whine about the most bizarre things....
I don't believe I said he deserved praise today? I simply made an observation. For example, had the teams been switched around today, don't even try to tell me you'd be praising LVG and saying that we were unfortunate. Because you wouldn't have been. My point was that people make excuses when we win, and they lay on all the blame when we don't win but deserved to win.
I'm not whining at all. Just an odd time to write it down literally as everyone else jumps up in the air
Fair enough. I felt both teams were garbage. So, I won't be going around saying we didn't deserve to win as neither did Liverpool.
I suppose he doesn't want to say
He also before said : I don’t think David de Gea has done very much, two or three balls he has to stop, a goalkeeper has to do that. He is playing very good but you can not say he was a fantastic, marvelous goalkeeper today.
And all the best players in our spine are players who were already at the club. So if he's building that for the future he's shite at it too. He's built feck all so far and the problems that you seem to think are hampering him are mostly of his own doing.
If he had jumped in the air there would be posts in here saying 'look at him, celebrating because he knows he's clinging on to his job by his fingernails, bet he's relieved that he's still getting paid next month, not that his team are winning'.
If that was true the criticism would have been considerably less in december than in octobre.
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This is true, we are not progressing at all with our general play, but today was a lucky day, and I'm happy to take that right now.
