Well he does have a point. Gaz and Phil are still stuck at Valencia and without them Butt, Scholes and himself cannot summon captain planet
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enough is enough. the problem is not the results. of course, performance will have impact on results but we played more badly than the moyes' team
Well they still have Rio and Carrick is about the stage where he could be player-coach.
The are not the 92classiers
I'm not talking about net spend like some bullshit Liverpool fan, my point was that the 250 million was not a waste despite the shit football on display. Whoever replaces LvG can still work with the likes of Martial, Herrera, Memphis, Shaw, and Schneiderlin. Blind is the Dutch John O'Shea if you will, and is still a good squad player. Schweinsteiger might be over the hill but has valuable experience and presence.i point out 250 for the shit football add to that what DFM spent - 300m for this, and not having net spend bullshit.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. Please attempt to at least communicate more like an adult. Again, Chichartio was poor for us and for Real. His build up play is poor, while he is at his most effective as a goal poacher. It's highly doubtful that he would even have a meaningful contribution in our team when we are even struggling to get the ball into the opponent's 6 yard box. Using the sale of Chicharito to beat LvG with is meaninglesss.no replacement for chich so we have wiggy as 3rd choice get to feck! another
He was been known to play players out of position. His decision to played Schweinsteiger out of position turned into goal, as is the same with David Alaba. It's not only when he came to Man Utd he started playing players out of position.
Sir Alex himself is known to do this quite often. Remember Rafael in center mid?
Calm down dude. The only legit complaint you on this point is that LvG's substitutions made no sense.
If reports are to be believed (Ducker Times), then apparently Ed talked LvG out of quitting twice at over the Christmas period? Why in heck would he do that?
I agree with you on most points. With regards to the right back problem, while it was obvious LvG strongly prefers Valencia over Rafael for some reasons, he also acknowledges that this is a problem and got in Darmian.
You could argue that ADM could well turn out to be as effective as Arjen Robben was for Bayern, but he wasn't committed to us enough for us to find out.
Rooney... well LvG wasn't the first manager who thought that his combative approach to games could be harness from the center of midfield. Rooney is hardly setting the world alight in his forward role this season as well.
Playing Young in RB and Darmain is LB is a weird one though, and I agree fully on that. It's something along the line of "genius" if it works and "bonkers" if it doesn't.
In any case, putting players all over the pitch isn't exclusive to LvG. A certain Sir Alex does that often as well.
But again, I agree with you on most things that you mentioned.
He didn't want to sack 2 managers in 2 years.
Because board members are happy with van Gaal's work here. Even if he doesn't make top 4 this season (and he obviously won't), he will get another season because for some reason they are highly impressed with his work for the club.
He will probably have the next three matches as his 'final chance'. If he can get at least one 0-0 draw in them he will have zero reason go quit (like after Chelsea).
It wouldn't be sacking him if he quit plus in principle it would have been almost 3 years.
The sad thing is I think most of that is true.
Can't see how, we had David Gill (although not in a position of authority anymore) saying how we've underachieved considering the investment and our football is unattractive.
I know these journalists are known to make a lot of shit but I wouldn't be surprised if this one was true. He looked a completely broken man after the Stoke defeat; a man ready to walk away from his misery, but then the usual arrogance was back after the Chelsea draw. He definitely got a vote confidence from someone.
Moyes got fired on April 22 2014. If Van Gaal left on Christmas of 2015, that's like a year and 8 months.
If the points about SAF and SBC worrying about losing control are even remotely true, I think we would be best served by them no longer being part of the board. Maybe keep them on as ambassadors, but I also think it is time we didn't have such huge stalwarts trying to influence everything. Maybe get a proper DOF but we should not get into a situation where a potential manager gets undermined.
I agree to an extent but what we have seen this season - a collective, serious downturn of performances from everyone bar DDG, Smalling and Martial, suggests deeper fundamental flaws in the way the squad is conditioned, the manager's instructions and the general way thesquad is being run. Every new signing, bar Martial, is arguably playing worse than he did at his previous club whilst the players we already had are getting progressively worse even though he deserves credit for salvaging Young's United career.
All in all we can say that his attempts to force his methods on the squad instead of adjusting his methods to his squad's strengths and limitations. Being asked to consistently do something beyond your capabilities or that neuters your key strengths is bound to frustrate and that will, in turn, affect the player mentally and once he is disillusioned then that player could be lost forever.
If it is, and I've read all of that before, then we are in some epic trouble.
Jesus Christ. As if Monday mornings agent bad enough as it is. If this is true he needs to follow him out the door.
I just think we are trying to buy time now, if Giggs is appointed the whole backroom staff need changing which takes a while. I think he is waiting till summer to bring in a whole coaching and managerial team.
Yeah but Gill isn't Woodward. Woodward's stance might be completely different.
Find it hard to believe anyone on the board would actually be happy with what's happening right now. Being unhappy and sacking the manager are two different things though.
So much heartbreak. This United side barely resembles a top flight team with ambitions for success. The players play terrible football and have an even worse attitude. There is no passion, fight or bite in them. They all seem content with picking up their wages irrespective of the results or performances.
Bloody mercenaries the lot of them.
We could do with a bit of Roy Keane at the club to instill a sense of what should be expected of a United player.
To make matters worse, they then do the mandatory post match interviews with rehearsed scripts devoid of any emotional comprehension of the crap they have been serving us.
Bloody mercenaries the lot of them.
We could do with a bit of Roy Keane at the club to instill a sense of what should be expected of a United player.
To make matters worse, they then do the mandatory post match interviews with rehearsed scripts devoid of any emotional comprehension of the crap they have been serving us.
Maybe the board are waiting for us to be humiliated by Derby in the FA Cup and for top 4 to me mathematically impossible.
Welcome to the Business world of Football in 2016.
But he's the most important one and will likely get the final vote. I am literally trying to find a reason why we kept van Gaal beyond December or why we deemed a 0-0 home draw to Chelsea and a scrappy 2-1 win over one of the worst teams in the division as job saving results.
Because Woodward wants to look back on this time and say...yeah, you were all calling for his head, but I stuck by him and he prevailed (holding onto a dream that will never happen, cause LvG is crap). Sadly he's that blinkered and in love with history repeating itself, that it's stopping him from acting competently. For me there is no other reason and any other top club would have had him out long before now.
Just like LvG loves playing players out of position to look like a genius.
You do wonder, there are too many stories all along the same line now.
It aint happening. Fully expect another 'has anyone not a feeling' in the next press conference.
If it does then give it to Warren Joyce until the end of the season not Giggs.
If it does then give it to Warren Joyce until the end of the season not Giggs.
I want to know who is Ed's Terry McCann, who at the club gets him out of the trouble he creates?
If he's not sacked by end of today then we really have become a joke of a club.
Transition into Liverpool begins in earnest.
Transition into Liverpool begins in earnest.
Is he gone yet? Or has Ed fecking Woodward talked him out of resigning again?
Seriously, Woodward has been getting away with a lot, the glorified salesman.
Seriously, Woodward has been getting away with a lot, the glorified salesman.
When journalists have articulated on why the board has backed Van Gaal so far, they usually say something along the lines of them being impressed with Van Gaal's structural changes off the pitch, for example making normally closed-off departments transparent to each other.
This kind of gels with what we heard about LvG before he arrived - that he's a 'foundation builder' - so I'd lean towards that explanation rather than the board being somehow okay with recent results.
This is it, folks. Today's the day. Everybody get your hopes up.
The SAF/SBC power struggle stuff is all absolute nonsense.
I'm sure they want to retain influence but in terms of power they have none. Only Woodward, the Glazers and possibly Richard Arnold have power. While they might respect SAF/SBC's opinions they certainly don't have to pay attention to them. I seriously doubt either of them attend board meetings anyway. Same goes for David Gill.
I'm sure they want to retain influence but in terms of power they have none. Only Woodward, the Glazers and possibly Richard Arnold have power. While they might respect SAF/SBC's opinions they certainly don't have to pay attention to them. I seriously doubt either of them attend board meetings anyway. Same goes for David Gill.
It's absolutely mental if Ferguson and Charlton have any influence at all over our managerial appointments given how much of a disaster Moyes was. He was their choice and Ferguson at least still refuses to accept that he got it wrong.
This exactly
I can see why he did it to be honest. I doubt anyone on the board envisaged us doing this badly and there has to be reservations about giving the job to Giggs at the moment so it's an absolute clusterfeck of a situation. It's gone too far now though, Woody has to bite the bullet and make a big decision.
I agree. We have about two-three games to save our season. If we drop further behind top 4 it's done and with van Gaal we will.
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