Fletcher has played 3 90 minutes on this tour and played the game 2 days ago full 90.
Dunno why he is starting this.
LVG clearly doesn't trust Cleverley.
Dunno why he is starting this.
LVG clearly doesn't trust Cleverley.
Manchester United vs Liverpool
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Totally evident we need a CB that doesn't shit himself when he has to play a pass forwards.
Shaw has to up his game if he wants to own that left wb.. I know he is learning the role but something seem amiss..
Good: de gea . Young , mata, rooney , herrera .
Oh, and Hernandez has been atrocious. Can't believe the superlatives Barney used to describe him 
Tbf, he's been more dynamic than Mata this tour. I think he would do wonders for us in this game.
Young has been whipping them crosses in like it's nobody's business. Shaw looking quality as well. The rest dogshite. Hope LvG gives them a bollocking at this moment.
I really dont think hernandez suits this system or LvG's style at all. Its a shame because there was a time where he seemed like he was making some strides on his role on the ball in build up play and passing but that seems to have dissapeared.
Fletcher struggling with intensity and liverpool have been very good going forward using pace to attack the defence.
Think gerrard has been pretty poor and could be a liability in that dm position. Gives away alot of free kicks.
Fletcher struggling with intensity and liverpool have been very good going forward using pace to attack the defence.
Think gerrard has been pretty poor and could be a liability in that dm position. Gives away alot of free kicks.
Trouble is, when you have Skirtel, Sakho going up against Rooney and Hernandez; the crossing game becomes a bit hit and hope. Unless we want to just play like we did under Moyes, whack loads of crosses in and hope that sooner or later someone will knock one in.
Seems to be happening a lot. Keep making the wrong decisions in the final third- playing the wrong pass, or shooting from distance when we have better options.
In defence we look very uncomfortable when Liverpool press us, if Liverpool can continue their high press they will win this game.
Defense crap. We give away one more stupid penalty. Chicha crap. Rooney trying to shoot all the time. Herrera and fletcher not doing their job right. Shaw is the only one getting the ball upfield with the ball in his feet. Hopefuly van Gaal sees that we need defenders and one more midfielder.
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Began very badly, grew as the half went on but all in all we should be better. No penetration, players making difficult passes to each other and few brain farts in defense. Liverpool is very well organised tbh and their pressing is making it difficult for us.
Fletcher had a mare and when his passes were finally accurate all he has done was backward passing. We need a midfielder and need it badly.
Chicharito has been dire also.
Fletcher had a mare and when his passes were finally accurate all he has done was backward passing. We need a midfielder and need it badly.
Chicharito has been dire also.
Fletcher was alright the last 10 or so minutes. No idea what was with him and the back 3 in the opening 15-20 though, looked like they never touched a football before.
Shaw has been good, same with young. Hernandez a bit useless, should have scored.
Shaw has been good, same with young. Hernandez a bit useless, should have scored.
Not great ...
not doing enough to get mata in the game or in good positions.
Hererra has been a bit dissapointing.
Fletcher and young have been good, our best players imo. Never in a million years thought i'd be saying that.
EDIT:
Missed the first 10/20 mins so maybe not in fletchers case?
not doing enough to get mata in the game or in good positions.
Hererra has been a bit dissapointing.
Fletcher and young have been good, our best players imo. Never in a million years thought i'd be saying that.
EDIT:
Missed the first 10/20 mins so maybe not in fletchers case?
We are passing the ball WAY too slow. Because of Liverpool's pressing we'll never get anywhere without playing faster. And even when we do link up a few passes, we end up passing it backwards or Rooney sprays it out wide ; rinse and repeat. There's noone in this team that can run past players, or add a bit of dynamism to our attack. We've always struggled against pressing teams, and looks like we still need a lot more work with LvG to change that.
Welbeck is a big miss today.
Welbeck is a big miss today.
River, someone, please!!!!
Had bad Mexican for lunch.
Shaw, Young and Herrera has been very good.
Rooney need to play the ball faster he is taking far to many touches.
Jones, Evans, Smalling and Fletcher have been awful.
Rooney need to play the ball faster he is taking far to many touches.
Jones, Evans, Smalling and Fletcher have been awful.
shows how desprate we are for a defesive midfielder with pace!
We've created absolutely nothing up front apart from the cross that Hernandez had on a plate and Welbecks energy up front and in midfield is sorely missed
Fletcher looks like he is not able for 2 games in 2 days which does not bode well
Coutinho, Gerrard and Henderson are dominating central mid
LVG might be thinking after all to get the check book out again after tonight
I can't see how we are gonna score as Sakho is twice as good as any of our defenders and he's having the easiest game of his life against our forwards
Fletcher looks like he is not able for 2 games in 2 days which does not bode well
Coutinho, Gerrard and Henderson are dominating central mid
LVG might be thinking after all to get the check book out again after tonight
I can't see how we are gonna score as Sakho is twice as good as any of our defenders and he's having the easiest game of his life against our forwards
Could also easily be 2-0.
Sterling may be an annoying prick but everytime he runs at our defence we look extremely nervy and vulnerable...
I'm really delighted that we are seeing united get such a test. I'm not saying I want to lose but we can learn more from this game that any other this far...
I'm really delighted that we are seeing united get such a test. I'm not saying I want to lose but we can learn more from this game that any other this far...
Funny how people are moaning about Rooney switching play now that we're losing. He's been doing that in every game so far and no one has moaned. When used correctly, which it has, it creates a lot of room for the wing back to either go at the full back and put in a cross, or work it back in the middle.
Chicharito needs service to perform. Another reason why Welbeck is so much better suited for us.Oh, and Hernandez has been atrocious. Can't believe the superlatives Barney used to describe him
I'd say he's been our best player.
The back 3 need to look up and forward for their passes and stop wasting time and energy passing it between each other. Evans looks like he hasn't warmed up today. Luke Shaw looks too conservative in his play. Rooney needs to go to rehab for that long ball addiction.
Hernandez out, Rooney pushing higher forward and Kagawa in to play behind him. That's how the attacking setup should change IMHO.
whenever I soeak of Hernandez's limited style, his Mexican fanboys jump on me, he is creating nothing and not taking any of the chances he is supposed to out there.
He is a quality player, but at this level he needs to offer a lot more than the occasional poach
He is a quality player, but at this level he needs to offer a lot more than the occasional poach
To be fair to LFC, Sakho/Skrtl have been really good, not given the forwards a sniff.
Then their gameplan reminds me massively of Rafa's Pool: Contain, contain, contain. And have one incredible talent with the ball (then Torres, now Sterling) who you hope will create. That's pretty much all they've offered.
Rickie Lambert is just a defender on the halfway line.
Then their gameplan reminds me massively of Rafa's Pool: Contain, contain, contain. And have one incredible talent with the ball (then Torres, now Sterling) who you hope will create. That's pretty much all they've offered.
Rickie Lambert is just a defender on the halfway line.
Chicharito is only a poacher & has been nowhere in the box when it mattered. Then he defended brilliantly to prevent Liverpool from conceding after 5 mins.
Welbeck's twice the footballer that lad is. He offers nothing to the team apart from tap-ins & even at that - he misses way more than he scores these days for club & country..
Young has been great again. Herrera, Shaw and Mata playing well also. The rest have underperformed. Hernandez hasn't offered much today. Wayne has been very poor, not getting involved enough, poor positioning and a lack of shooting from him. Fletcher having a bad game, though he has done better as the game has gone on. All of the cbs have been poor, with Evans being the best of them, but still not exactly covering himself in glory. Jones made a ridiculous tackle for the penalty and has looked shaky today. Smalling's distribution and first touch have been very poor. Big improvement necessary in 2nd half. Interested to see how Van Gaal deals with being behind here.
Hmmm interesting half, a few positives...
+ Ashley Young has been fantastic (something I never though I'd write) Looks a lot better defeinsively then I expected too
+ Shaw is looking very very good. So strong defeinsively
+ Mata is amazing on the ball
However...
- We seemed to shit ourselves a bit after they scored and for the next 10 minutes reverted back to the zombie football we've seen for the last few years. Luckily we snapped out of it though and seemed to remember that we now pass the ball
- Evans needs to stop hoofing it
- Still not convinced with this back line at all. They shit themselves under any sort of pressure
- Hernandez kills everything up top on this formation
- Fletch has looked well off the pace again, which is such a shame after the other day. Maybe one game too much for him after so long out?
+ Ashley Young has been fantastic (something I never though I'd write) Looks a lot better defeinsively then I expected too
+ Shaw is looking very very good. So strong defeinsively
+ Mata is amazing on the ball
However...
- We seemed to shit ourselves a bit after they scored and for the next 10 minutes reverted back to the zombie football we've seen for the last few years. Luckily we snapped out of it though and seemed to remember that we now pass the ball
- Evans needs to stop hoofing it
- Still not convinced with this back line at all. They shit themselves under any sort of pressure
- Hernandez kills everything up top on this formation
- Fletch has looked well off the pace again, which is such a shame after the other day. Maybe one game too much for him after so long out?
You know Tyler Blackett has a good shout at making it and his passing and composure is immaculate.
Just watching this match, it's dawned on me that Liverpool have still got quite a few number of new players they've brought in too to come into the squad. It's quite silly how all the other big clubs have identified who they want early and either got them or found replacements and brought them in. The team that needed improvements the most bought a player that no one else wanted for £27m and triggered a release clause for a midfielder they wanted a year ago. If we don't get anyone in the next week, ready for the start of the PL season, it's been another shambles of a transfer window imo.
Passing just needs to tighten up a bit, need to get Mata more involved.
Play him in a position, give him the right tactics & make him an important part of the team & he becomes that talented player that most United fans have forgotten!
Van Gaal will bring the best out in some of our players with his methods.
Hernandez has offered nothing so far. Midfield and Defence has been poor.
We need to buy AT LEAST 2 new center backs. This is a terrible defense.
Young was very good. I thought he did well against Sterling too defensively and offensively he played some very good crosses.
Hopefully we step up in the second half. Rooney's game is like watching replay, playing crossfield pass to RWB every single tme.
Hopefully we step up in the second half. Rooney's game is like watching replay, playing crossfield pass to RWB every single tme.
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