His purple patch carried us last season but the consensus to sell him rather than give him a huge new contract wasn't far from the mark.
10
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 40
- Goals
- 8
- Assists
- 5
- Yellow cards
- 2
- Red cards
- 1
Thinks he is Ronaldo with his selfishness. Capable of so much more if he can drop his ego down a peg or two.
Too inconsistent to build a team around, which we’re bending over backwards to do. There is enough evidence at this stage after 7 seasons that he isn’t going to be THAT guy. Nani comparisons are valid, would be a fine addition in an already decent side but his decision making is too poor to rely upon every week. We knew this a long time ago too but people get overly soft on him.
“Would be a fine addition in an already decent side.”
Then make the rest of the fecking side decent then. Else we will be lambasting the next player we bring in to carry the team
Players like Martinelli and Saka are actually as inconsistent as he is.
He honestly needs to be benched to prove a point.
He’s not playing for the team, he’s playing for himself and he’s nowhere near good enough to pull it off.
He’s not playing for the team, he’s playing for himself and he’s nowhere near good enough to pull it off.
He's become a bit of an overused, predictable crutch for us at times. Get the ball to rashford as soon as you win it back and leave him to it. Not a great start to the season for everything off the ball and hasn't found his scoring touch so our one plan hasn't worked basically.
His off the ball work was mostly hopeless but for going forward I'm not sure how harsh to be. No one else in the team is going to be doing much ball carrying with bruno and eriksen backing him up (mctominay was mia yesterday). He could have and should have used Hojlund more but im willing to write that off as growing pains and being a bit selfish. He still got down the line and put a couple of good balls in.
Long term hes a hard player to build something coherent around and hes not good enough to single handed carry us to meaningful trophies. Its a bit of give and take needed, we need to rely on him less and use others more and he needs to be more patient and selective with how he uses the ball (and do much more off the ball).
His off the ball work was mostly hopeless but for going forward I'm not sure how harsh to be. No one else in the team is going to be doing much ball carrying with bruno and eriksen backing him up (mctominay was mia yesterday). He could have and should have used Hojlund more but im willing to write that off as growing pains and being a bit selfish. He still got down the line and put a couple of good balls in.
Long term hes a hard player to build something coherent around and hes not good enough to single handed carry us to meaningful trophies. Its a bit of give and take needed, we need to rely on him less and use others more and he needs to be more patient and selective with how he uses the ball (and do much more off the ball).
Dangerous but so fecking selfish. Idiot.
He plays football on his own. His interest in playing for team arises on a needs must basis. Whether that’s on the ball and he just isn’t able to get a shot away or off the ball when he can no longer half heartedly stroll. Even the good players we have are so deeply flawed.
He’s a bluffer. We are going nowhere with him in the team. He’s a bigger problem for me than Bruno atleast Bruno works his socks off. He meanwhile trots around like mbappe. Any tactics any pressing system will go to shit as long as he plays. He’s the single biggest reason we will always be a transitioning team. I hate the way we play just to accommodate him and make sure his limited strengths are utilised.
People on here thinking certain opposing players put in 9/10 performances consistently.
Rashford isn't even inconsistent. He had 1 awful season(a season in which everyone was awful).
He had 2 good seasons before that and another good season last season.
Does he have his flaws? Yes he does. He should work harder off the ball, but we've got other issues that are more pressing.
I share the same sentiment. I would sell him tomorrow if I could but I have accepted he’ll retire here and I would be shocked if we win anything major while he’s our starboy.
Wide players are inconsistent and I think it’s unfair to pile on him for that. Luckily he has goals in his game to balance it out but his inability to be creative for others is a problem.
Too selfish and one dimensional to warrant his status at the club. He is a problem the club will never address.
Too selfish and one dimensional to warrant his status at the club. He is a problem the club will never address.
Even my girlfriend who has zero knowledge of football asked me "why is that No. 10 shirt guy so selfish and lazy" during the game
I don't often comment on Rashford, for better or worse, because I think he's one of the biggest casualties of the clubs' incompetence throughout his tenure as a professional. He lost so much key, formative development because of our atrocious coaching and lack of duty of care to those youngsters who were coming through post-LVG and what we see in his game is a byproduct of that, again, for better or worse.
If you break it down, he plays like youth player, for better or worse (noticing a theme yet? You should be!) and so much of what he does wrong would have been eradicated from his game at other clubs, in the formative years it should have been dealt with. Instead, we've encouraged his whole game, warts and all because when it works out, he's the hero ball player we've come to rely on for practically all of our successful games and periods where no cohesive football or structure has been put in place. I find it rather futile to chide the player for doing what he has been encouraged to do and especially for what was never coached out of him. This is what happens when your club infrastructure is a shambles; very, very few players who come through your academy are going to be rounded out and complete, because they were not given the full formal education of their peers.
Pep would have Clockwork Orange'd Rashford before even allowing him to be a permanent fixture in any side of his; Klopp would have pointed toward Salah and said, this is your bar, if he can do what I ask, you better, too. It's not particularly deep and these are the seeds we've sewn. Ole almost breaking the player and having his career curtailed also adds an additional layer of complexity in that Rashford served his dues to the club by putting his body on the line when at better managed clubs that would never have been allowed to happen. So many things are resultant in the player we see.
It's easy to say you should have those wits about you as a player to not constantly make the same errors and failings in judgement and assessment, but that belies what being educated, in any field, is. In times of crisis, what you have, or have not, been taught is what you fall back on; most layers of paint coaches try to add after the fact are immediately lost at these points. Your formal conditioning and education is what you revert back to - in times of stress and dire straits, Rashford becomes even more of a hero ball player, not less; it's not just greed or ignorance, even if that plays a part.
As a player, Rashford will always have had far more praise and merit for scoring and playing how he does (as long as it resulted in goals) than he would have been told off or given corrective address despite scoring. We already know for a fact that if you don't adhere to what Pep wants, you don't play - even a storied striker like Aguero had to get with that program, and he was less selfish than Rashford. The same again goes for Klopp who, for as long as he has him, only needs to point to Salah to say this is what you, as a lesser forward, are dutybound to match the bar of. There's a very simple fact here, at Manchester United, if Rashford hadn't scored all those goals across so many seasons, we would have been absolutely fecked; it means our co-dependence on his goals has facilitated his game as it is, for better or worse. You can't give a player mixed messages about 'team' and 'collective' when you, for so long, have relied on him as an individual effectively playing outside of the team and doing what he feels instinctively is right. You also can't expect considered action and instinctive action to just mesh; one is a byproduct of intense coaching and reputation, the other is impulse and in the moment... do we as a 'team' ever look like the byproduct of intense coaching and drills? You can't put that on Rashford that we don't despite him being a cog in the misfiring machine that prevents us from ever really looking like a team.
You can liken this version of Rashford to someone like Daniel Sturridge. He too, had a very erratic formal development that essentially left him as an incomplete forward who mostly played for himself and not the team. Sturridge was shown the light by Klopp and produced the best football of his career in a cohesive attacking trio that he contributed to in the most selfless period of his entire career. We've seen glimpses of Rashford the team player during Martial's best periods - the two of them fired off combination passes like an intuitive unit. It's about the only time - and the only player - we've got to see what Rashford could be about on a permanent basis with. I very much doubt that synergy had much to do with coaching, rather than that effortless bonding some players strike up with another. Just as Rashford is now, he was playing then on impulse and not looking for Martial per se. We have to hope something similar can be struck up between Hojlund and Rashford, but I very much doubt it'll be organically coached.
The curious case of Rashford is not so curious, in my opinion. The onus should be on developing the rest of the attack to be able to stand up in its own right. Rashford is what he is, which, to me, is mostly a maverick player who is going to drift in and out of games, as he has always been allowed to do. If it was working, we'd be concerned, but focus would still be on the more broken parts of the team, however, at the moment, we have a Poundland Ronaldo out there trying to affect games, and we already know how detrimental that is. I don't know whether it/he is fixable (I don't think it is, personally), but the coaching staff have to try and get it through to the player that, but for better decision making, he could have come away from this game with a hattrick of assists and possibly a goal... give Rashford some vids of Henry to study and tell him the merit (and glory) he seeks is there for him if he'd try and emulate someone who accrued individual as well as team accolades by being aware goals can be amassed alongside assists rather than instead of, like Rashford seems to think..
If you break it down, he plays like youth player, for better or worse (noticing a theme yet? You should be!) and so much of what he does wrong would have been eradicated from his game at other clubs, in the formative years it should have been dealt with. Instead, we've encouraged his whole game, warts and all because when it works out, he's the hero ball player we've come to rely on for practically all of our successful games and periods where no cohesive football or structure has been put in place. I find it rather futile to chide the player for doing what he has been encouraged to do and especially for what was never coached out of him. This is what happens when your club infrastructure is a shambles; very, very few players who come through your academy are going to be rounded out and complete, because they were not given the full formal education of their peers.
Pep would have Clockwork Orange'd Rashford before even allowing him to be a permanent fixture in any side of his; Klopp would have pointed toward Salah and said, this is your bar, if he can do what I ask, you better, too. It's not particularly deep and these are the seeds we've sewn. Ole almost breaking the player and having his career curtailed also adds an additional layer of complexity in that Rashford served his dues to the club by putting his body on the line when at better managed clubs that would never have been allowed to happen. So many things are resultant in the player we see.
It's easy to say you should have those wits about you as a player to not constantly make the same errors and failings in judgement and assessment, but that belies what being educated, in any field, is. In times of crisis, what you have, or have not, been taught is what you fall back on; most layers of paint coaches try to add after the fact are immediately lost at these points. Your formal conditioning and education is what you revert back to - in times of stress and dire straits, Rashford becomes even more of a hero ball player, not less; it's not just greed or ignorance, even if that plays a part.
As a player, Rashford will always have had far more praise and merit for scoring and playing how he does (as long as it resulted in goals) than he would have been told off or given corrective address despite scoring. We already know for a fact that if you don't adhere to what Pep wants, you don't play - even a storied striker like Aguero had to get with that program, and he was less selfish than Rashford. The same again goes for Klopp who, for as long as he has him, only needs to point to Salah to say this is what you, as a lesser forward, are dutybound to match the bar of. There's a very simple fact here, at Manchester United, if Rashford hadn't scored all those goals across so many seasons, we would have been absolutely fecked; it means our co-dependence on his goals has facilitated his game as it is, for better or worse. You can't give a player mixed messages about 'team' and 'collective' when you, for so long, have relied on him as an individual effectively playing outside of the team and doing what he feels instinctively is right. You also can't expect considered action and instinctive action to just mesh; one is a byproduct of intense coaching and reputation, the other is impulse and in the moment... do we as a 'team' ever look like the byproduct of intense coaching and drills? You can't put that on Rashford that we don't despite him being a cog in the misfiring machine that prevents us from ever really looking like a team.
You can liken this version of Rashford to someone like Daniel Sturridge. He too, had a very erratic formal development that essentially left him as an incomplete forward who mostly played for himself and not the team. Sturridge was shown the light by Klopp and produced the best football of his career in a cohesive attacking trio that he contributed to in the most selfless period of his entire career. We've seen glimpses of Rashford the team player during Martial's best periods - the two of them fired off combination passes like an intuitive unit. It's about the only time - and the only player - we've got to see what Rashford could be about on a permanent basis with. I very much doubt that synergy had much to do with coaching, rather than that effortless bonding some players strike up with another. Just as Rashford is now, he was playing then on impulse and not looking for Martial per se. We have to hope something similar can be struck up between Hojlund and Rashford, but I very much doubt it'll be organically coached.
The curious case of Rashford is not so curious, in my opinion. The onus should be on developing the rest of the attack to be able to stand up in its own right. Rashford is what he is, which, to me, is mostly a maverick player who is going to drift in and out of games, as he has always been allowed to do. If it was working, we'd be concerned, but focus would still be on the more broken parts of the team, however, at the moment, we have a Poundland Ronaldo out there trying to affect games, and we already know how detrimental that is. I don't know whether it/he is fixable (I don't think it is, personally), but the coaching staff have to try and get it through to the player that, but for better decision making, he could have come away from this game with a hattrick of assists and possibly a goal... give Rashford some vids of Henry to study and tell him the merit (and glory) he seeks is there for him if he'd try and emulate someone who accrued individual as well as team accolades by being aware goals can be amassed alongside assists rather than instead of, like Rashford seems to think..
Good post. Though I personally don’t rate Rashford but can’t disagree with the points you made.
@Fortitude What a great post. Hard to disagree with anything as far as I'm concerned
This guy only plays for himself. Last game against Arsenal, he pussied out of a challenge for the third goal. Today, his jog cum walk press for Brighton's first is embarassing. Either he believes he is someone on Mbappe or prime Messi level or he is just a coward, playing to protect himself from an injury.
Actually, you're wrong. Sancho created 44, despite playing much less. Antony created only 2 less than Rashford. Dalot created 29, and Casemiro 28. Shaw created 34 and Fred 30.
That's Sancho, Eriksen, Bruno, Shaw ahead of him. He's pretty much equal to Fred, Dalot, Casemiro (who is a CDM ffs) and Antony.
Embarrassing for our "star" player.
Nice post, fella.
Explain what is wrong in that post. You probably can't so you resort to comments that demonstrate your poor insight and knowledge.
If Sancho is a lazy bum behind the scene, I don't know what they call "Rashford's pressing" during training, 'summer jog on the beach'?
My bird couldn’t care less about football and even notices it herself,
When Mourinho tried to drill some of these things into it he was bullying him apparently, he never jogged around like he does these days under Jose. Cause he knew he wouldn’t getaway with it, Jose told us all he wasn’t a 9 and got abused for playing him out wide. Something that we’ve all accepted now, you reap what you sow
He played a lot as a left winger, as well. So if it's nonsense, what about the season before where he created 9 chances? That is rank 251, behind Elanga as well. What is the reason for that?
The last seasons he has regressed massively in terms of creating and become greedier and much less of a team player. That is a fact, and hiding behind "his job isn't to create, it's to score" is just silly. So he can't lift his head up to make a simple pass to his team mate when it's more likely to be a goal than shooting himself?
Yeah but they press and track back. Rashford jogs at opponents and slows down if he gets close so he doesn't have to attempt a tackle.
I saw this on twitter about the Rashford vs Ronaldo.
source @Martienball
Interesting read.
Double Standards: Ronaldo vs Rashford
⏤ “Yes, Ronaldo is scoring goals but he is holding back the development of young players”
⏤ “Yes, Ronaldo is scoring goals but he doesn't press and modern football requires pressing”
⏤ “Yes, Ronaldo is scoring goals but he doesn't track back”
⏤ “Ronaldo is not the right player for Ten Hag because he can't help in the build-up”
⏤ Constantly bringing up his 500k salary in every argument
Now let me ask you something:
Does Rashford press? No.
Does Rashford track back? No.
Does Rashford help in the build-up? No.
Is Rashford the highest earner at the club? YES.
You all demanded pressing and tracking back from a 37-year-old player, but now you're not demanding it from a 25-year-old player.
Apparently, modern football doesn’t require pressing anymore... now it's “the manager's approach not to press”.
You all kept talking about Ronaldo's salary, but you're not even talking about it now that Rashford is the highest earner at the club.
It’s a BIG problem if the team “needs to play” for Ronaldo (a target man) but it’s not a problem at all when the whole starting IX needs to be organized to accommodate Rashford to play in his favorite position.
Can’t play as a RW, can’t play as a CF, can’t track back, can’t press, can’t claim long balls, can’t hold the ball, can’t score headers, can’t score with his weaker foot, terrible decision-making, and bad awareness on the pitch.
I remember someone was called “a problem” for way less than this.
This fanbase is hilarious with their double standards.
I guess if you're Manc born and bred you get away with literally everything
source @Martienball
Interesting read.
Double Standards: Ronaldo vs Rashford
⏤ “Yes, Ronaldo is scoring goals but he is holding back the development of young players”
⏤ “Yes, Ronaldo is scoring goals but he doesn't press and modern football requires pressing”
⏤ “Yes, Ronaldo is scoring goals but he doesn't track back”
⏤ “Ronaldo is not the right player for Ten Hag because he can't help in the build-up”
⏤ Constantly bringing up his 500k salary in every argument
Now let me ask you something:
Does Rashford press? No.
Does Rashford track back? No.
Does Rashford help in the build-up? No.
Is Rashford the highest earner at the club? YES.
You all demanded pressing and tracking back from a 37-year-old player, but now you're not demanding it from a 25-year-old player.
Apparently, modern football doesn’t require pressing anymore... now it's “the manager's approach not to press”.
You all kept talking about Ronaldo's salary, but you're not even talking about it now that Rashford is the highest earner at the club.
It’s a BIG problem if the team “needs to play” for Ronaldo (a target man) but it’s not a problem at all when the whole starting IX needs to be organized to accommodate Rashford to play in his favorite position.
Can’t play as a RW, can’t play as a CF, can’t track back, can’t press, can’t claim long balls, can’t hold the ball, can’t score headers, can’t score with his weaker foot, terrible decision-making, and bad awareness on the pitch.
I remember someone was called “a problem” for way less than this.
This fanbase is hilarious with their double standards.
I guess if you're Manc born and bred you get away with literally everything
Couldn’t lift it over right ?
had to take the ball out of play
all he does is try and create for himself at the minute and ifthere is nothing else on, then that’s when he passes
He reminds me of Ronaldo at Madrid. As brilliant as he was, it required the whole team to be adjusted to him. When Madrid was attacking, Ronaldo used to do some stepovers and if the opportunity to run with the ball didn't arise, he would just pass it to defenders and go back to starting position. You very rarely saw him do anything in the buildup (even 1-2s), and you never saw him do anything off the ball.
Madrid got very lucky with Benzema as he needed to adjust his game to accommodate for Ronaldo, and he did it amazingly well.
Madrid got very lucky with Benzema as he needed to adjust his game to accommodate for Ronaldo, and he did it amazingly well.
Finally seems like a lot of this forum has finally seen through this fraud. A moment's player who if he doesn't have moments doesn't contribute anything to the team.
I wish I had the time and know how to go back and clip his lazy attitude which has been costing us games for years, and compile it into a video. This lazy lack of work rate and pressing isn't new, he has done it since Mourinho was here! I find it amazing how when we all presumably all watch the games, this is only really coming to light now.
We would be much better with someone who scored and assisted a lot less than Rashford BUT who worked hard for the team and actually passed.
I wish I had the time and know how to go back and clip his lazy attitude which has been costing us games for years, and compile it into a video. This lazy lack of work rate and pressing isn't new, he has done it since Mourinho was here! I find it amazing how when we all presumably all watch the games, this is only really coming to light now.
We would be much better with someone who scored and assisted a lot less than Rashford BUT who worked hard for the team and actually passed.
He reminds you of Ronaldo at Madrid? He is not even 10% of what Ronaldo was at Madrid.
How much money would it take you to agree with a Rashford sale?
For me, £100m and.confidence we would use the money well and could go. I honestly think the team would be better without him.
For me, £100m and.confidence we would use the money well and could go. I honestly think the team would be better without him.
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The man behind him had all the space in the world. So much could have been done with that chance.
Fun fact is when the ball was played to Rashford, I knew he would make a meal out of it.
Sums up my thoughts nicely. The amount of times I see players run 2-3 yards past him and he doesn't even put in the effort of pressing them is too high.
I think him becoming the star man after last year, coupled with the fact that his best mates are Lingard and Sancho, that should tell you already quiete a bit the work ethic he has. As they say: You are the sum average of the 5 closest people you spend your time with.
Fairly certain that SAF wouldn't tolerate his attitude. Everyone was expected to run their socks off in his teams, well everyone except Cantona and Ronaldo.
This. He strolls around the park like he's prime Ronaldo or Messi but talent wise he doesnt even fit to lace their boots. He plays for himself all the time. He isnt as good as he think he is. Mbappe can stroll around but thats Mbappe for you and Rashford doesnt even have half of Mbappe's talent. The only reason people here persist with him is he's a local lad making it through the academy. If his name is Rashfordinho and he hails from Brazil people will label him as typical lazy south american flair player
Different sides of the pitch but I’d take Saka over him any day.
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This alone should result in him being on the bench next game. Ten Hag has set the standards.
He was the only one looking dangerous yesterday but his off the ball work is Ronaldo esque bad. Unacceptable really. How are you going to build a pressing machine with players like that?
Nobody ever wanted to hear it when it came to Rashford. Instead he was championed by fans and the club alike. You get what you deserve in the end.
If he looked up occasionally he'd be a much more effective player. If he worked harder he'd be more useful.
These really aren't high bars.
These really aren't high bars.