SteveW
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No, we want Longstaff so Newcastle should sell him to us for a price we consider fair.Obviously. I was drawing a parallel with another inexperienced youngster who we want.
No, we want Longstaff so Newcastle should sell him to us for a price we consider fair.Obviously. I was drawing a parallel with another inexperienced youngster who we want.
In Rooney's first couple of seasons he absolutely was better than Ronaldo, he was far more consistent and won us more games than Ronaldo did. Injuries, and then being rushed back from injuries, did a lot of harm to his acceleration and agility. It's not really a controversial idea that part of the reason for this was playing too many games when he was very young.Rooney was never better than Ronaldo. Ever.
Ronaldo was always capable of things Rooney couldn’t even dream of.
People loved Rooney’s “passion”, strength, and the way he fought with grown men and more often than not came on top, good eye for a goal too, but Ronaldo always had the X factor.
No, we want Longstaff so Newcastle should sell him to us for a price we consider fair.
Owen would have been a better example. He also clearly did reach his potential, top scorer for England and United is an unbelievable achievement. It just didn't last as long as other players. Cristiano is a phenomenon, but look at Ronaldinho who was only at his peak between the ages of 23 to about 26/27, or Brazilian Ronaldo who dropped off immensely at about 29.He was better than Ronaldo when they were 18/19. As good as he was, he clearly didn't reach his potential considering he was completely finished by the age of 30.
Wring end of the stick, my bad.Obviously. I was drawing a parallel with another inexperienced youngster who we want.
I understand what you're saying in so much as Rooney being better as a teenager doesn't mean he could have been better at his prime. I was about 8 when Michael Owen broke though so I don't really remember how good he looked then, but Rooney really looked every bit as exciting a prospect as Ronaldo.Owen would have been a better example. He also clearly did reach his potential, top scorer for England and United is an unbelievable achievement. It just didn't last as long as other players. Cristiano is a phenomenon, but look at Ronaldinho who was only at his peak between the ages of 23 to about 26/27, or Brazilian Ronaldo who dropped off immensely at about 29.
This is so ridiculously slanderous of Rooney it's not funny! Rooney definitely had the X factor. Different to Ronaldo, but he had it.Rooney was never better than Ronaldo. Ever.
Ronaldo was always capable of things Rooney couldn’t even dream of.
People loved Rooney’s “passion”, strength, and the way he fought with grown men and more often than not came on top, good eye for a goal too, but Ronaldo always had the X factor.
Rooney was definitely the better player when he joined the club. We weren't even sure Ronaldo was going to make it in his first couple of seasons, while Rooney was looking like he could become one of the best in the world.Rooney was never better than Ronaldo. Ever.
Ronaldo was always capable of things Rooney couldn’t even dream of.
People loved Rooney’s “passion”, strength, and the way he fought with grown men and more often than not came on top, good eye for a goal too, but Ronaldo always had the X factor.
Edit - I hope this doesn’t derail the thread, just personal opinion.
Either way Greenwood is
Neither of them ever showed the talent or potential that Chong or Gomes have, let alone Greenwood who is at least a level above them IMO.I'm really excited but trying to remind myself I was also excited about Cleverly and Lingard in pre season
I think cleverly was rated pretty high kinda like Chong but gomes definitely higher. Still I'm excited but I am not going to give into anything until the season starts.Neither of them ever showed the talent or potential that Chong or Gomes have, let alone Greenwood who is at least a level above them IMO.
One of the hardest things about making the step up though is the mental aspect of the game, and how players adapt to heightened expectations, pressure, fame, etc and Greenwood will experience that this season. All we can do is wait and hope he can handle it positively. Beyond that mental aspect, big injuries are the only thing that would prevent him from becoming a top quality player IMO.
You've only got yourself to blame thereI'm really excited but trying to remind myself I was also excited about Cleverly and Lingard in pre season
And Chris eagles back in the dayI'm really excited but trying to remind myself I was also excited about Cleverly and Lingard in pre season
Agree with you that Ronalo was obviously the more talented player, at least on reflection, and the only reason people would argue otherwise now is a combination of nostalgia and English hype.Rooney was never better than Ronaldo. Ever.
Ronaldo was always capable of things Rooney couldn’t even dream of.
People loved Rooney’s “passion”, strength, and the way he fought with grown men and more often than not came on top, good eye for a goal too, but Ronaldo always had the X factor.
Edit - I hope this doesn’t derail the thread, just personal opinion.
Either way Greenwood is
I think so, crucial he gets game time. We cannot lose him. Since we are shit it’s a good chance he gets it.Looks like you’ve got a gem there.
There’s a balance between that and having him burnout. Fergie used to talk about itI think so, crucial he gets game time. We cannot lose him. Since we are shit it’s a good chance he gets it.
Good point. Would be wise to keep him a bit hungry as well.There’s a balance between that and having him burnout. Fergie used to talk about it
I'd play him through August, then shelter him after the international break. Let him play in the cups and then back to league appearances near the end of October.There’s a balance between that and having him burnout. Fergie used to talk about it
thought this was baby shark till i clicked the spoilerHere comes Mason
do do do do
Here comes Mason
And I say it's alright
do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
Not even just in reflection, I have always held the opinion that Ronaldo was better, but alasAgree with you that Ronalo was obviously the more talented player, at least on reflection, and the only reason people would argue otherwise now is a combination of nostalgia and English hype.
But it's ludicrous to suggest Rooney didn't have the X factor. These goals against Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Arsenal, Fenerbahce and various others all before the age of 20 were some of the most obvious examples of "X factor" you'll ever see. It's an implausible stretch to describe that as just a good eye for goal, but even if you wanted to...there's countless examples of magnificent creative play too.
good thing I added it!thought this was baby shark till i clicked the spoiler
I can't see United adopting a new song from those scouse cnuts.Here comes Mason
do do do do
Here comes Mason
And I say it's alright
do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
How can I forget. He was talked of as a really big talentAnd Chris eagles back in the day
I agree we should not over-use him. But 30 games isn't a thing, if managed properly. It could be like 1 game per week.I think Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Greenwood is plenty of rotating strikers, albeit you are probably right that we are lacking proven killers in that position.
For LW, Rashford, Martial and James is plenty
For RW we have Greenwood, Mata, Lingard and maybe Dalot
There is a clear gap on the right, as Mata and Lingard are no where near good enough for RW. They are AM's and that should be it. Maybe Lingard as 3rd backup for RW.
Dalot is still developing and that isn't a position he has enough experience in, although he does show some promise there.
Listen all the way to the end.I can't see United adopting a new song from those scouse cnuts.
Doesn’t strike me as one who will want to jump ship if you give him decent minutes which I’m sure you will.I think so, crucial he gets game time. We cannot lose him. Since we are shit it’s a good chance he gets it.