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Leethal

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You have 700 posts on this forum and over 100 are in the Mason Mount thread.

You are obsessed. In a weird stalker, psycho kind of way.
What? That's the point of a thread? Or is there a limit to how much you can post per thread?

You have 50k posts. Fifty thousand. I can say with 100% confidence that you have a ridiculous amount of posts on a similar topic.
 

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What? That's the point of a thread? Or is there a limit to how much you can post per thread?

You have 50k posts. Fifty thousand. I can say with 100% confidence that you have a ridiculous amount of posts on a similar topic.
I’ll pray for you.
 

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I’ll pray for you.
Go outside. You don't even know what you're arguing here. You're arguing because I don't like Mason Mount, and think he was a waste of money? By attacking me on a personal level?

You're an absolute whopper. Wipe the grease off your shirt, go for a jog, and try not to have a cardiac arrest.
 

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Go outside. You don't even know what you're arguing here. You're arguing because I don't like Mason Mount, and think he was a waste of money? By attacking me on a personal level?

You're an absolute whopper. Wipe the grease off your shirt, go for a jog, and try not to have a cardiac arrest.
Excellent. Shown your true colours I see.

How pathetic.
 

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Wait? Didn't you insult me first? You really are a little embarrassment, aren't you, child?
I pointed out you seem to have some weird obsession with Mount backed up by the fact a large chunk of your posts on the forum can be found in this thread where you act like a broken record. You then called me a whopper and indicated you’d like me to have a cardiac arrest.

Classic keyboard warrior who would evidently soil themselves if ever met with genuine conflict I imagine.

Your behaviour is odd.
 

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Mount has been here 5 minutes. No need for a eulogy from ETH. Reeks of him just trying to stand by his shithouse transfer.
I think we can all say this transfer has so far been a disappointment because of the injuries but to be fair to ETH, he has been very consistent with his words of praise and encouragement to EVERYBODY.

You'll find he has said the same things for the injuries/times out of the squad for Eriksen, McTominay, Shaw, Varane, Antony, Martinez, Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Maguire, Amad, Mainoo etc last and this year.
 

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I pointed out you seem to have some weird obsession with Mount backed up by the fact a large chunk of your posts on the forum can be found in this thread where you act like a broken record. You then called me a whopper and indicated you’d like me to have a cardiac arrest.

Classic keyboard warrior who would evidently soil themselves if ever met with genuine conflict I imagine.

Your behaviour is odd.
1. Mate, you did not. Blatant lie. You told me to "seek help". That's an insult; insinuating I need psychiatric help.
2. And I did not indicate I want you to have a cardiac arrest. I asked you NOT to have one; which is related to the fact you sit on a computer forum making 50000 posts. You'd think with 50k posts, you'd at least have a basic grasp of reading comprehension. Don't try and twist what I said to suit your agenda and narrative, child..
3. Keyboard Warrior? I seem to remember you throwing the first "internet punch". Now you don't like it when I sling one back. Intelligence isn't your thing, is it?
 

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1. Mate, you did not. Blatant lie. You told me to "seek help". That's an insult; insinuating I need psychiatric help.
2. And I did not indicate I want you to have a cardiac arrest. I asked you NOT to have one; which is related to the fact yousit on a computer forum making 50000 posts. You'd think with 50k posts, you'd at least have a basic grasp of reading comprehension. Don't try and twist what I said to suit your agenda and narrative, child. You're simply not intelligent enough.
3. Keyboard Warrior? I seem to remember you throwing the first "internet punch". Now you don't like it when I sling one back. Intelligence isn't your thing, is it?
You need help to overcome your obsession over Mount as indicated by your posts in here. If you feel you need to visit a psychiatrist to do so that’s a matter for you if I’m honest.

I’m not sure of the point you’re making regarding my post count over 18 years. That I’m fat, overweight and may collapse doing exercise as I’m glued to a computer? Good one. Perhaps stand up comedy could be something for you to move in to. It would certainly help to develop your character and make you more appealing to interact with.
 

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And on the back of 18 months of dog shit performances for club and country, and coming off an injury?
I really don't get this '18 months of shit performances' that I see a lot of people saying.

He was literally Chelsea's POTY in 21/22, then he had 6 months of shit performances before getting injured. Unless you are counting his 12 months of injury issues as 'shit performances'?
 

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I really don't get this '18 months of shit performances' that I see a lot of people saying.

He was literally Chelsea's POTY in 21/22, then he had 6 months of shit performances before getting injured. Unless you are counting his 12 months of injury issues as 'shit performances'?

1- he’s been injured all season so i dont think it is fair to judge him as a failure.
2- from what I’ve seen when he played, it seems like we switch to 433 when he’s playing. This doesn’t suit us as it’s taking out bruno from him favorite 10 position and leaves us with a 6 who is alone in midfield. To play this, mount would really need to work him arse off up and down the middle of the pitch - it’s something he hadnt done for chelsea or england. Its a new position for him.
3- who would we drop for him? Mainoo? No way, our player of the month. Casemiro? Not sure about that.

At the beginning of the season i was thinking we might play him as rw, but its obvious ETH doesnt want that especially that garnacho seems to enjoy life as a rw. Very confusing signing to me…
 

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I really would like to know the back story on why we signed Mount. At least with Antony and Onana the idea was self-evident, but with Mount there’s no justifiable idea absent replacing Bruno, which we never sought to do.
 

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I really would like to know the back story on why we signed Mount. At least with Antony and Onana the idea was self-evident, but with Mount there’s no justifiable idea absent replacing Bruno, which we never sought to do.
We were not scoring nearly enough goals last year and Erik thought he would play Mount and Bruno in midfield with a single DMF, transforming us into more attacking side.

That idea backfired in a spectacular way when our midfield started getting overrun immediately. Bruno loses ball all the time, and Mount is poor in defense.

Erik miscalculated on tactics that lead to him desiring Mount so badly. Much bigger feck up was from the club allowing us to pay 60 million for an injury-prone player that didnt even have much time left on his contract

But what else is new, Richard Arnold and Murtough were clueless morons

Interestingly, I think Mainoo is wonderful in the role Erik wanted Mount for. Our wonder-kid is a fabulous #8 - both great defensively and apparently a capable goal-creator and scorer in attack. In the first half of the game against Wolves last week, you could see what Erik wanted to do.

As long as Mainoo can play alongside Casemiro's #6, and if Casemiro finds his form again, Erik may get his tactics, just not with Mount
 
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We were not scoring nearly enough goals last year and Erik thought he would play Mount and Bruno in midfield with a single DMF, transforming us into more attacking side.

That idea backfired in a spectacular way when our midfield started getting overrun immediately. Bruno loses ball all the time, and Mount is poor in defense.

Erik miscalculated on tactics that lead to him desiring Mount so badly. Much bigger feck up was from the club allowing us to pay 60 million for an injury-prone player that didnt even have much time left on his contract

But what else is new, Richard Arnold and Murtough were clueless morons

Interestingly, I think Mainoo is wonderful in the role Erik wanted Mount for. Our wonder-kid is a fabulous #8 - both great defensively and apparently a capable goal-creator and scorer in attack. In the first half of the game against Wolves last week, you could see what Erik wanted to do.

As long as Mainoo can play alongside Casemiro's #6, and if Casemiro finds his form again, Erik may get his tactics, just not with Mount
Has Mount been considered as an "injury prone player" before joining United? I thought he had one long term injury and he already missed more games this season than in previous seasons for Chelsea (on average). So is he injury prone, or is it just bad luck again?

I think he will come good, once he gets back to playing football that is, what might as well be next season as we have no idea what is going on now.
 

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Has Mount been considered as an "injury prone player" before joining United? I thought he had one long term injury and he already missed more games this season than in previous seasons for Chelsea (on average). So is he injury prone, or is it just bad luck again?

I think he will come good, once he gets back to playing football that is, what might as well be next season as we have no idea what is going on now.
Considered by whom? Clearly not by United recruiting but the fact is:

"Since the beginning of the 2021/22 season, Mount missed 17 games through injury with Chelsea, 12 of which came last season during two separate spells. Mount didn't finish last season with Chelsea, missing the last seven matches due to a pelvic injury"

That is not good. Compare that to Bruno who has never missed a game on injury, for us. Never. At the very least there should have been concerns. Indeed, he's been injured for us most ot his short time, already

You can call everything bad luck or call it being injury-prone, either way he is unavailable to us and it could have been expected

Injuries aside, I dont think he can play the role he was signed for. He is horrible alongside Bruno, so even when he comes back he can only compete with Bruno, which Erik is unlikely to do
 

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We were not scoring nearly enough goals last year and Erik thought he would play Mount and Bruno in midfield with a single DMF, transforming us into more attacking side.

That idea backfired in a spectacular way when our midfield started getting overrun immediately. Bruno loses ball all the time, and Mount is poor in defense.

Erik miscalculated on tactics that lead to him desiring Mount so badly. Much bigger feck up was from the club allowing us to pay 60 million for an injury-prone player that didnt even have much time left on his contract

But what else is new, Richard Arnold and Murtough were clueless morons

Interestingly, I think Mainoo is wonderful in the role Erik wanted Mount for. Our wonder-kid is a fabulous #8 - both great defensively and apparently a capable goal-creator and scorer in attack. In the first half of the game against Wolves last week, you could see what Erik wanted to do.

As long as Mainoo can play alongside Casemiro's #6, and if Casemiro finds his form again, Erik may get his tactics, just not with Mount
That’s a fantastic explanation, but at least in my mind it begs the question: why did ETH ever believe that Bruno and Mount could succeed together? Neither have an ounce of defensive fiber in their DNA, leaving us exposed to being overrun in midfield. And neither are top shelf attacking midfielders as DeBruyne today is or Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard once were.

I distinctly recall many here expressed concerns about Mount not being fit for purpose and of course now with hindsight it’s obvious that this acquisition, like Antony before him and Onana right after him, was a mistake. The better move, though incredibly ballsy, would have been to offload Bruno and bring in Maddison, who’s simply the better footballer. As for the role that Mount was intended to perform in we now have Mainoo but we didn’t know then what we know now so a buy made sense then, but I don’t have any names I can point to that would have been a better fit for the ideas ETH was trying to implement.
 

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We were not scoring nearly enough goals last year and Erik thought he would play Mount and Bruno in midfield with a single DMF, transforming us into more attacking side.

That idea backfired in a spectacular way when our midfield started getting overrun immediately. Bruno loses ball all the time, and Mount is poor in defense.

Erik miscalculated on tactics that lead to him desiring Mount so badly. Much bigger feck up was from the club allowing us to pay 60 million for an injury-prone player that didnt even have much time left on his contract

But what else is new, Richard Arnold and Murtough were clueless morons

Interestingly, I think Mainoo is wonderful in the role Erik wanted Mount for. Our wonder-kid is a fabulous #8 - both great defensively and apparently a capable goal-creator and scorer in attack. In the first half of the game against Wolves last week, you could see what Erik wanted to do.

As long as Mainoo can play alongside Casemiro's #6, and if Casemiro finds his form again, Erik may get his tactics, just not with Mount
I think that is the whole problem, he spent a hge chunk of summer transfer funds on a player we didnt actually need
 

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If he ever returns from death I'd quite like to see Ten Hag try a more compact 433 with Mount and Rashford/Garnacho playing further inside.

Granted we might not have the wing backs to perform it effectively but it seems like a good formation to get the most out of him.
 

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I really don't get this '18 months of shit performances' that I see a lot of people saying.

He was literally Chelsea's POTY in 21/22, then he had 6 months of shit performances before getting injured. Unless you are counting his 12 months of injury issues as 'shit performances'?
I think for many it just feels kinda pleasurable to type the word shit a bit. A bit shit even better.
 

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I genuinely think he’ll be a good player for us eventually. It was a poor move for that price and that close to his contract end but that sums up Eric’s transfer record thus far. I do genuinely believe that he’ll be an important player next season though.
 

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I think that is the whole problem, he spent a hge chunk of summer transfer funds on a player we didnt actually need
Very true. And when you factor in the cost of Onana at 40m, plus the 70m on Hojlund, the 170m we spent on Mount, Onana and Hojlund could have been applied to Kane, who would have cost “only” 120m — yes, Daniel would have accepted 120m for Harry — with 50m remains to bring in the kind of midfielder we actually needed last summer although is mooted now given the brilliance of Mainoo, who has exceeded even the most optimistic expectations.
 

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I want to see a midfield 3 of Mainoo, Casemiro with Mount as the attacking midfielder. Bruno imo should be occupying a wider berth on the left or right flank, because his direct game is better suited to playing in such a role where his strengths can be better utilised in possession and his positional discipline out of possession can be better managed by the team without sacrificing the central areas of the pitch which opens up transition opportunities for the opposition. Take the last match as a example where at one point in the game Bruno starts pressing/closing down the opposition individually and not in coordination with his team mates, which opened a huge gap centrally in our midfield.

Bruno has the ability to be very good at delivering the final ball, but that will come at the cost of team cohesion due to the high risk nature of his game when utilised centrally. But utilising him out wide with Mount in a central position potentially adds more control to our game with the ball and without the ball. And in a wider role his high risk passing wouldn't be as much of a issue as it is in a central role due to how quick opposition can kill you in transition in the EPL. You can't have gung-ho players playing centrally without also having the intelligence and discipline to go with that. Having a high work rate is good but it's only good if that work rate is applied intelligently in coordination with the rest of the team or big spaces will open up for the opponent to take advantage of.

And like I've consistently said for many months, the plan seemed to be to introduce Mainoo as a deeper lying midfielder with Mount as the most advanced attacking midfielder with Bruno being utilised out-wide similar to how ten Hag utilised Tadic or how Benitez utilised Gerrard when he was the Liverpool manager. Sadly for us we've had Mainoo and Mount injured for lengthy spells along with Martinez and Shaw.

But I think if you want control and cohesion from your team, then it's important to have the correct profiles in the correct positions who will not only contribute on the ball but also contribute intelligently without the ball in coordination with the team.
 

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His value is still there for plenty of clubs. Take 30m - 40m from Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Fulham, Palace or West Ham this summer and run. I hope we dont keep him around for years
 

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Why would you say that?
The only risk I see is he never comes back to playing football, otherwise his value will not drop significantly IMO.
Even before the injury I can not remember the last time he played good for a long periode of time. We have paid a lot of money for a player that used to be good, as I see it.
 

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His value is still there for plenty of clubs. Take 30m - 40m from Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Fulham, Palace or West Ham this summer and run. I hope we dont keep him around for years
On what planet do you think we’ll sell him this year?
 

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If he puts this bout of injuries behind him and gets a run of games in a team that looks more threatening up front, then I reckon we'll see the best of his Chelsea form. There's a good player in there, not sure what it is, maybe too much overlap with Bruno.
 

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That’s a fantastic explanation, but at least in my mind it begs the question: why did ETH ever believe that Bruno and Mount could succeed together? Neither have an ounce of defensive fiber in their DNA, leaving us exposed to being overrun in midfield. And neither are top shelf attacking midfielders as DeBruyne today is or Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard once were.

I distinctly recall many here expressed concerns about Mount not being fit for purpose and of course now with hindsight it’s obvious that this acquisition, like Antony before him and Onana right after him, was a mistake. The better move, though incredibly ballsy, would have been to offload Bruno and bring in Maddison, who’s simply the better footballer. As for the role that Mount was intended to perform in we now have Mainoo but we didn’t know then what we know now so a buy made sense then, but I don’t have any names I can point to that would have been a better fit for the ideas ETH was trying to implement.
Well that's sort of the reason people like me want him gone. It was a miscalculation that even a standard football fan could tell you was a bad idea beforehand and I was self-admittedly a miserable cnut in his transfer thread because of it.
 

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I want to see a midfield 3 of Mainoo, Casemiro with Mount as the attacking midfielder. Bruno imo should be occupying a wider berth on the left or right flank, because his direct game is better suited to playing in such a role where his strengths can be better utilised in possession and his positional discipline out of possession can be better managed by the team without sacrificing the central areas of the pitch which opens up transition opportunities for the opposition. Take the last match as a example where at one point in the game Bruno starts pressing/closing down the opposition individually and not in coordination with his team mates, which opened a huge gap centrally in our midfield.

Bruno has the ability to be very good at delivering the final ball, but that will come at the cost of team cohesion due to the high risk nature of his game when utilised centrally. But utilising him out wide with Mount in a central position potentially adds more control to our game with the ball and without the ball. And in a wider role his high risk passing wouldn't be as much of a issue as it is in a central role due to how quick opposition can kill you in transition in the EPL. You can't have gung-ho players playing centrally without also having the intelligence and discipline to go with that. Having a high work rate is good but it's only good if that work rate is applied intelligently in coordination with the rest of the team or big spaces will open up for the opponent to take advantage of.

And like I've consistently said for many months, the plan seemed to be to introduce Mainoo as a deeper lying midfielder with Mount as the most advanced attacking midfielder with Bruno being utilised out-wide similar to how ten Hag utilised Tadic or how Benitez utilised Gerrard when he was the Liverpool manager. Sadly for us we've had Mainoo and Mount injured for lengthy spells along with Martinez and Shaw.

But I think if you want control and cohesion from your team, then it's important to have the correct profiles in the correct positions who will not only contribute on the ball but also contribute intelligently without the ball in coordination with the team.
I think Bruno out wide is a recipe for disaster considering how poor he is on the ball and the lack of running threat he brings, teams will just trigger presses whenever the ball is circulated to him and he'll have to result to hopeful punts in behind.
 

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I really would like to know the back story on why we signed Mount. At least with Antony and Onana the idea was self-evident, but with Mount there’s no justifiable idea absent replacing Bruno, which we never sought to do.
High level he has a really good skillset if we are able to transition to a single DM for an 8, football is becoming much more about these high pressing, technically good CMs who aren't necessarily amazing at any one thing. Pool's midfield has been built on these types of player who chip in with goals and assists and run themselves into the ground feeding a rapid forward line. That's what I think ETH's plan is, to have a team who plays out from the back, keeps the ball and manages the game whilst having periods of high intensity pressing where we are trying to force turnovers/pressure mistakes.

I still think Mount has every chance to make it here, he's relatively young and still learning the 8 role and he's a very useful squad player to have if nothing else I guess.
 

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High level he has a really good skillset if we are able to transition to a single DM for an 8, football is becoming much more about these high pressing, technically good CMs who aren't necessarily amazing at any one thing. Pool's midfield has been built on these types of player who chip in with goals and assists and run themselves into the ground feeding a rapid forward line. That's what I think ETH's plan is, to have a team who plays out from the back, keeps the ball and manages the game whilst having periods of high intensity pressing where we are trying to force turnovers/pressure mistakes.

I still think Mount has every chance to make it here, he's relatively young and still learning the 8 role and he's a very useful squad player to have if nothing else I guess.
I accept your logic and actually agree that Mount is a very decent footballer, it’s hard to envision any tactical scheme working where Bruno and Mount are both regular starters.
 

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I accept your logic and actually agree that Mount is a very decent footballer, it’s hard to envision any tactical scheme working where Bruno and Mount are both regular starters.
I wonder if EtH brave enough to copy what Arsenal did against Liverpool, with Odeegard and Havertz duo floating, and Martinelli - Saka out wide. Although it will sacrifice the in-form Hojlund (or probably having Hojlund on the left).


Rashford --------------------------- Garnacho
-----------Mount--------------Bruno
------Casemiro---------------Mainoo

--Back Four

Mount and Bruno can drifted wide to left and right if needed, while Rashford/Hojlund and Garnacho can go central.
I personally want to see this against Villa. It looks like the most stable formation between defense and attack, with the players we have.
 
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To think we could have got him for free in only a few matches... nobody could predict that, but alas.
They could have predicted it though

He’s spent most of his last 18 months at Chelsea injured. It was one of the reasons I was really confused by the signing at the time as I thought it was likely to happen again, which it did