That would be the same year Spain won the Euro?
I said Portugal would struggle to qualify for the WC, which no one is their right mind will argue with.
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I said Portugal would struggle to qualify for the WC, which no one is their right mind will argue with.
What the hell is a "successful dribble" anyway?
Also, I don't see dribbling as being very important if it doesn't lead anywhere...
That's why no one takes you seriously.
The correlation between Messi-fanboism and love of dribbling is amazingly high. I wonder why.
Because he's the best dribbler in the world? You might be onto something there Cal.
Indeed, only value the attributes that your man excel in and assume that is the be-all and end-all.
I'll readily admit Messi is a better dribbler than Ronaldo, yet Ronaldo is the better footballer.
I'm left wondering how someone can dribble without going anywhere. Does it involve a treadmill?
We should be celebrating the heights these two are playing at rather than wasting our lives comparing them.
They'll be spoken about forever more.
They'll be spoken about forever more.
i think that the word "succesful" is key here
Appreciating one player more than the other doesn't mean you have to render yourself stubborn and impossible to talk to. Asking what a successful dribbling is, is a good example of that.
So it's taken the player from point A to point B, it doesn't involve point B being a better position than point A, you can "successfully dribble" across the width of the pitch and it's basically led "nowhere" in terms of attack.
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Don't see why he's getting stick for asking what a 'successful dribble' is. Can anyone actually say what is the criteria for a dribble? Does it only count beating opponents head on or does it also include running with the ball and travelling without actually beating an opponent? A dribble isn't like a shot where there is an unambiguous conception. What someone considers a successful dribble might differ from person to person so I don't think there's much wrong with questioning its usefulness as a statistic.
He's not "my man". And I'd say you have it the wrong way around - people (including myself) appreciate Messi more because they love watching players dribble with the ball. We don't love dribbling because Messi is great at it.
I was mocking him for his stupid comment on the importance of dribbling, questioning the criteria for successful dribble is fair enough.
Thank you, now brace yourself for the onslaught of the Messi faithfuls, how dare you question THE "successful dribble".
Maybe that's the case for you...
They didn't win the Euros because of Xavi. He had dipped, they won because of the abundance of talent from back to front.
You talk complete and utter shite to the point people question whether you're even being serious or just on a big wind up!
Can anyone who doesn't realise the value of dribbling in football really be taken seriously? I mean really, it such a huge part of the game, to effectively take defending players out of the attack results in your side having more of a numerical advantage in the attack. I mean if you don't get that, you're lucky if you even have a basic grasp of football, which seems to be the case with Cal here, who usually managed to debunk his own points in the same post 
That would be the same Xavi who played every single game of the Euro, but they just kept him there despite the numerous options they had available, or the fact that he finished 4th in the Ballon D'Or voting, all those people know nothing.
He was "gone".
Being good at dribbling is one of a few signs of having a good command over a football (otherwise known as technique). In a literal sense, being better at football means having higher technique, and Messi's is the highest in top level football bar none.
Go look up the definition of the "successful dribble", I don't think it involves getting pass any player.Can anyone who doesn't realise the value of dribbling in football really be taken seriously? I mean really, it such a huge part of the game, to effectively take defending players out of the attack results in your side having more of a numerical advantage in the attack. I mean if you don't get that, you're lucky if you even have a basic grasp of football, which seems to be the case with Cal here, who usually managed to debunk his own points in the same post
Also, pace and quick passing can do the same thing just as effectively.
Perhaps we should include those football freestylists when discussing best footballers if that's the case, they seem to have excellent command over a football.
This discussion is primarily about who is the better player, not the better footballer (which isn't in doubt).
The greatest players will always be great dribblers. Brilliant dribbling ability sets players apart.
A player is a participant in a sports team.
A footballer is just a person who plays football.
That's just the way I see it though.
Having difficulty in reading? I didn't say "great dribblers will always be the greatest players."What's the difference?
His best level was gone Cal?. You're like a really shit politician, you twist and squirm when you're exposed for talking crap. Xavi wasn't a standout in any way at Euro 2012.
Also go and look up the definition yourself, when you dribble you bypass an opposing player thus taking them out of the equation. You really don't have a leg to stand on. The only thing I'd ever give you credit for is you stick around for more humiliation when most people would have tapped out and walked away in shame long ago.
for Cal, xavi was great during the 2012 euros and messi was shit during the 2014 world cup
A few years ago and there would have been a 3 or 4 man wall in front of that, even from that distance. Just shows how poor his frees have gotten in recent years.I still think the Ghana keeper had money on Ronaldo scoring and that's why he essentially gifted him a goal.
Still my favourite Ronaldo moment of the World Cup was this
Hitting a one man wall is pretty bad. Hitting a one man wall containing a short arse like Philip Lahm is really bad.
People are reading into just one aspect of football (dribbling), saying this aspect is the main area where you judge the best players and Messi is the best at it.
Ok, but how about Ronaldo in his career has shown he is a fantastic flare player, can beat defenders with pace or skill, won a Ballon d'or when he was this type of player but as now (at 29/30 years of age) adapted his game and become one of the world's most lethal finisher and won a Ballon d'Or again for being this type of player.
Rather than Ronaldo have points go against him for what he's become, should he be commended and have his legacy enhanced for winning the Ballon d'Or on 3 different occasions being 2 different types of footballer as he's proved what a compete footballer he is?
Ok, but how about Ronaldo in his career has shown he is a fantastic flare player, can beat defenders with pace or skill, won a Ballon d'or when he was this type of player but as now (at 29/30 years of age) adapted his game and become one of the world's most lethal finisher and won a Ballon d'Or again for being this type of player.
Rather than Ronaldo have points go against him for what he's become, should he be commended and have his legacy enhanced for winning the Ballon d'Or on 3 different occasions being 2 different types of footballer as he's proved what a compete footballer he is?
for what it's worth I also think Xavi has been selected for club and country on pure reputation during the last couple of years.
It would be very interesting if Ronaldo wins a 4th Ballon'Dor next year.
Did I say anywhere that he was the standout players? He was clearly still an important player for the European champions.
When you dribble you carry the ball a certain distance, it is certainly not implied that when you dribble, you dribble pass players.
When Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or he was much the same player he is now, albeit he did display a bit more flair. But it wasn't much different, even then I was amused at he was still labelled a winger when he spent so much of his time lurking in the penalty area.
And Ronaldo was shit in the CL 13/14 despite smashing the all time record...
The Messi fanbois will be suicidal when that happens.
that's proves it then
Were we not discussing 2012? No all of a sudden you've changed the topic to 2013 and 14?
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