It's almost as if Jose knew what he was doing as opposed to the Caf legends.
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Yeah almost like he signed before and he won him the league.
The defensive aspects of the role are expected with Matic, but his passing through the lines really impressed me. His ability to run in possession is something that Carrick has always lacked.
That one pass he made, after a dummy, as he was peeling off towards the left of the pitch and Herrera was free in acres of space on the right was just 
Conte didn't want to sell him.
But.. but .. I thought he's a Chelsea reject and a cast off ?
He loves that outside of the boot pass to send balls into space. The weight and curve on his through balls were excellent yesterday.
Looks really good. I'd like dendoncker too and we are set in dm for the next few years while we phase carrick out and blood him in with matic. I'm pretty sure this has to be carricks last season with us.
Biggest compliment I can pay him was that he looked like he's been playing with the team for months and not days. Very good.
His passing was nice and snappy too when it needed to be. They was one instance where he played a ball down the right too, was a lovely reverse pass that split multiple players and was weighted perfectly.
Its in this video @ 2m50s ish
His passing was nice and snappy too when it needed to be. They was one instance where he played a ball down the right too, was a lovely reverse pass that split multiple players and was weighted perfectly.
Its in this video @ 2m50s ish
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I think what stood out for me was that he looked like a winner. It was clear that he was determined to do well and wanted to win whereas the others just choked and looked like deer's in the headlights.
We need more winners in this team
We need more winners in this team
"Why would Chelsea sell to us if he wasnt shit" was a question we heard millions of times over the last few months. Conte's praise of him today tells that story. They were mad to allow him to leave. Even though thought's a few years away from his telegram from the queen, he's still got plenty to give a top side. He's great to watch.
No resale value.
He wasn't perfect. Matič had that early mistake when he let Bale have a shot on goal from that corner. If Bale got that shot on target it would have been a goal.
And he fecked up majorly on the Isco goal. When defending 1 2’s you don't chase the ball.
Instead you stay with your man as Daley Blind demonstrates.
However, his distribution was good and he was our best player out there.
And he fecked up majorly on the Isco goal. When defending 1 2’s you don't chase the ball.
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However, his distribution was good and he was our best player out there.
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Typical of caf reknowned posters to call him crap.
Mark my words matic and fellaini will be very important for us this season.
Mark my words matic and fellaini will be very important for us this season.
Yeah, I agree btw that he fecked up on the Isco goal.
I'm happy with his performance.
He did, but Darmian dropping to keep Isco onside didn't help.
Valencia too. He was even further back.
The I-told-you-so stuff is at least as tedious as the Matic is shit stuff that went before. Can it and just be happy we've got him.
He looked good again, when madrid were most dominant and everybody just stood off he was the player who would'nt accept it and tried to do something, impressed with what I have seen of him so far.
I'm just happy that we are buying experienced players. There is massive problem with the line of thinking that seems dominant here:
Team is not good enough -> Buy a new amazing young player -> Young player is inconsistent and needs time -> Complain about results and performances -> Team is not good enough...
You need to balance the team.
Team is not good enough -> Buy a new amazing young player -> Young player is inconsistent and needs time -> Complain about results and performances -> Team is not good enough...
You need to balance the team.
Yeah, it's nice to have someone that isn't either a young player that needs five seasons before we know whether they're actually good, or has one season left before they hang up their boots. In between is good and what we need right now.
Chelsea reject apparently.
All the Chelsea fans were eager to tell us his level had fallen off a cliff as well.
Not an I told you so as I wanted Fabinho, but I didn't bitch or cry like half the Caf over this signing. Some deserved to be called out on their shit.
And he left because he knew he would lost his place to Bakayoko when the manager himself said he wanted Matic as first choice player and introduce Bakayoko slowly.
An Interesting read on Matic role :
https://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/2...-uniteds-most-important-signing-of-the-summer
https://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/2...-uniteds-most-important-signing-of-the-summer
Jose got lucky with this one. Most of his signings are wrong and perform shite. His one terrible season at Chelsea, pursuit of Perisic are proof of that.
Wasn't that Daley Blind, @Suedesi ?
white text?What an idiotic post.
Not sure how to do the white text thing
Yes. Just getting with the program. It's cool to slate our manager and team, don't you know?
Tough call between him and Valencia for our MOTM.
He wasn't very good considering he's just joined the squad. He had some great moments, he set up that goal we scored, and he had some bad moments as well.
Overall very good performance.
He wasn't very good considering he's just joined the squad. He had some great moments, he set up that goal we scored, and he had some bad moments as well.
Overall very good performance.
So surprised about the amount of negativity towards this signing with most seemingly wanting Fabinho but I was well happy with the signing. He's not a Carrick-like player in terms of style even though they play the same position. But he's what? 5 years younger than Carrick? We've instantly made an upgrade here. Good performance from him vs Madrid.
Roll on West Ham!
Roll on West Ham!
As one of those Chelsea fans, I think this is a bit of a mischaracterization-he hasn't returned to the level he was at initially upon rejoining Chelsea when he was arguably on par with Vidal as the best pure destroyer in midfield in Europe, I don't think this is disputable. I also think that Mourinho is smart to use him in a midfield 3 instead of a midfield 2, and that he'll be much more comfortable in that role. In a 2, he has to be mobile vertically as well as horizontally and is much more exposed to opposition pressing, which is a legitimate vulnerability. If he's behind two energetic midfielders in Herrera and Pogba, he will have more time on the ball and he can focus on moving horizontally to shut down counterattacks as opposed to having to press high, which he's not really comfortable doing at this point.
He fits very well into United's 4-3-3 system so I'd have preferred to not sell him to you and strengthen a legitimate rival, but he's a square peg in a round hole in a 3-4-3 and to get that fee for a 29 year old is good business in a rival. What is decidedly NOT good business is to not have an adequate replacement-Bakayoko fits better into a 3-4-3 but is hurt, and Fabregas is even less capable of playing in a midfield 2 at this point in his career.
Hmm, I don't think I would have compared Matic with Vidal pre-injury. Vidal was always the more dynamic player. Matic was the best holding midfielder in the league under Jose, we'll see if that's true again this season.
I agree he is better suited to a midfield 3, but so far his distribution has been very quick and he's been successful whenever he's had to run and press high up the pitch. I think if we choose to employ a midfield two for some games he'll do just fine.
I'm not really sure why Bakayoko is a better foil for Kante than Matic, because Bakayoko and Kante seem to have similar games while Matic is a better pure holding option. Also, 35m isn't that great a fee in this market. If you try to buy a replacement of Matic's quality it will cost as much or more (we should know, we tried).
Tbh I don't think we even have fancy names. And the squad has been thrown together by several regimes. And yes as you say we underrate proven champion players in opposition teams and scratch our heads when we finish outside of the top 4.
Blind (never heard of him and a squad player at best)
Fellaini (mid table player who has been converted from a long ball AM to a DM - and done well considering how immobile he is)
Martial (very young talent most had never heard of, striker trying to play a traditional wing role)
Rashford (teenager, striker trying to play a traditional wing role)
Herrera (AM converted to DM box2box, but not a top top talent)
Miki (a mercurial 28 yo talent most hadn't heard of with one excellent season, but only 30 quid and proving it was the right price, struggling to find a position)
Bailly (a good buy of an unknown player)
Darmian (Another relative unknown who like Blind isn't a top talent and a bit small and slow for the Prem)
Mata (not a bad signing but another player without a consistent position)
Pogba (big money signing and great talent, but still maturing in terms of productivity)
Shaw (unlucky with a terrible injury, but things don't look promising long term)
Throw Matic in there and you see where the differences lie. Mature, proven, specialist position, consistent, winner, international class. Now I have just eviscerated our squad but the truth is we started the transfer window needing a striker (missed out on a huge signing in Griezmann), Defensive and traditional midfielders, traditional winger, and strengthen CB.
Striker was first priority which we achieved, and maybe Zlatan back.
Wingers we have done nothing which is a massive massive concern.
Matic bolsters midfield but we need more, upgrades not just filling gaps.
Lindelof who long term hopefully contributes to defense.
So this is clearly a disappointing transfer window and we are very much relying on evolution not revolution. If the same players from last year do not perform, which is 50/50, then we will struggle again.
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