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Oh crazy, did you know him?Gazidis went to the same school as me. So yes, he’ll be an arrogant cnut
Oh crazy, did you know him?Gazidis went to the same school as me. So yes, he’ll be an arrogant cnut
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This is going well.
Yeah, bad or really bad.Hmmm, could go both ways.
They've done nothing in the league since 2008. So would a top four finish in his first season be considered a disaster?Yeah, bad or really bad.
Wenger was nowhere near the risk Arteta is. Wenger had already won a league and gone on a CL run with Monaco gaining a reputation for working with youth. Then when the Arsenal board still thought he was too inexperienced, he went to Japan and won a Cup over there before Dein could finally push him through.They've done nothing in the league since 2008. So would a top four finish in his first season be considered a disaster?
Poch, Pep and Wenger seem to rate him, but then again so does Moyes. He talks intelligently, but has next-to-no experience.
It's a risk, but so was hiring Wenger in the first place. Arsenal are crying out for a manager with cojones though, who would move Koscielny, Mustafi, etc on. Arteta strikes me as another yes man.
Plus stuff like he’s not going to be in charge of recruitment and so forth.Still better appointment than Moyes, even if it's more uncertain but with Moyes you already knew how mediocre he was and that he wasn't going to get any better.
Don't think I'd ever describe him that way. He was more an AM for Everton and Wenger turned him into a regista type. He was never really aggressive nor a defensive midfielder. I wasn't particularly impressed by his play in that position either. Don't think he ever worked the greatest in that position as he was too slow and not really aggressive.He's worked under Pep last two years, he was also an aggressive defensive midfielder, he will know how to set up his team to press, he also played for Arsenal 5 years while wearing the band at times, knows the club and is a leader I think he could actually surprise many and take Arsenal to back 4 immediately, while playing some nice football. It is my honest prediction and I think he would do well also for one other reason, he would be in a good position because they can't finish worse than 6th, he could focus on building a nice attacking while competitive team. If Arsenal lacks something it is aggression and he could bring that to Emirates imo.
The problem is not whether giving Arteta huge amount of money. Not giving much money before he proved himself somehow is understandable. The underline problem is with the appointment itself as you stated, seems like no plan was in place. No investment to persuade proven manager to come. Broken squad with quite some misfits.If Arteta comes in, it's a huge risk and shows no plan was in place. I would be worried if I was an arsenal fan, that board isn't going to give him huge amount of money. It's a massive gamble, out of the names that have been mentioned he would be the last choice in my opinion. Gazidis and Kroenke should be hunted down if this is the grand plan.
No but he has the right to feel they really want to him .Does Vieira think it’s his divine right to lead the club forward just because he’s a legend at Arsenal?
Does he not realise managing in the MLS carries NO WEIGHT whatsoever. He’s lucky the club even called.
While there shouldn't be any line drawing until thing plays out; it's understandable to freak out and liken to Moyes where a long term manager who left hte club (different circumstances, and position) and new coaches with lot to prove come in. They're trying to get back to top 4 if anything and doesn't look well a plan.I don't get the conparisoc with Moyes. Moyes was a known quantity. I'd be equally excutee and worried if I was an Arsenal fan.
I'd expect his brand of football to be very progressive and that would have me very excited. What would worry me is if they are going to lumber him with a shoestring vubudg but it seems he won't have great influence in trabsfers .
Would be interested to see what sort of attacking football he implements. Whether the positional game, relentless press or counter attacking.
I don't agree with people who have concluded it's itjng to be a disaster.
It would be funny, but at the same time, no one can be sure of what Arteta will manage to do.The meltdown on arsenal fam tv would be a summer special.
Sol Campbell being overlooked again. Disgusting.
Not an option. He doesn't fly. Plus he seems quite happy in the Ajax set-up.Doesn't Bergkamp have this coaching license?
Yeah, I also wouldn't say this is exactly a good call to give the job to Arteta but in Arsenal's position they do need a change so don't think they can do any worse than currently.I’m not saying that his appointment is in any way like Wenger’s, but let it not be forgotten that in his early (and most successful) years, David Dein acted as a de-facto Director of Football. It was only when Wenger became an absolute monarch that things started to go downhill. Maybe Gazidis thinks he can replicate that earlier era, if that’s the route he’s set upon.
Just got a hilarious vision of Fergie calling Moyes to his house again like in 2013, only this time to tell him he must go to Arsenal in an act of sabotage.What needs to happen is a merging of Wenger and Jose to form the perfect manager.
Anyway I hope they go for Moyes: Scottish, tough, inflexible (to the extreme) and endorsed by SAF.
That isn't the whole story though. He worked for years as a coach and then an assistant coach, 9 or so years in all.Oh the other thing to consider is that Kroenke's NFL team just appointed a rookie 32 year old manager who led them to a better season than they have had in years so its possible Kroenke is on board with pushing for a young, inexperienced manager because he just saw that work for his NFL team
With Moyes there was the argument around budget and having better players. He'd proved himself at a certain level and he may be able to step up given the opportunity.Given the choice between Arteta now and Moyes when we hired him, I would go with Arteta.
Moyes is a known quantity. Everyone knew what he was about. He came to United and delivered exactly what many predicted he would deliver, Crap.
Sure Arteta could be a disaster, but he could also end up being the next Pep or Zidane. I would much rather the unknown quantity who could end up turning out great than the tried and tested mediocre candidate. So even if they appoint Arteta, it’s still a better appointment than when we hired Moyes.
The general consensus is that Arteta is highly respected among the Arsenal players.Arteta is like Moyes was to us - the cheapskate option.
The 'cut from the same cloth' thing was complete and utter bollocks, anyone with a brain could see through it - all it was, was the board thought (as we had just won the league) that all they needed was a 'steady Eddie' type to come in and keep things ticking along nicely.....ie - "with no value in the market" and minimal expenditure. At least for 2-3years, then maybe they'd allow this new manager to buy a few upgrades.
Things went completely wrong when it became clear that the steady Eddie was anything but that, and that the squad SAF left was not quite as good as they thought. Hence the board were more than happy to spend big once Moyes was replaced.
Arteta will the same situation. They've brought him in because they know any manager worth his salt will turn around and tell them:
"Yeah......I'll sign........where's the blank cheque, lad?"
This will be their Moyes era and beyond, Arteta will be sacked by next summer I reckon.
Aye, I bow down to your superior knowledge on that.Wenger was nowhere near the risk Arteta is. Wenger had already won a league and gone on a CL run with Monaco gaining a reputation for working with youth. Then when the Arsenal board still thought he was too inexperienced, he went to Japan and won a Cup over there before Dein could finally push him through.
Arteta would be the most inexperienced and riskiest manager ever appointed in the history of the Arsenal.