R'hllor
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Cats are fecking demonsBan all dogs. You don't see cats killing people, do you?
Cats are fecking demonsBan all dogs. You don't see cats killing people, do you?
A cat could slit your throat in your sleep if it wanted to, they're just smart enough to know it won't benefit them in the long term.Cats absolutely would kill us if they could
The problem isn't just the automatic weapons though is it? They don't shoot themselves or shove bullets down their own chamber. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the automatics and automatic type weapons but they'll find the next similar gun to fire and tarnish their reputation too.The problem isn't just the dogs though is it? They don't train themselves or shove steroids down their own throat. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the pitbulls and pitbull breads but they'll find the next similar breed to train and tarnish their reputations too.
Banning certain breeds won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to train and raise dogs to be aggressive and authorities will be forced to kill more dogs and all the pitbulls will live the rest of their lives in a shelter because of the mistakes of humans.
Because some people like owning bigger breeds of dogs, unfortunately these same dogs attract the scumbags of society because of the very same reason.Can I ask an honest question, and I’m not judging, just genuinely curious as to why some people buy breeds that are fairly protective and could potentially do a lot of damage.
I myself have had a jack Russel (who can definitely be feisty) and currently have a springer spaniel who is scared of flies and roles over in submission if I even raise my eye brows.
whilst you have to be careful with all dogs and breads around children, wary of other dogs etc, I always got a breed knowing I felt in control of the dog should anything unforeseen happen.
the thought of owning a 60kg dog (myself only weigh 65kg) scares the bejesus out of me.
With Rottweilers being of similar size and weight, and you yourself saying you’d never let him alone with kids or off the lead, why did you get a breed like the rottie, over something say a Labrador? Is it protection thing?
And I’m not digging on rotties etc, there’s one in the village who rolls over when I see her and soft as anything. I also know any breed can be aggressive if it’s taught to be by it’s owner.
the question is more me trying to understand why someone would want to own an XL
What about horses?Cats absolutely would kill us if they could
Isn't it just the same reason people own guns? Being charitable, they help them feel safer in a world they perceive as very dangerous. Being less charitable, it helps them feel like a tough guy. And there's probably an overlap between these two reasons.Can I ask an honest question, and I’m not judging, just genuinely curious as to why some people buy breeds that are fairly protective and could potentially do a lot of damage.
I myself have had a jack Russel (who can definitely be feisty) and currently have a springer spaniel who is scared of flies and roles over in submission if I even raise my eye brows.
whilst you have to be careful with all dogs and breads around children, wary of other dogs etc, I always got a breed knowing I felt in control of the dog should anything unforeseen happen.
the thought of owning a 60kg dog (myself only weigh 65kg) scares the bejesus out of me.
With Rottweilers being of similar size and weight, and you yourself saying you’d never let him alone with kids or off the lead, why did you get a breed like the rottie, over something say a Labrador? Is it protection thing?
And I’m not digging on rotties etc, there’s one in the village who rolls over when I see her and soft as anything. I also know any breed can be aggressive if it’s taught to be by it’s owner.
the question is more me trying to understand why someone would want to own an XL
I don't like guns but I love dogsThe problem isn't just the automatic weapons though is it? They don't shoot themselves or shove bullets down their own chamber. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the automatics and automatic type weapons but they'll find the next similar gun to fire and tarnish their reputation too.
Banning certain weapons won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to buy and fire weapons and authorities will be forced to ban more guns and all the guns will live the rest of their lives in a gun shelter because of the mistakes of humans.
It was working right up until the last sentence...
The trouble is that owners of particularly bad and dangerous dogs do train them!! Seeing anyone 'playing with their particulary dangerous dogs with these tug and pull toys and seriously genuinely need to be banned from dog ownership but as a very minimum taken outside behind the barn because they are actually training them to be the Alpha. These people are encouraging the dog, letting the dog know that it's alright, even with their owner to fight and keep what it fights for. Every dog in a household is virtually constantly fighting for top dog position, you simply cannot allow then any perceived power over the owner, your position, your family, any human must and needs be constantly re-inforced with the plain truth that it is at the bottom of the ladder. Strange but true, the dog will be happier knowing it's place.The problem isn't just the dogs though is it? They don't train themselves or shove steroids down their own throat. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the pitbulls and pitbull breads but they'll find the next similar breed to train and tarnish their reputations too.
Banning certain breeds won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to train and raise dogs to be aggressive and authorities will be forced to kill more dogs and all the pitbulls will live the rest of their lives in a shelter because of the mistakes of humans.
There is a question around whether there is a need for big dogs and/or dogs from dangerous breeds in a society. You can train any dog and feel 99% sure it will do as commanded but at the end of the day its an animal. That applies to all dogs but there is a difference between a Schnauzer having an out of control moment and a rottweiler. The comparison to guns for example is not apt in my opinion, as without human intervention a gun is a gun and just stays there. It doesn't have a mind of its own, natural instincts etc.Because some people like owning bigger breeds of dogs, unfortunately these same dogs attract the scumbags of society because of the very same reason.
My wife’s sister owns two American XL’s both are soft as anything and love people and spend more time being idiots than being aggressive towards anyone.
From my own point of view I have an English bulldog who we regimes, loves people but was bitten by a small dog and now unfortunately is scared of all other dogs.
Definitely not true. I know a lot of people that own Pitbulls who don't train them to be aggressive or kill.The trouble is that owners of particularly bad and dangerous dogs do train them!! Seeing anyone 'playing with their particulary dangerous dogs with these tug and pull toys and seriously genuinely need to be banned from dog ownership but as a very minimum taken outside behind the barn because they are actually training them to be the Alpha. These people are encouraging the dog, letting the dog know that it's alright, even with their owner to fight and keep what it fights for. Every dog in a household is virtually constantly fighting for top dog position, you simply cannot allow then any perceived power over the owner, your position, your family, any human must and needs be constantly re-inforced with the plain truth that it is at the bottom of the ladder. Strange but true, the dog will be happier knowing it's place.
There's no real need to have any animal as a pet. But people like pets. I have 2 Labrador's, both if they really wanted too could attack me and I probably wouldn't have a chance. However considering they would run away if a leaf blew towards them, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't harm anyone.A Rottweiler is a great example, there is not really a need for a dog that big as a pet. In my opinion if a dog can attack someone and an average human cannot fight it off/pull it off, is there a need for that dog in a society.
Cats kill incredible number of birds and smaller wildlife.Ban all dogs. You don't see cats killing people, do you?
Exactly some big dogs tend to be the biggest babies. Instances where they are aggressive the owner needs to take them to the pound or get help. They can't take themselves.There's no real need to have any animal as a pet. But people like pets. I have 2 Labrador's, both if they really wanted too could attack me and I probably wouldn't have a chance. However considering they would run away if a leaf blew towards them, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't harm anyone.
Problem is mostly the owners.
I've one Red Fox and one Yellow lab. Chocolate labs are great though!Exactly some big dogs tend to be the biggest babies. Instances where they are aggressive the owner needs to take them to the pound or get help. They can't take themselves.
On a side note do you have chocolate labs?
I get the point, the breed is known to be dangerous. Therefore if the dog was on a decent lead and even muzzled then this would never of been a problem. That's up to the owners. Who lets the dog loose in a populated area? The owner...Some people here acting like it's the fault of the dangerous dog owners that these attacks happen because they haven't trained them properly. Completely missing the point that these dogs are known just go apeshit and attack/kill despite all the training they've been given. Why are people ignorant to all the stories from owners who say "it's so out of character and has never happened before.. they are a friendly, family dog" after their dog brutally attacks someone?
You've never seen owners and their dogs fighting to get ownership of these rag ropes - one knot at either end? Maybe playing with throwing a frisbee and then trying to get the dog to release it? It may not be deliberate, maybe the owner believes it is good healthy exercise but as I said they are training them the wrong way.Definitely not true. I know a lot of people that own Pitbulls who don't train them to be aggressive or kill.
Sure you can. I just prefer bigger dogs over little ones to be honest. I don't walk around acting like some tough guy because I have a rottweiler, he's well socialised and trained and I adore him.Can I ask an honest question, and I’m not judging, just genuinely curious as to why some people buy breeds that are fairly protective and could potentially do a lot of damage.
I myself have had a jack Russel (who can definitely be feisty) and currently have a springer spaniel who is scared of flies and roles over in submission if I even raise my eye brows.
whilst you have to be careful with all dogs and breads around children, wary of other dogs etc, I always got a breed knowing I felt in control of the dog should anything unforeseen happen.
the thought of owning a 60kg dog (myself only weigh 65kg) scares the bejesus out of me.
With Rottweilers being of similar size and weight, and you yourself saying you’d never let him alone with kids or off the lead, why did you get a breed like the rottie, over something say a Labrador? Is it protection thing?
And I’m not digging on rotties etc, there’s one in the village who rolls over when I see her and soft as anything. I also know any breed can be aggressive if it’s taught to be by it’s owner.
the question is more me trying to understand why someone would want to own an XL
There’s definitely cases where that has happened (the majority even), but I’m always a little sceptical of those claims because an alarming amount of people are blind to the behavioural signs dogs show. They’ll misinterpret certain postures or actions that are good indicators of things to come, if the necessary steps (actual proper training) aren’t taken. I’ve even seen videos where parents have posted a video of there dog acting in a manner they find comical/endearing around their child, when it’s actually showing worrying and dangerous behaviour.Some people here acting like it's the fault of the dangerous dog owners that these attacks happen because they haven't trained them properly. Completely missing the point that these dogs are known just go apeshit and attack/kill despite all the training they've been given. Why are people ignorant to all the stories from owners who say "it's so out of character and has never happened before.. they are a friendly, family dog" after their dog brutally attacks someone? It's the fault of the dangerous dog owner because he/she owns a dangerous dog - end of story.
There was a time when Rottweilers were the breeds causing most attacks on people. However, I think they have a far better temperament than many other dogs. Yes, they're very powerful, but they're often very friendly, too.I have a rottweiler and he's honestly a giant baby.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't wondered would I be able to stop him if he turned one day though.
He weighs 130lbs (about 60kg) and as much as I love and trust him I never leave him alone with kids or let him off the lead out in public.
A large percentage of injuries happen in the home. The 10 year old boy Jack Lis went to his mates house only to be horribly killed by a Bully XL there.I get the point, the breed is known to be dangerous. Therefore if the dog was on a decent lead and even muzzled then this would never of been a problem. That's up to the owners. Who lets the dog loose in a populated area? The owner...
Except this isn’t true at all in terms of playing with your dog.The trouble is that owners of particularly bad and dangerous dogs do train them!! Seeing anyone 'playing with their particulary dangerous dogs with these tug and pull toys and seriously genuinely need to be banned from dog ownership but as a very minimum taken outside behind the barn because they are actually training them to be the Alpha. These people are encouraging the dog, letting the dog know that it's alright, even with their owner to fight and keep what it fights for. Every dog in a household is virtually constantly fighting for top dog position, you simply cannot allow then any perceived power over the owner, your position, your family, any human must and needs be constantly re-inforced with the plain truth that it is at the bottom of the ladder. Strange but true, the dog will be happier knowing it's place.
I'm not saying I'm against the breed being banned, I'm just generalising that on the whole, dog attacks could be prevented a lot more by owners being more aware of signs/better training/equipment.A large percentage of injuries happen in the home. The 10 year old boy Jack Lis went to his mates house only to be horribly killed by a Bully XL there.
XLs are the result of backyard breeding - with violent and banned dogs, e.g. pits, - for the most part, which is a recipe for disaster (as we're watching play out in real time). A consequence of that is that XL bullies and bully breeds in general tend to be really common rescue pets - so a lot of the "responsible" owners have quite traumatised, poorly raised, massive dogs. As a result of being crossed with banned pitbulls (in a successful attempt to circumvent the banned dogs list), plus their proliferation, they are responsible for the majority of dog attacks.If the problem is the owners then why are XLs and such dogs responsible for most of the attacks? Do the 200+ other dog breeds in the UK just never have bad owners?
I imagine became a lot more scumbags own this breed and two if you have a scumbag who owns a Jack Russell it’s not going to kill somebody so you’re less likely to hear about it.If the problem is the owners then why are XLs and such dogs responsible for most of the attacks? Do the 200+ other dog breeds in the UK just never have bad owners?
His temperament is amazing, he's so friendly and relaxed. It's all about how they're raised from puppies and unfortunately some people torment their dogs to create vicious ones.There was a time when Rottweilers were the breeds causing most attacks on people. However, I think they have a far better temperament than many other dogs. Yes, they're very powerful, but they're often very friendly, too.
We had a rescue Lab and he was sometimes aggressive. I often muzzled him in public, it attracted attention because people think "Lab = family friendly". Not always, and not when you get them as an adult dog with no history. He particularly disliked men in work overalls. They're not the size of a Rottweiler, but they're 30-odd kilos and strong.
It’s still the dog then. Because if you look at an irresponsible owner leaving, say, a lab off a leash and an irresponsible XL owner leaving their XL off a leash…only one is likely to end with blood everywhere and torn flesh.I imagine became a lot more scumbags own this breed and two if you have a scumbag who owns a Jack Russell it’s not going to kill somebody so you’re less likely to hear about it.
What about huskies, Rottweilers, Irish wolfhounds, Great Danes etc etc.It’s still the dog then. Because if you look at an irresponsible owner leaving, say, a lab off a leash and an irresponsible XL owner leaving their XL off a leash…only one is likely to end with blood everywhere and torn flesh.
I do agree that there are bad/irresponsible owners but I still think they only have so much of a part to play, especially when you consider there are warm, loving families…good owners whose pits and XLs cause their child to need facial reconstruction surgery cos they snap out of nowhere.
Exactly. Banning any one breed just moves the issue to the next designer lethal breed; pitbulls etc. are already old news in such circles. You're more likely to see Cane Corso's adorned now, not pitbulls.The problem isn't just the dogs though is it? They don't train themselves or shove steroids down their own throat. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the pitbulls and pitbull breads but they'll find the next similar breed to train and tarnish their reputations too.
Banning certain breeds won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to train and raise dogs to be aggressive and authorities will be forced to kill more dogs and all the pitbulls will live the rest of their lives in a shelter because of the mistakes of humans.
They're ugly, mean-looking bastards.
I mean, if we’re at that point it’s a dog that should never have existed.E.g as XLs are known to flip, in households they could be kept in separate rooms etc as they maybe fine with their family, but may not do so well with other people.
They are far too devious to be caught.Ban all dogs. You don't see cats killing people, do you?
Cats kill millions of native animals per day here. They are responsible for numerous extinctions and should be banned. Even mine who never leaves the house.Cats kill incredible number of birds and smaller wildlife.
Studies have shown they are responsible for or contributors to at least 10% of recent bits and reptile extinctions.
They are bastards
AwwOkay that one was decent but most look like this