Cats are fecking demons
Out of control dogs/dog attacks
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A cat could slit your throat in your sleep if it wanted to, they're just smart enough to know it won't benefit them in the long term.
The problem isn't just the automatic weapons though is it? They don't shoot themselves or shove bullets down their own chamber. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the automatics and automatic type weapons but they'll find the next similar gun to fire and tarnish their reputation too.
Banning certain weapons won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to buy and fire weapons and authorities will be forced to ban more guns and all the guns will live the rest of their lives in a gun shelter because of the mistakes of humans.
It was working right up until the last sentence...
Because some people like owning bigger breeds of dogs, unfortunately these same dogs attract the scumbags of society because of the very same reason.
My wife’s sister owns two American XL’s both are soft as anything and love people and spend more time being idiots than being aggressive towards anyone.
From my own point of view I have an English bulldog who we regimes, loves people but was bitten by a small dog and now unfortunately is scared of all other dogs.
What about horses?
Isn't it just the same reason people own guns? Being charitable, they help them feel safer in a world they perceive as very dangerous. Being less charitable, it helps them feel like a tough guy. And there's probably an overlap between these two reasons.
Specifically talking about big/dangerous breeds here. Big vs small preferences might be for different reasons.
I don't like guns but I love dogsThe problem isn't just the automatic weapons though is it? They don't shoot themselves or shove bullets down their own chamber. It's irresponsible human scumbags who are the main issue here. You can ban all the automatics and automatic type weapons but they'll find the next similar gun to fire and tarnish their reputation too.
Banning certain weapons won't get rid of these irresponsible individuals. They'll live on and continue to buy and fire weapons and authorities will be forced to ban more guns and all the guns will live the rest of their lives in a gun shelter because of the mistakes of humans.
It was working right up until the last sentence...
The trouble is that owners of particularly bad and dangerous dogs do train them!! Seeing anyone 'playing with their particulary dangerous dogs with these tug and pull toys and seriously genuinely need to be banned from dog ownership but as a very minimum taken outside behind the barn because they are actually training them to be the Alpha. These people are encouraging the dog, letting the dog know that it's alright, even with their owner to fight and keep what it fights for. Every dog in a household is virtually constantly fighting for top dog position, you simply cannot allow then any perceived power over the owner, your position, your family, any human must and needs be constantly re-inforced with the plain truth that it is at the bottom of the ladder. Strange but true, the dog will be happier knowing it's place.
There is a question around whether there is a need for big dogs and/or dogs from dangerous breeds in a society. You can train any dog and feel 99% sure it will do as commanded but at the end of the day its an animal. That applies to all dogs but there is a difference between a Schnauzer having an out of control moment and a rottweiler. The comparison to guns for example is not apt in my opinion, as without human intervention a gun is a gun and just stays there. It doesn't have a mind of its own, natural instincts etc.
A Rottweiler is a great example, there is not really a need for a dog that big as a pet. In my opinion if a dog can attack someone and an average human cannot fight it off/pull it off, is there a need for that dog in a society.
Definitely not true. I know a lot of people that own Pitbulls who don't train them to be aggressive or kill.
There's no real need to have any animal as a pet. But people like pets. I have 2 Labrador's, both if they really wanted too could attack me and I probably wouldn't have a chance. However considering they would run away if a leaf blew towards them, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't harm anyone.
Problem is mostly the owners.
Cats kill incredible number of birds and smaller wildlife.
Studies have shown they are responsible for or contributors to at least 10% of recent bits and reptile extinctions.
They are bastards
Exactly some big dogs tend to be the biggest babies. Instances where they are aggressive the owner needs to take them to the pound or get help. They can't take themselves.
On a side note do you have chocolate labs?
I've one Red Fox and one Yellow lab. Chocolate labs are great though!
Some people here acting like it's the fault of the dangerous dog owners that these attacks happen because they haven't trained them properly. Completely missing the point that these dogs are known just go apeshit and attack/kill despite all the training they've been given. Why are people ignorant to all the stories from owners who say "it's so out of character and has never happened before.. they are a friendly, family dog" after their dog brutally attacks someone? It's the fault of the dangerous dog owner because he/she owns a dangerous dog - end of story.
If the problem is the owners then why are XLs and such dogs responsible for most of the attacks? Do the 200+ other dog breeds in the UK just never have bad owners?
I get the point, the breed is known to be dangerous. Therefore if the dog was on a decent lead and even muzzled then this would never of been a problem. That's up to the owners. Who lets the dog loose in a populated area? The owner...
You've never seen owners and their dogs fighting to get ownership of these rag ropes - one knot at either end? Maybe playing with throwing a frisbee and then trying to get the dog to release it? It may not be deliberate, maybe the owner believes it is good healthy exercise but as I said they are training them the wrong way.
Sure you can. I just prefer bigger dogs over little ones to be honest. I don't walk around acting like some tough guy because I have a rottweiler, he's well socialised and trained and I adore him.
The question of safety really only arose when I noticed him sitting with some kids in my living room and I actually realised how much bigger he was than them, but he loved the attention and again I've had zero problems with him.
He still thinks he's a puppy and sits on me for cuddles. I picked a rottweiler over another large breed as my friend had one and I love the breed.
There’s definitely cases where that has happened (the majority even), but I’m always a little sceptical of those claims because an alarming amount of people are blind to the behavioural signs dogs show. They’ll misinterpret certain postures or actions that are good indicators of things to come, if the necessary steps (actual proper training) aren’t taken. I’ve even seen videos where parents have posted a video of there dog acting in a manner they find comical/endearing around their child, when it’s actually showing worrying and dangerous behaviour.
There was a time when Rottweilers were the breeds causing most attacks on people. However, I think they have a far better temperament than many other dogs. Yes, they're very powerful, but they're often very friendly, too.
We had a rescue Lab and he was sometimes aggressive. I often muzzled him in public, it attracted attention because people think "Lab = family friendly". Not always, and not when you get them as an adult dog with no history. He particularly disliked men in work overalls. They're not the size of a Rottweiler, but they're 30-odd kilos and strong.
A large percentage of injuries happen in the home. The 10 year old boy Jack Lis went to his mates house only to be horribly killed by a Bully XL there.
Except this isn’t true at all in terms of playing with your dog.
I'm not saying I'm against the breed being banned, I'm just generalising that on the whole, dog attacks could be prevented a lot more by owners being more aware of signs/better training/equipment.
E.g as XLs are known to flip, in households they could be kept in separate rooms etc as they maybe fine with their family, but may not do so well with other people.
XLs are the result of backyard breeding - with violent and banned dogs, e.g. pits, - for the most part, which is a recipe for disaster (as we're watching play out in real time). A consequence of that is that XL bullies and bully breeds in general tend to be really common rescue pets - so a lot of the "responsible" owners have quite traumatised, poorly raised, massive dogs. As a result of being crossed with banned pitbulls (in a successful attempt to circumvent the banned dogs list), plus their proliferation, they are responsible for the majority of dog attacks.
The only real answer is to have a multi pronged and nuanced approach that goes hard on illegal and at home breeding. In my opinion it should be really difficult to actively breed and sell dogs - e.g. no one should be able to go on pets4homes and simply bang up a litter without being qualified and trained. It should be mandatory for dogs to be on leads in public areas and for bull/large breeds to be muzzled in public.
My last point would be that every XL bully/bully in general should be sterilised/neutered. Potentially controversial, but it's actually for the breeds (if you can call it a breed, I don't think there is much standardisation) own good, as they have effectively had their communication bred out of them due to their flat faces. This means that other dogs are quicker to react to them, as they can't read their facial expressions and before you know it you have a dog fight in many cases, with only one winner.
I imagine became a lot more scumbags own this breed and two if you have a scumbag who owns a Jack Russell it’s not going to kill somebody so you’re less likely to hear about it.
His temperament is amazing, he's so friendly and relaxed. It's all about how they're raised from puppies and unfortunately some people torment their dogs to create vicious ones.
It’s still the dog then. Because if you look at an irresponsible owner leaving, say, a lab off a leash and an irresponsible XL owner leaving their XL off a leash…only one is likely to end with blood everywhere and torn flesh.
I do agree that there are bad/irresponsible owners but I still think they only have so much of a part to play, especially when you consider there are warm, loving families…good owners whose pits and XLs cause their child to need facial reconstruction surgery cos they snap out of nowhere.
XLs are more dangerous than any other breed and also more likely to snap unexpectedly because of their hard wired aggression and poor temperament/obedience. Their owners are also more likely to be scumbags and criminals and be irresponsible and careless with them.
What about huskies, Rottweilers, Irish wolfhounds, Great Danes etc etc.
My point isn’t to say they should/shouldn’t but any reasonable sized dog can do serious damage to a child or person, when they ban XL bullies and the scumbags move on to another breed we will end up banning them next.
I feel that both sides are wrong here.
Those who are strongly in favor of banning pit bulls and rottweilers etc have convinced themselves that these breeds are particularly aggressive when this doesn't really seem to be the case. In fact some of these breeds are less aggressive and more affectionate than most breeds. But it doesn't feel good to ban an affectionate breed so that part gets ignored.
And the ones who are strongly against banning these breeds (typically people who have been around said breeds) will claim that it's unfair when there are so many worse breeds in terms of temper. But the problem is that it's better to be surrounded by harmless little demon dogs than cuddly bears that can kill you. I'm sure that with proper breeding practices and a regular amount of training and love then there's a 1 in 100 chance of your pit bull biting. But when that 1 time is deadly, then it's already too much. Even 1 in 1000 would be too much. Combine this with shitty breeders and psycho owners, and you got yourself a very bad situation.
So yeah pit bulls are great. But they should also be banned.
Those who are strongly in favor of banning pit bulls and rottweilers etc have convinced themselves that these breeds are particularly aggressive when this doesn't really seem to be the case. In fact some of these breeds are less aggressive and more affectionate than most breeds. But it doesn't feel good to ban an affectionate breed so that part gets ignored.
And the ones who are strongly against banning these breeds (typically people who have been around said breeds) will claim that it's unfair when there are so many worse breeds in terms of temper. But the problem is that it's better to be surrounded by harmless little demon dogs than cuddly bears that can kill you. I'm sure that with proper breeding practices and a regular amount of training and love then there's a 1 in 100 chance of your pit bull biting. But when that 1 time is deadly, then it's already too much. Even 1 in 1000 would be too much. Combine this with shitty breeders and psycho owners, and you got yourself a very bad situation.
So yeah pit bulls are great. But they should also be banned.
Exactly. Banning any one breed just moves the issue to the next designer lethal breed; pitbulls etc. are already old news in such circles. You're more likely to see Cane Corso's adorned now, not pitbulls.
Pitbull is a bald cnut and should definitely be banned.
Seriously though, I've no idea why anyone would even want a pitbull (except for fighting, protection or whatever). They're ugly, mean-looking bastards.
Seriously though, I've no idea why anyone would even want a pitbull (except for fighting, protection or whatever). They're ugly, mean-looking bastards.
Owners or not, it's clear people target certain breeds because of what they can do.
I've thought about this a lot, but honestly, I don't know why there just isn't stricter rules on having dogs.
Starting with licenses to breed dogs.
Dog breeders have to neuter any dogs they sell on
Also, microchip all dogs before selling, making sure all info is up to date.
Then for the owners, in public area's, must always be on a lead. I'd even say why not go as far as muzzling then. Wouldn't it be worth it just to save one life.
Also keep tabs on peoples history with pets, whether attacks, giving way etc
Mostly just off the top of my head, but I'm also sick of seeing so many people get dogs, then get rid of them a few years later
I've thought about this a lot, but honestly, I don't know why there just isn't stricter rules on having dogs.
Starting with licenses to breed dogs.
Dog breeders have to neuter any dogs they sell on
Also, microchip all dogs before selling, making sure all info is up to date.
Then for the owners, in public area's, must always be on a lead. I'd even say why not go as far as muzzling then. Wouldn't it be worth it just to save one life.
Also keep tabs on peoples history with pets, whether attacks, giving way etc
Mostly just off the top of my head, but I'm also sick of seeing so many people get dogs, then get rid of them a few years later
I mean, if we’re at that point it’s a dog that should never have existed.
People need to accept that it’s not ‘the breeder’. It’s the last 1-40 years of breeders. Responses are hard coded and don’t disappear. You can have a brand new puppy, raise it on a desert island in a perfect environment, it’s still got the same historic responses programmed in. In almost all circumstances, they don’t come out. But when they do… it’s often fatal.
I love XL Bullies and Bull Mastiffs and many other dogs that are as big and potentially damaging. Been around plenty. I can’t justify the former being available for sale as house dogs though. It’s size and lethality and chance of harm. I can advocate for Bull Mastiffs but not allow just anyone to have one. The same is tru for so many breeds.
They are far too devious to be caught.
Cats kill millions of native animals per day here. They are responsible for numerous extinctions and should be banned. Even mine who never leaves the house.Cats kill incredible number of birds and smaller wildlife.
Studies have shown they are responsible for or contributors to at least 10% of recent bits and reptile extinctions.
They are bastards
AwwOkay that one was decent but most look like this
