RedCurry
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He didn’t do much all game but I can accept a performance like that. It’s when he starts sulking in the middle of the game to negatively impact the team, is when I can’t stand him.
Give me one reason for not counting his first season.
I felt he did in the last 25 minutes or so. It was subtle because he ran around, but I paid close attention to him and it was pretty much aimless, without purpose and certainly without intent of getting the ball.He didn’t do much all game but I can accept a performance like that. It’s when he starts sulking in the middle of the game to negatively impact the team, is when I can’t stand him.
Measuring improvement? I would include his first season but not without number of chances created by him as Ibrahimovic was ridiculously wasteful (things don’t happen in a vacuum). I’m currently mobile and a quick google search shows an article from April 2017 after a 2-0 win against Chelsea stating that Pogba had completed the most passes (1726) and created the most chances out of any midfielders in the league that season with 53.
I don't care how you feel, how about that. Who are you talking to? Have I said those things?
Pogba had a bad game in my eyes, who cares what some other guy said a few months back.
Let me ask you something. What If McTominay and Fred didn't take control of the midfield and played so well. What would Pogba do then? He certainly didn't work to get the ball, or won the ball much? He would see even less of the ball, you'd assume he would have created a lot less chances than he did. He would have to work twice as hard to impact the game, and I think that is what McTominay and Fred did and guess what it worked. Pogba didn't do that and for him to be the weakest link in a midfield almost dominating Barcelona, also consisting of fecking Fred and McTominay is absurd really. It really is absurd. I feel we would have won that game if Pogba was on his game.
This. He's not the guy to hold that midfield together.He's very consistent at disappearing when it's his time to shine on the big stage.
So basically a selective Stat without all the facts? That's poor.
Why not list the numbers and discuss them?
Chelsea : He played all the games against them these 3 seasons bar 1, which are 7 games. Had only 1 significant performance in the cup game this season, in which both his goal and assist against them came. The rest ae forgettable, including a shocker in 4-0.
City : He played 2 games out of 3 in first season and 1 out of 2 last season. None this season so far. Again 1 great performance, and in which both his 2 goals came. The other 2 games were pretty bad.
Liverpool: 2 game in his first season, none in his second season and 1 in this season. Nothing significance in any of these, but ad includes a shocker in the 1-1 game in his first season.
Spurs : One game out of 2 in first season, 2 out of 3 in his second and 2 in the current one. Had 3 very good games against them, 2 of which he assisted in each one of them, and a shocker last season. Overall, usually good against them.
Arsenal : 1 game in his first season, 2 in his second and 2 in the current one. Definitely looks like the best big team he usually performs against, as he had 2 great games last season against them (2 assists and 1 goal) and good game in the cup this season. Even his first game against them in his first season was decent.
So overall he seems to have pretty good stats while playing Arsenal and Spurs, but his record against Chelsea, City and Liverpool is really nothing to look at. 2-3 memorable games in 13 ones, in comparison to about 5-6 memorable games out of 10 against Spurs and Arsenal combined.
Talk about selective and then move the argument I was responding to from “does not show in big games” to “does not show against xyz”. That’s poor.
I'm not overly worried about losing him. He's excellent on his day, one of the best.. but he just doesn't look interested half the time.
You are happy to replace him with a player you don't even know the name of? Excellent.I'm not overly worried about losing him. He's excellent on his day, one of the best.. but he just doesn't look interested half the time.
I'm happy for Bruno Hernandez to replace him as out attacking/creative midfielder of a 3.
@MikeKing i agree, he needs to put much more effort especially in big games that we are expected to get dominated in.
It's funny, people criticise him for not doing the dog work, but praise Mctominay and Fred at the same time. HELLO that's there jobs!, they're in there to do the running and win the ball back.
Pogba's job is to link the midfield to attack and playmake, which I thought he did well enough in considering it was tight and congested.
If Young hadn't been awful things could have been very different.
The top teams can happily double mark him knowing there is no threat from certain players in our team. Until we strike a good balance and have threat on both sides of the pitch players in the middle won’t find space.It doesn't hurt to work harder without the ball to make more of the impact with and without the ball. Without the ball when our team is in possession he should work more harder to create space for himself and make dangerous penetrating runs forward while without the ball don't switch off but use the energy to press and catch the opposition napping.
He just doesn't realize importance of hardwork when he doesn't have the ball and you always feel wanting more from him.
He has been eaisily nullified by top oppositions time and time again but his attitude never changes without the ball.
You are happy to replace him with a player you don't even know the name of? Excellent.
The top teams can happily double mark him knowing there is no threat from certain players in our team. Until we strike a good balance and have threat on both sides of the pitch players in the middle won’t find space.
It’s no coincidence he plays better when we have only 1 striker as the amc with a free role.
I personally think we need to back to the 4231 we started so well with. Mctominay/Fred/martial/Lingard/pogba/Rashford.
Upgrade the RW and RB and we look much stronger again, it’ll give the midfield boys more room.
Or as is MORE likely. Your head needs examining...H
He must have some seriously loose definition of chance!
IndeedThe top teams can happily double mark him knowing there is no threat from certain players in our team. Until we strike a good balance and have threat on both sides of the pitch players in the middle won’t find space.
It’s no coincidence he plays better when we have only 1 striker as the amc with a free role.
I personally think we need to back to the 4231 we started so well with. Mctominay/Fred/martial/Lingard/pogba/Rashford.
Upgrade the RW and RB and we look much stronger again, it’ll give the midfield boys more room.
I agree. Its becoming pointless to discuss Pogba on here. Some people will simply insist on fantasyHonestly mate give up. I think the Football IQ on the caf is at the lowest point I can remember. People just don’t know what they’re watching, most of it’s through hating eyes.
I seriously don’t get what they want him to do? dribble 4 players and smash it top corner and then they’d say he was average?
It’s the same usual characters that just say “rubbish sell him to Madrid” after every game.
Our midfield tonight was fine, upfront was awful and the fullbacks gave us 0 going forward, that’s why we failed score.
Barca dropped off in the 2nd half and shut the space in the middle which is why he got quieter, but his overall level with the ball was fine all game. Only the weirdos in here are calling him out.
Both camps insist on fantasy. Truth is somewhere in the middle.I agree. Its becoming pointless to discuss Pogba on here. Some people will simply insist on fantasy
I agree. Its becoming pointless to discuss Pogba on here. Some people will simply insist on fantasy
The top teams can happily double mark him knowing there is no threat from certain players in our team. Until we strike a good balance and have threat on both sides of the pitch players in the middle won’t find space.
It’s no coincidence he plays better when we have only 1 striker as the amc with a free role.
I personally think we need to back to the 4231 we started so well with. Mctominay/Fred/martial/Lingard/pogba/Rashford.
Upgrade the RW and RB and we look much stronger again, it’ll give the midfield boys more room.