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The attacks on pogba need to stop. He worked hard, gave away the ball, but you need to expect that from him playing in a deep role. The dribbling is his trait.

You should be proud that he worked hard and actually took responsibility to try to create something. So what if he lost the ball, I rather him try to do things because no one else in the team can do what he does.
 

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I don't even know how to judge Pogba's performance. He's not a central midfielder and is being asked to dictate from deep for no reason. He's a creative flair midfielder who bombs forward and does a bit in defence but is prone to turnovers.

He should be played just Infront of the engine room, not at the very heart of it. Ole's daft decision deserved that Palace winner.
 

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He wants to leave because we are shit and he is better than this. Sorry if that offends anyone.
 

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Drop Lingard, push Pogba into a number 10 role in front of MCT and Fred? Think we might have more balance playing like that.
Yep. We will have 11 players contributing instead of 10.
 

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We've had significantly more of the ball in our last two games (and the game we didn't we won 4-0) so we most certainly haven't been overrun in midfield in every game so far
Passing it around under no pressure means nothing. When teams attack us they go through our midfield like it's not there.
 

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Clearly best of a bad bunch yesterday. Creativity comes from him.
The rewriting of the games that happens in this thread is just incredible. He hasn't been best in any of this season games and he most definitely wasn't yesterday.
 

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He is the only midfielder, who is doing something, when the team has the ball. The 5 players ahead of him contribute almost nothing in midfield. I was always critical of Pogba and my opinion hasn't changed much. Yet what is he supposed to do?
He has to play it save, when picking up the ball from the CBs. Yet when he is cautious, he can't do anything but passing it back to a CB/FB, because the 5 other players are hiding for long periods of the game (with the exception of James, who is quite reckless with the ball).
 

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The mistakes come because he’s trying to do everything himself, he’s tasked with getting the ball up the pitch into the final third because full backs and Mctominay always lay it of to him for the simple pass, then when he does get it forward he’s also expected to unlock the defence.
Yup, absolutely this. Half the team passes it to him and expects him to do something. No one else seems interested in taking responsibility.

Of course be is going to lose the ball if he is burdened with the entire creativity of the team.

He can be lazy at times and dilly dally around, but I don't think that happened yesterday.
 

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The problem at the club is alot to do with attitude, as someone alluded to in earlier post, flicks and tricks are for youtube video's, not 3 o'clock saturday afternoon.

The notion that Pogba is the only creative source in the team is also daff, as compared to Liverpool, who yesterday fielded a midfield of Henderson, Wini and Fabinho, who are not creative players by trade, kills that arguement.

PLayers pass the ball to Pogba, because partially his fault and his peers, the media and fans, have given him a god like status, Paul is talented and see's himself as a Zidane esqe, but lacks the understanding of time and space., to play the 10 role that many fans have coverted. By pushing him further up will improve his numbers, as it did for two months, but people quickly dismiss the fact, that most of his good work was against the canon fodder, as some would reference in the league.

Paul lacks the humility and self sacrifice, along with the finesse needed to play the '10' role, and to compound issues, half heartedily presses opponents.

People will say look at his time at Juve, but many forget that he had a back five, plus two in midfield, to hide his deficiencies, and the premier league is a completely different beast.

The fact that his mistake yesterday, lead to a goal, is unfortunate for him, but questions must be asked of the team defensive structure or positioning as a whole. However Paul came thru our academy, and the fact he still hangs onto the ball for too long, and his 1st instinct, is to try and roll the ball under his feet, is what i would take more issue with, as that is inexcusable, that time and time again, he tries and the same trick and puts his fellow professionals under pressure.

Football just like Basketball is about pass and move, coupled with defensive shape and transistions.

Paul plays world class passses, but he is far away from being a world class player. The idea that him going to Madrid would change that is also daft, as he needs two players baby sitting for him. The truth is if he had knuckled down and listened to Mourinho, he would be playing like beckham in that, he would take one touch to steady the ball and the second touch would be a pass, anywhere in the midfield, tackles would not be as so much required from him, but his reading of the game would be better and he would make alot of interceptions ala Modric. Or if he was hell bent on playing the '10' role, again he would of knuckled down, and improved areas of his game that supports that role.

Maybe the answer to helping Pogba fufill his potential is swtiching to 352, as any of our midfielder alongside Mc T, and wAn Bissaka and Luke Shaw provding width, with the two up top, and one dropping back to link up play, would not only give us a steady base, but the width for Pogba to utilize his passing range.
 

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Clearly best of a bad bunch yesterday. Creativity comes from him.
He really wasn't. Pogba is as bad as the rest, and was worse than many yesterday.
He wants to leave because we are shit and he is better than this. Sorry if that offends anyone.
He really isn't better at all. It's a myth that fanboys and youtube-jockeys have fallen for. The amount of times he loses the ball because he is pi55ing about is plain to see.
 

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He needs to be played further up the field with another creative midfielder and support behind him. In that advanced free role we saw when Ole first joined, he is frankly, unstoppable. That's when we see link up between Rashford, Martial and him that other teams can't handle. When you push him back and worse yet, plug in Jesse or Mata everything turns sour.

Rashford. Martial
Pogba Bruno/Eriksen
Longstaff. McTominay

That kind of 4-2-2-2 would be brilliant

I'll take this for the season:

Rash. Martial
Pogba. Gomes/Sanchez
Fred. McTominay
 

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Imagine, for a moment, a player who over the course of a campaign could make more tackles than Virgil Van Dijk, complete more dribbles than Sadio Mane, win possession more times than Fernandinho, head more balls than Harry Kane, create more chances than Leroy Sane and succeed in more duels than N’Golo Kante.

It sounds implausible, doesn’t it? A character confected by some Xbox teenager on Fifa, perhaps. But – and you know where this is going – those comparatives were all true of a certain Manchester United player last season. While these particular statistics have been cherry-picked to illustrate a point, the breadth of Paul Pogba’s talent means he ranks highly across a remarkable range of measures.

Ahead of Saturday’s 2-1 defeat by Crystal Palace, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was asked whether the focus on Pogba provokes any irritation. “It doesn’t frustrate me, we expect a lot from him,” said Solskjaer. “But we know we can’t get Roy Keane, Veron, Scholes, Giggs, Cantona in one player. It’s hard. But he is a top, top player.”

We saw the two sides of Pogba again on Saturday. He conceded possession unnecessarily in midfield for Patrick van Aanholt’s injury-time winner. But, minutes earlier, he had delivered the stimulus to seemingly avert defeat, tackling Wilfried Zaha and providing a quick pass forwards to catch Palace out of shape.

Solskjaer said of Pogba after the match: “I thought, as (with) the rest of the team, he grew in the game, and he wins the ball really well for our goal. He played some great passes. We know that he’s gonna want the ball all the time. He knows that. Yeah he lost the ball, but he’ll lose the ball again, and he’ll try again. No problem with that.”

It was the best and worst of Pogba in a matter of moments. But the bad, as Solskjaer alluded, is borne from the good. Studying his performance against Palace in detail was to appreciate the duty he feels to make things happen in a team short on technique in tight spaces. This can link to his mistakes.

That is not to absolve Pogba. He didn’t need to linger on the ball searching for the perfect pass, inviting Christian Benteke’s tackle, having already turned out of trouble brilliantly. His subsequent failure to launch a recovery run recalled to mind the acid observation of Roy Keane, one of Solskjaer’s comparisons. “He’s a problem. You’ve got to run back when you’re defending,” Keane said in April.

United did have six in cover, however, and David De Gea should not be letting shots such as Van Aanholt’s squirm through his body at the near post.

Palace’s centre forwards, Jordan Ayew and then Benteke from 75 minutes onwards, were told to make sure Pogba could not come deep and spray the ball around. So Pogba instead played higher up, as his pass map from the match illustrates. The closer to Palace’s box, the greater ratio of yellow lines, which correspond to passes missed, illustrating the difficulty of finding that killer incision.

There was one cross-field pass swept majestically to Ashley Young in the 47th minute that resulted in a Dan James shot blocked by Van Aanholt. And his whipped ball to Anthony Martial from the right after tackling Zaha meant that United had men over on the left for James to score.

Seconds before that he had seen a sharp, straight pass intercepted by Zaha — the desperation of United’s situation hastening an attempt through a congested path.

Sometimes it was his team-mates who erred. In the 50th minute Pogba fizzed a ball into Jesse Lingard, who miscontrolled. Pogba could not hide his frustration. There was another moment when Martial misread Pogba’s intentions and dropped deep when the ball was over the top. On other occasions United’s front three were too static.

Team-mates contributed at times. Rashford found Luke Shaw in the box with a clever pass and Scott McTominay’s burst into the area drew the foul which won United their penalty. But from the start it was primarily Pogba who set about trying to prise apart what everybody knew would be a deep Palace defence. And to this end, after a troubling week, there was particular support from the stands.

Before kick-off fans in the Stretford End went through with their promise of expressing solidarity with a player racially abused on Twitter after his penalty miss against Wolves.

“One Paul Pogba,” went up, as it did on three other occasions in the first half. Nameer Alsaadawi, a 55-year-old fan from Sweden, was one singing. He had a Pogba shirt on too.

“Everyone can make a mistake,” he told The Athletic beforehand. “He can afford that because he does so much for the team. I wear this shirt with more pride today.”

Mark Bennett, 27, and Paul Hobson, 34, two friends and lifelong United supporters, chanted likewise.

“He is the best player we’ve got,” said Bennett. “It comes with price tag and all the fanfare, there is that expectation.”

Hobson added: “Because of his name and who he plays for there will be that stick. We’re not the best team in the world right now but we are still the most talked about. That is why Pogba gets criticism. He is put on a different pedestal. It is about getting behind someone we need to.”

Pogba himself tweeted in response to the abuse he suffered following that penalty miss. Alongside a picture of him holding his son while standing next to artwork depicting his father Fassou Antoine and Martin Luther King, Pogba wrote: “My ancestors and my parents suffered for my generation to be free today, to work, to take the bus, to play football. Racist insults are ignorance and can only make me stronger and motivate me to fight for the next generation.”

Clearly, events from last week’s draw at Molineux were in play in the 14th minute when Pogba let Rashford take a free-kick 30 yards out. It went wide. Same again in the 23rd minute from the edge of the box. Rashford put this one just over. Having ceded twice, Pogba took the third free-kick from 20 yards and went closer still, curling the ball slightly too high.

There was only ever going to be one penalty-taker when the moment came. Pogba did not even get involved in the conversation because the decision had been made before kick-off. Did the added focus increase the pressure ever so marginally on Rashford though, as he struck his shot against the post?

Pogba had the most touches by any player on the pitch, with 100, and seemed the most likely catalyst for a breakthrough. There were one-twos with Rashford in the first and second half which nearly worked but Palace frequently crowded him in numbers. In the eighth minute he managed to fend off Luka Milivojevic, Cheikhou Kouyate and Ayew in one go to find Martial. Seven minutes later Kouyate and Ayew launched a tandem attack but Pogba kept hold long enough to release Lingard, who burst away to win a foul.

Pogba also won five headers (only outdone by Harry Maguire’s seven) and made two tackles (only bettered by Kouyate’s three), statistics which bring us back to the start of this piece and an explanation of a bold statement.

Here goes: last season Pogba made 30 tackles (Van Dijk: 28), 60 dribbles (Mane: 51), won possession 218 times (Fernandinho: 162), headed 120 balls (Kane: 117), created 55 chances (Sane: 40), and won 234 duels (Kante: 146). Clearly there are reasons for each little victory, but the point remains: he can do a lot of different things on a pitch. More importantly, this is what he is asked to do by a United team not blessed in midfield or with world-class talent.

Pogba played in the Champions League final in 2015 with Juventus. He had Andrea Pirlo and Arturo Vidal alongside him. Pogba won the World Cup with France last year. He had Kante next to him. Criticism is justified but it needs to be measured. He cannot be everything at once.

United tried to sign Christian Erikssen this summer, a player who would have added genuine technical quality to support Pogba, and at one stage a deal appeared possible. But Erikssen wanted to hold out for Real Madrid and United declined to press ahead on other options. That looks a mistake, which might need to be addressed in January.

There will be more questions about Pogba’s own future come the new year, too. He would have 18 months left on his current contract then. And, while he kept his counsel this summer once United had set his price at £150 million and it became clear Real did not have the funds, that could alter if the club have more afternoons like Saturday.
From some subscription based publication.
 

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Thought he played well until the end of the match where he made a couple of errors out of desperation. This team though cant use what he brings the table cause those ahead of him are incompetent. He passes great balls all the time but no one ever makes use of them. A decade ago when Scholes used to give our attackers service they used to make use of it, sadly in this team it ends up being wasted.
 

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He's playing in a midfield which comprises of Mctominay and Lingard ffs. I can't believe Ole let us going into this season with both of them as starters.

It was so obvious at the weekend and the match before against Wolves that both of them are clearly out of their depth. Pogba was the only one in both games who actually did something with the ball.
 

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I am honestly surprised that he has not engineered a move away from United. I mean anyone who wants to win the PL or the CL would want away. He has won the Serie A and the WC and now obviously wants to win the CL and for sure he is not going to win it next year too with United. Neither is he going to win the PL either and not sure even if can get to play in the Europa next season.
 

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Also, to give him even more credit:

Despite being our only player bar Martial to do anything in possession, he also made 4 tackles. For comparison, McTominay made 0. The next best were Lingard and Lindelof with 2.
 

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He wants to leave because we are shit and he is better than this. Sorry if that offends anyone.
Yeah, can't see the issue with him wanting to leave. He's in the prime years of his career and is good enough to be challenging for major trophies, whereas his team clearly arent. Most top players dont want to waste their very best years in a dysfunctional team that has major issues that have persisted for years.
 

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He really wasn't. Pogba is as bad as the rest, and was worse than many yesterday.

He really isn't better at all. It's a myth that fanboys and youtube-jockeys have fallen for. The amount of times he loses the ball because he is pi55ing about is plain to see.
He isn't pissing about, though. He's having to do everything by himself because, bar Martial and Rashford on occasion, no one else does anything.
 

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He really wasn't. Pogba is as bad as the rest, and was worse than many yesterday.

He really isn't better at all. It's a myth that fanboys and youtube-jockeys have fallen for. The amount of times he loses the ball because he is pi55ing about is plain to see.
Absolutely false. It's amazing to see you deny reality. This website's player rating had him as one of our best players. Whoscored him as one of our best players. Everywhere has him as one of our best players. His teammates have him as one of our best players. His peers voted him as one of the best players in the league. His world cup national team manager considers him one of the best players on the team. Conte and Allegri considered him one of his best players on the team.

You're irrational.

The problem at the club is alot to do with attitude, as someone alluded to in earlier post, flicks and tricks are for youtube video's, not 3 o'clock saturday afternoon.

The notion that Pogba is the only creative source in the team is also daff, as compared to Liverpool, who yesterday fielded a midfield of Henderson, Wini and Fabinho, who are not creative players by trade, kills that arguement.

PLayers pass the ball to Pogba, because partially his fault and his peers, the media and fans, have given him a god like status, Paul is talented and see's himself as a Zidane esqe, but lacks the understanding of time and space., to play the 10 role that many fans have coverted. By pushing him further up will improve his numbers, as it did for two months, but people quickly dismiss the fact, that most of his good work was against the canon fodder, as some would reference in the league.

Paul lacks the humility and self sacrifice, along with the finesse needed to play the '10' role, and to compound issues, half heartedily presses opponents.
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Liverpool have Firminho who is a creative player, and also have TAA and Robertson as attacking fullbacks.
 
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I feel bad for Pogba. They say you should never go back but he came back to Utd on the assurance that we were going to return to the top by spending money on players like Zlatan with managers like Mourinho. He signed a very long contract of five plus one years, effectively the best days of his playing career.

When he got here he realized that the signings were a flash in the pan and the club was being bled dry by the Glazers with Mourinho not being given enough support. He had to sit through periods like summer ‘18 when, despite much-needed replacements, we got a backup CM and a backup RB.

He was clearly becoming the best midfielder in the world, winning the World Cup, but at his club he was being used as a smokescreen for the fans to paper over the absence of spending by the Glazers. They made free, short-term mercenary signings like Alexis who, despite not performing, was earning double his wages.

Now he (and De Gea) are stuck in the club who can’t let them go because they know the fans will turn on them but will also not assemble the team that could actually win. Full transfer windows are going by like January ‘19 and summer ‘19 but gaping holes exist in the squad without being filled.

The Academy (read players like Lingard) is being used to sell another distraction, the belief in youth, but the reality is that this strategy is chosen only because it is cheap and therefore not likely to succeed.

These Glazer owners have a terrible track record in business and the management of sports, have no equity or money of their own, leveraged up to buy Man Utd equity with debt (any of us on this forum could have done the same with a Letter of Credit from a bank, where were the regulators when this happened?), and have put a crushing interest burden upon the club in addition to the regular withdrawals the Glazer family makes for their own expenses.

None of this is Pogba’s fault who just wanted to play at the highest level and worked for decades to get there. So, given the circumstances, I think he is doing a great job by buckling down to do his job by trying to get these players to win and we shouldn’t blame him if sometimes he doesn’t have the desire to try.
 

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Unleash Pogba.

Fred, Pereira and Pogba in a midfield 3 and let Pogs push forward leaving Pereira and Fred to hang back and clean up. Atleast these two are a bit more dynamic than McTominay and Lingaard.
 

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Some of the hate from our fan base towards him is disgusting.

He’s an incredible midfielder to have at the club and the one player who gets the fans off their seats the most. Joy to watch on the ball.

We just aren’t using him right. Messi loses the ball quite a lot some games but it’s fine since he doesn’t play holding playmaker with Mctominnay.

McTomminay has been awful these first 3 games btw. Pogba has to hold his hand when we are in possession.
 

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Yeah, can't see the issue with him wanting to leave. He's in the prime years of his career and is good enough to be challenging for major trophies, whereas his team clearly arent. Most top players dont want to waste their very best years in a dysfunctional team that has major issues that have persisted for years.
It really is as simple as that.
 

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Just signed up in here, i know it's late to bring this up but I've been wondering what happened up to the city game last year.
Paul Pogba is going to his usually haircutter.. I try to imagine what happens when Paul asks to get a blue hairpaint.. You're fu@$%ng me arent you Paul, you guys are playing city next??!! Somehow he persuades the stylist to paint his hair, not dark blue, not ordinary blue, but city f$#%&ng blue.

In hindsight he should never have had the chance to be in the squad with that haircut.

Try to think how we had reacted after the game, had he not been so incredibly lucky (and skilled) to score those two goals, and frek me - Mike Smalling of all people steps up and win us the game.

Had those freak events not happened we would have slaughtered Paul after the game and rightly so, it was a betrayal to the club and to the fanbase.

Let him leave in the summer and get someone in who wants to be here.
 

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Absolutely false. It's amazing to see you deny reality. This website's player rating had him as one of our best players. Whoscored him as one of our best players. Everywhere has him as one of our best players. His teammates have him as one of our best players. His peers voted him as one of the best players in the league. His world cup national team manager considers him one of the best players on the team. Conte and Allegri considered him one of his best players on the team.

You're irrational.


Liverpool have Firminho who is a creative player, and also have TAA and Robertson as attacking fullbacks.
People saying pleasentries for the camera is just a social norm of being polite.

If everything on websites like whoscored was on point, then betting shops, would loose more than they gain, every weekend.
His national team manager does not trust him, hence the reason, there are two players baby sitting for him, in the form of Matuidi and Kante, Deschamp's has outweighed the risk against the reward. But then again is the manager not the player at fault for playing him in a two, at a detriment to how France play football, which by the way, is awful, for the talent at their disposal.

France vs Belguim, in the last world cup is an example.

As for Conte and Allegri, neither of them have expressed anything negative about Pogba's attitude or application, all Allegri said last year is he was happy to see Pogba maturing, and Conte has only alluded to Pogba being a fantastic player.

Allegri and Conte played Pogba in a false left midfielder role, his starting position was closer to Pirlo and Mashcino, but was tasked with pushing out to the left during games, to make use of his precision passing ability over distance, in thier favoured 352 formation, although both did try 433, before reverting back to type.

You pointed out that TTA, Robertson and Firmino are creative, well don't we have Luke Shaw,Bissaka and Martial, and Firmino is not Liverpools creative source, he's a link man, that allows wide men to push up, or get into favourable one on one positions, against the oppostion fullbacks, just like the masterclass performance from Greizmann over the weekend against Real Betis.

For any and every manager Paul will be problem, not because of his attitude or application, but his freespirit nature, and his strength.
It would be nice to see him as a 10, but short passing is not his strength, although, i would say he is above average in that area, but Paul is too self indulgent, and those sort of roles are played by those who scarifice themselves for the team and take pleasure in their contribution than the act itself.

If he could just tweak his game slightly, he would be a different player over night, he really should of been watching and letting Greizmann mentor him over the last few years, with a view of challenging him for his spot.
 

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People saying pleasentries for the camera is just a social norm of being polite.

If everything on websites like whoscored was on point, then betting shops, would loose more than they gain, every weekend.
His national team manager does not trust him, hence the reason, there are two players baby sitting for him, in the form of Matuidi and Kante, Deschamp's has outweighed the risk against the reward. But then again is the manager not the player at fault for playing him in a two, at a detriment to how France play football, which by the way, is awful, for the talent at their disposal.

France vs Belguim, in the last world cup is an example.


As for Conte and Allegri, neither of them have expressed anything negative about Pogba's attitude or application, all Allegri said last year is he was happy to see Pogba maturing, and Conte has only alluded to Pogba being a fantastic player.

Allegri and Conte played Pogba in a false left midfielder role, his starting position was closer to Pirlo and Mashcino, but was tasked with pushing out to the left during games, to make use of his precision passing ability over distance, in thier favoured 352 formation, although both did try 433, before reverting back to type.

You pointed out that TTA, Robertson and Firmino are creative, well don't we have Luke Shaw,Bissaka and Martial, and Firmino is not Liverpools creative source, he's a link man, that allows wide men to push up, or get into favourable one on one positions, against the oppostion fullbacks, just like the masterclass performance from Greizmann over the weekend against Real Betis.

For any and every manager Paul will be problem, not because of his attitude or application, but his freespirit nature, and his strength.
It would be nice to see him as a 10, but short passing is not his strength, although, i would say he is above average in that area, but Paul is too self indulgent, and those sort of roles are played by those who scarifice themselves for the team and take pleasure in their contribution than the act itself.

If he could just tweak his game slightly, he would be a different player over night, he really should of been watching and letting Greizmann mentor him over the last few years, with a view of challenging him for his spot.
Belgium decided to play possession and did so without creating any chance, France played the most suited football to counterattack. France had more scoring chances. You're making it sound like France decided to play like that to spite the world, it just was the tactic that gave us the best shot.
 

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Also, to give him even more credit:

Despite being our only player bar Martial to do anything in possession, he also made 4 tackles. For comparison, McTominay made 0. The next best were Lingard and Lindelof with 2.
He is so good he can even do other players jobs and still create for the strikers. Incredible player.
 
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He's a super talented player. Don't get me wrong. But I have seen better players at United. Players who, on their own, could elevate our level. Our mistake in this entire business is keeping a player who doesn't want to be here. Overhauling our entire midfield in necessary; not worrying about which players to get in order to get the best out of him. I'm not a Pogba hater as some are. In fact, he is one of my favourite players.
Buying Matic to get the best out of him was a costly mistake is now a well known fact by now.
We need cumulative improvement in midfield by buying three midfielders next summer together with the sale of Frenchman.
 

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He's a super talented player. Don't get me wrong. But I have seen better players at United. Players who, on their own, could elevate our level. Our mistake in this entire business is keeping a player who doesn't want to be here. Overhauling our entire midfield in necessary; not worrying about which players to get in order to get the best out of him. I'm not a Pogba hater as some are. In fact, he is one of my favourite players.
Buying Matic to get the best out of him was a costly mistake is now a well known fact by now.
We need cumulative improvement in midfield by buying three midfielders next summer together with the sale of Frenchman.
I don't understand why people use this, Matic wasn't signed to get best out of Pogba, he was signed to help the team and improve the midfield. Same with Fred and any other player.
 

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I don't understand why people use this, Matic wasn't signed to get best out of Pogba, he was signed to help the team and improve the midfield. Same with Fred and any other player.
Particularly when Matic isn't even the ideal partner for Pogba. Depending on your setup, you either want a mobile destroyer in a 4231 or a deep lying playmaker in a 433. Matic was bought for Mourinho who had a plan that didn't really work.
 

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Particularly when Matic isn't even the ideal partner for Pogba. Depending on your setup, you either want a mobile destroyer in a 4231 or a deep lying playmaker in a 433. Matic was bought for Mourinho who had a plan that didn't really work.
Yeah, it looked like both played box to box in the first few games, where both played well. I for one was very excited with the pair, they were all over the place in a good way but it didn't go well beyond first few games. Pogba lacks defensive reading of the game, Matic didn't have legs to cover the defense.
 

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Just signed up in here, i know it's late to bring this up but I've been wondering what happened up to the city game last year.
Paul Pogba is going to his usually haircutter.. I try to imagine what happens when Paul asks to get a blue hairpaint.. You're fu@$%ng me arent you Paul, you guys are playing city next??!! Somehow he persuades the stylist to paint his hair, not dark blue, not ordinary blue, but city f$#%&ng blue.

In hindsight he should never have had the chance to be in the squad with that haircut.

Try to think how we had reacted after the game, had he not been so incredibly lucky (and skilled) to score those two goals, and frek me - Mike Smalling of all people steps up and win us the game.

Had those freak events not happened we would have slaughtered Paul after the game and rightly so, it was a betrayal to the club and to the fanbase.

Let him leave in the summer and get someone in who wants to be here.
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I don't understand why people use this, Matic wasn't signed to get best out of Pogba, he was signed to help the team and improve the midfield. Same with Fred and any other player.
Well if you ask me, needing to buy any specific player “to get the best out of” another player is a horrific waste of resources. You don’t see any other footballers who are as good as Pogba is supposed to be needing that sort of mollycoddling. Liverpool and City’s players keep performing consistently in all sorts of different XI’s. You didn’t see Messi and Ronaldo fall to pieces when they had to adapt to a completely different set-up behind them.

We should be attempting to sign (or promote) the best possible player in every position, not signing specific players we think Pogba needs to do his job properly. It’s an even more stupid idea given the possibility he might bugger off to another club at any given transfer window.
 

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People saying pleasentries for the camera is just a social norm of being polite.

If everything on websites like whoscored was on point, then betting shops, would loose more than they gain, every weekend.
His national team manager does not trust him, hence the reason, there are two players baby sitting for him, in the form of Matuidi and Kante, Deschamp's has outweighed the risk against the reward. But then again is the manager not the player at fault for playing him in a two, at a detriment to how France play football, which by the way, is awful, for the talent at their disposal.

France vs Belguim, in the last world cup is an example.

As for Conte and Allegri, neither of them have expressed anything negative about Pogba's attitude or application, all Allegri said last year is he was happy to see Pogba maturing, and Conte has only alluded to Pogba being a fantastic player.

Allegri and Conte played Pogba in a false left midfielder role, his starting position was closer to Pirlo and Mashcino, but was tasked with pushing out to the left during games, to make use of his precision passing ability over distance, in thier favoured 352 formation, although both did try 433, before reverting back to type.

You pointed out that TTA, Robertson and Firmino are creative, well don't we have Luke Shaw,Bissaka and Martial, and Firmino is not Liverpools creative source, he's a link man, that allows wide men to push up, or get into favourable one on one positions, against the oppostion fullbacks, just like the masterclass performance from Greizmann over the weekend against Real Betis.

For any and every manager Paul will be problem, not because of his attitude or application, but his freespirit nature, and his strength.
It would be nice to see him as a 10, but short passing is not his strength, although, i would say he is above average in that area, but Paul is too self indulgent, and those sort of roles are played by those who scarifice themselves for the team and take pleasure in their contribution than the act itself.

If he could just tweak his game slightly, he would be a different player over night, he really should of been watching and letting Greizmann mentor him over the last few years, with a view of challenging him for his spot.
There's a difference between wanting him to be played further forward as in just like you described for Juve, and playing him as a 10. He doesn't have to play as a 10 to be further forward compared to now. If people are putting him at the 10 spot, you should be just brush off those comments putting him there. It's clear he's been an 8 in a midfield 3 for a while now.

Baby sit? He played Pogba and Kante for large parts of the run because they were 2 of his best midfielders and compliment one another. It's so strange that you look at Pogba as needing to be baby sat by Kante, yet when it comes to attacking responsibility, Pogba doesn't babysit Kante. Funny how that works.
Only Pogba needs to be babysit. This whole time I just thought it was managers selecting the best team possible and selecting players who best fit one another.

And are you seriously here suggesting that AWB and Shaw are the attacking equivalent of Robertson and TAA? Come on man. Be better than that. And Firmino is creative. He's doing that job as a false 9 and he is a linkman, but that doesn't take away his importance to his sides attack. Yes he's a big part of the reason why their attack is deadly.

And even if I were to grant you that Liverpool point, what does that have to do with United heavily relying on Pogba for creativity? Klopp has a well worked system that he has proven to implement the past decade. Ole hasn't recreated that and it's clear we are relying on Pogba. Our other players aren't creative players and never have been apart from Mata. That's a fact.

Well if you ask me, needing to buy any specific player “to get the best out of” another player is a horrific waste of resources. You don’t see any other footballers who are as good as Pogba is supposed to be needing that sort of mollycoddling. Liverpool and City’s players keep performing consistently in all sorts of different XI’s. You didn’t see Messi and Ronaldo fall to pieces when they had to adapt to a completely different set-up behind them.

We should be attempting to sign (or promote) the best possible player in every position, not signing specific players we think Pogba needs to do his job properly. It’s an even more stupid idea given the possibility he might bugger off to another club at any given transfer window.
That is not what is happening. We're not needing a DM for Pogba. We need one because the team as a whole benefits. If we had a DM instead of Pogba, we would now be missing a creative midfielder and we could still be missing that passing maestro the team needs. Similarly if we were to move Pogba further forward in a midfield 3, we're now lacking someone who can bring the ball out to better supply all of our attacking players. It's not a case of catering to Pogba.

A lot of you guys frame it that way for whatever reason. Every manager buys players that fit their system or buys players that fit the rest of his lineup. Do you think we shouldn't do that? If we were to buy a RW would we be catering to AWB and Martial?

The latter part is something I agree with. I just don't see how it's catering to Pogba by bolstering our midfield.
 
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Well if you ask me, needing to buy any specific player “to get the best out of” another player is a horrific waste of resources. You don’t see any other footballers who are as good as Pogba is supposed to be needing that sort of mollycoddling. Liverpool and City’s players keep performing consistently in all sorts of different XI’s. You didn’t see Messi and Ronaldo fall to pieces when they had to adapt to a completely different set-up behind them.

We should be attempting to sign (or promote) the best possible player in every position, not signing specific players we think Pogba needs to do his job properly. It’s an even more stupid idea given the possibility he might bugger off to another club at any given transfer window.
Yeah agree with that. You don't buy any player to get best out of 1 player, you sign players to improve the team. I don't think we signed any midfielder to get best out of Pogba, we did to improve the midfield and the team.

Regarding Pogba or any other player, it's important to play as a team. He isn't defensively good, don't think anyone will argue otherwise. He lacks awareness of what's going around him, defensive positioning and lacks instinct. So when you play him deeper, you are not playing to his strengths and also at the same team we are creating a defensive hole in the team. His best form was when he played advanced role, making runs to the box and creating chances in the final third.

Teams when attacked went through the midfield as if it's not there. Not to excuse Pogba but when you play defensive minded players as advanced midfielder and expect him to create chances, score goals you will end up with not getting best out of the players and team. We have same situation.
 

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Also, to give him even more credit:

Despite being our only player bar Martial to do anything in possession, he also made 4 tackles. For comparison, McTominay made 0. The next best were Lingard and Lindelof with 2.
2 of those tackles arose from him losing possession in the first place to be fair.
 
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