Phil Jones

Rozay

Master of Hindsight
Joined
Oct 22, 2012
Messages
27,520
Location
...
He was excellent tonight. Glad to see he's still actually allowed to play in his position at times. Needs to be done more often to avoid a new O'Shea occurance.
 

I'm always right

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 4, 2009
Messages
15,912
Location
Mêlée Island
Still think he could be a great CM!
I just can't see it at all. Touch isn't good enough, passing isn't good enough, awareness isn't good enough, not good enough in tight spaces.

In the 80's he might have been good in there as a driving force, but I just feel you need so much more in today's game.
 

Carl

has permanently erect nipples
Joined
Mar 6, 2008
Messages
45,494
I think that's 2 games where he's played CB for the full game this season and he's been very good in both.
 

Carl

has permanently erect nipples
Joined
Mar 6, 2008
Messages
45,494
Against Spurs i would play him in midfield alongside Carrick and Cleverley probably at the expense of Valencia.
Why? Carrick-Cleverley has done excellently in the big games this season. Why do we need Jones inmidfield against Spurs?? Spurs for feck sake!
 

Forevergiggs

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 8, 2012
Messages
3,216
Location
Gypsy
Considering how they beat us comprehensively earlier in the season, It wouldn't be a bad idea.
They beat us when we had an off-form Carrick and Scholes, who started in the midfield. Giggs also started the game.

Now we have an excellent Carrick, a burgeoning Carrick-Clev partnership and Rooney back to start the game. There is no need to go ultra-defensive with Jones in the midfield. Spurs are not some great European powerhouse. They are a decent PL outfit with Scotty Parker and Dembele in the middle.
 

Anduin

Full Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2008
Messages
5,580
Location
Magical Manchester United.
Considering how they beat us comprehensively earlier in the season, It wouldn't be a bad idea.
We had Giggs, Scholes and Carrick in Zombie mode in midfield in the first half. We absolutely battered them when Rooney came on at half-time for Scholes IIRC, should've won anout 6-3 if not for fantastic goalkeeping and awesome defending/luck by Spurs.
Our team is much better now, much more balanced, RvP is in top form and Spurs are missing Kaboul, Sandro, Adebayor and BAE. Got to say I'm not too worried, Carrick, Cleverley, Welbeck, Kagawa, Rooney & RVP should be good enough to win it. Especially as it seems we're getting better defensively as well, only conceded three goals in our last five games.
 

Maciej

Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Messages
12,097
Location
Włocławek, Poland
If you like such stats.

Phil Jones for us so far: 50 appearances.
19(3) at right-back /44%/, 13(2) at centre-back /30%/, 7(6) in midfield /26%/.
 

Cina

full member
Joined
Aug 10, 2007
Messages
50,912
Your tagline :lol:

Jones just needs more games in CB, he shouldn't continuously be shafted right back or into central midfield.
 

Carl

has permanently erect nipples
Joined
Mar 6, 2008
Messages
45,494
Considering how they beat us comprehensively earlier in the season, It wouldn't be a bad idea.
...

They beat us when we had an off-form Carrick and Scholes, who started in the midfield. Giggs also started the game.

Now we have an excellent Carrick, a burgeoning Carrick-Clev partnership and Rooney back to start the game. There is no need to go ultra-defensive with Jones in the midfield. Spurs are not some great European powerhouse. They are a decent PL outfit with Scotty Parker and Dembele in the middle.
 

Dargonk

Ninja Scout
Scout
Joined
Dec 7, 2010
Messages
18,793
Location
Australia
Was good today at CB. I'd like to see him get more games there in future, though he still has a lot of work to get up the pecking order. Leave the RB spot to Rafael and let Jones fight for the CB spots
 

Brightonian

Full Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2012
Messages
14,137
Location
Juanderlust
Has anyone noticed his neat way of defending crosses if he's on the first man? Instead of trying to challenge for the header from behind his man, and risking the attacker just flicking it on over him, he just jumps straight up. If the attacker flicks the ball on, it hits Jones in the face. If the attacker doesn't make contact, it hits him on the chest. It's absolutely foolproof - I've yet to see him do it and not block the ball in.

Watch for it. Once you've seen it once, you'll start notice him doing it constantly.
 

Solius

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Staff
Joined
Dec 31, 2007
Messages
87,592
Has anyone noticed his neat way of defending crosses if he's on the first man? Instead of trying to challenge for the header from behind his man, and risking the attacker just flicking it on over him, he just jumps straight up. If the attacker flicks the ball on, it hits Jones in the face. If the attacker doesn't make contact, it hits him on the chest. It's absolutely foolproof - I've yet to see him do it and not block the ball in.

Watch for it. Once you've seen it once, you'll start notice him doing it constantly.
:lol: I have this image of him leaping like a salmon. Will look out for it.
 

MrMojo

New Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2011
Messages
3,629
Location
Manchester
We're going to have a seriously good backline in a few years time, potentially better than 07/08.

Between Jones and the Da Silva's the defence is going to have an old school kind of threat about it.
 

Jonno

Full Member
Joined
Mar 5, 2010
Messages
8,375
Location
Preston, Lancashire
Has anyone noticed his neat way of defending crosses if he's on the first man? Instead of trying to challenge for the header from behind his man, and risking the attacker just flicking it on over him, he just jumps straight up. If the attacker flicks the ball on, it hits Jones in the face. If the attacker doesn't make contact, it hits him on the chest. It's absolutely foolproof - I've yet to see him do it and not block the ball in.

Watch for it. Once you've seen it once, you'll start notice him doing it constantly.
I have spotted him doing that. Proper old fashioned hard defending. About time. I thought when we signed him and still think now, he could be the hardest player we've had since Keano.
 

Ruud10

A Bit Wordy
Joined
Apr 23, 2010
Messages
4,919
Location
California
Your tagline :lol:

Jones just needs more games in CB, he shouldn't continuously be shafted right back or into central midfield.
I love this kid, who I believe will turn 21 next month. Ideally, Jonesey would get more work in at CB but I don't see where the chances will come from this season unless we go deep in our FA Cup run.

To my eye, his best position is CB but I really can also see him evolve into a defensive midfielder. His touch is actually pretty decent. Not silky, but definitely efficient. Especially if we pull out a 4231 on occasion Jonesey could pair with Carrick, who I'd like to see push up the pitch more often.

He's got a long career ahead of him. May they all be as a United man!
 

NinjaFletch

Full Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2009
Messages
19,818
He's got a future in that Makelele role, but nothing more, he's not a good enough footballer (and by that I mean with the ball at his feet) to do anything more than a very limited role in midfield.

Did his job though, fair play to him.
 

Nate Dogg

Don't Make Me Angry
Joined
Mar 6, 2002
Messages
8,744
Location
UK
Played quite well, full of energy and never shy to receive and pass the ball.
 

johnmufc

New Member
Joined
May 10, 2009
Messages
4,521
He defended very well, but several times a dreadful pass or heavy first touch ruined promising attacks. He is not a midfielder, but he is a very promising young defender with a great attitude.
 

KM

I’m afraid I just blue myself
Joined
Sep 18, 2008
Messages
49,801
Was very disciplined. Very good to see.
 

Cevno

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 21, 2007
Messages
6,651
Played well today. Was his kind of game and the role suited him.
 

Cina

full member
Joined
Aug 10, 2007
Messages
50,912
He was defensively great, but not strong enough at most other aspects required of a midfielder.
 

Cevno

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 21, 2007
Messages
6,651
He was defensively great, but not strong enough at most other aspects required of a midfielder.
He made some great attacking runs down the Channel, as did Cleverley..
 

forevrared

Full Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2009
Messages
5,385
Location
Bay Area
Fantastic in the 'bulldog' role, but I'm not sure he's got the passing ability to play midfield in anything but a 3, though.
 

NinjaFletch

Full Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2009
Messages
19,818
He made some great attacking runs down the Channel, as did Cleverley..
Problem is though, he well and truly fecks it up when he gets in those positions.

I think he's better off not making the runs rather than risking being out of position.

Play as the water carrier and do all the dirty work and let others do the attacking.
 
Joined
Jun 24, 2004
Messages
33,953
Location
Red man down in London town
I appreciate his versatility. Bale didn't have much joy and that was partly due to him and others covering the right flank so well. It was a little bit frustrating when he would carry the ball so well and then mess up the final ball. But he's so enthusiastic we should encourage it. He's shown that he can affect the game at both ends of the pitch.

Don't expect him to be a solution in that midfield position, but a tactical option, most definitely.