Pogba in full swing is great but how often does he have a run of 9/10 performances?
Ronaldo was consistently amazing and elevated the whole team, losing Pogba is nowhere near the same thing as losing one of the best players of all time.
Pogba Future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Ronaldo was consistently amazing and elevated the whole team, losing Pogba is nowhere near the same thing as losing one of the best players of all time.
The club needs to be clear about things very early. If they wanna sell him, do it fast and if they wanna keep him, kill those stories by making a statement. Nothing in between
A great talent who in a more solid and settled Utd team might be the X factor to push us to a higher level but is much less valuable in a transitional team looking to build a new identity.
Pretty much every manager since Juve(club and international) who has worked with him has tried to get him to adapt to a deeper position, thinking that he can bring greater value in a more orthodox role than as a wandering attacker. Part of that is consistency of focus, the only time he has shown the willingness to do the small things in that role was during the France WC winning run. If he leaves Utd this Summer he will go with an impressive youtube compilation but any of the same flaws he arrived with.
Pretty much every manager since Juve(club and international) who has worked with him has tried to get him to adapt to a deeper position, thinking that he can bring greater value in a more orthodox role than as a wandering attacker. Part of that is consistency of focus, the only time he has shown the willingness to do the small things in that role was during the France WC winning run. If he leaves Utd this Summer he will go with an impressive youtube compilation but any of the same flaws he arrived with.
Just because he wants to go, doesnt mean it will happen. Cant see him leaving this summer when we've already lost Fellaini and Herrera, jury is still out for Fred and Matic plays like a 36yo Carrick and needs his minutes micromanaged. Next year, or Jan probably.
Radja Naaingolan talking a lot of sense there.
A lot of that seemed to get passed off as him being some sort of hero fighting against the evils of Mourinho, when he was just being selfish. Didn't he do it more than once too? I could swear I remember him mouthing off about being unhappy after a few wins.
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His fans here talking about how United fans + the press were mean to him and didn't love and value him enough, but one of the clubs he allegedly wants to move to, is Madrid. Alright then.
Personally i think that if a player does not want to be here, its better to let them leave. bring in someone who does want to be here.
Not as if pogba is not getting good money. He is on serious money.
Not as if pogba is not getting good money. He is on serious money.
And then after the manager instructed him to not speak to the media for a while (rightly after his antics after the Leicester game), he went out of his way to tell the interviewers that he's "not allowed to speak to them".
He knew what we was doing. Any other player would get ridiculed for it, but he has protective armour here.
First we need to specifically define what a 'good performance' is, so goalposts don't get moved. Will you be needing strong empirical evidence (stats - and not just stats that say what someone wants it to say, actual detailed, broken down stats). Or will you be needing strong eye-test evidence, which is obviously prone to a individual interpretation of what is 'good play', or will you be needing both types of evidence? For every individual game he's in.
Once that is done, someone may be in a position to take you up on your challenge. It's a challenge someone would have to put a large amount of effort in to actually win even if he has in fact had more good games than bad.
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Juventus had Marchisio, pirlo and Vidal ie WC players who would walk in our side blindfolded. Yet Pogba still force his way in. But hey keep digging. As said with fans like yourself maybe we deserve the tripe we've gotJuve were in the process of a rebuild, were taking zero risk as he signed on a free fecking contract. It's an obvious move that anyone would take, I would have done the same
But then you have to be sensible and understand Serie A is not equivalent to Premier League. Shining in one doesn't necessitate you shine in the other, and when you're spunking £90m you need to know it's a big risk. We were the only daft feckers to do it. It was well reported Real took a sniff, saw the price and laughed at the stupidity of the request before moving on.
And can you stop talking about Real as a whole wanting him? It's well reported Zidane is stubbornly making Perez go for Pogba despite the Real higher ups not being convinced about Pogba as a player.
You're opinions are bad.
So we got rid of Jose to keep him happy now he wants out.
He's been an absolute waster since he came back here. I'll be really sad to not have a discussion about which player we need to sign for him to finally put a consistent season together.
He's given nothing, taken everything now wants gone.
Typical Raiola client really.
He's been an absolute waster since he came back here. I'll be really sad to not have a discussion about which player we need to sign for him to finally put a consistent season together.
He's given nothing, taken everything now wants gone.
Typical Raiola client really.
I don't want him to go. However, if he is leaving, better to get it done and dusted now rather than drag it out for a couple of months leaving no time to get a replacement in.
Are you serious, did you just bucket Marchisio and Pirlo as similar players to Pogba? It's like saying last 2 seasons Matic fights for his role in midfield against Paul Pogba
Your argument has hilariously regressed. I don't think you even know what you're arguing about anymore.Fans like me? I support Man Utd, not Paul Pogba. Clearly you will put Pogba above everything, evidently including the club
First of all you don't know if I'm impassioned about other players or not. Second, it's not about if I like him or not. You're right that he's form has been mediocre and he hasn't lived up to his potential.It’s an example.
I’m not here to provide a thesis of why he is or is not committed to the club.
This isn’t the Solksjaer thread I’m not trying to negate my own club.
Excused if criticism? Do you read my posts? I said he’s often not lived up to his potential. Behave, you don’t like the guy cause he doesn’t represent what you like in a footballer & that’s your prerogative but my question to you as it is with many is, why are you not as impassioned about other players [remember there are 11 on a pitch not 1] most who are not as good & just as half-arsed.
Stepping StoneIt’s all hyperbole. Can we stop talk assumptions & talk facts. We bought him for a world record fee & the club has regressed around him [his form has been mediocre for long periods] but he’s won things with other teams whilst here so why would he not want to go to a club that would be spending close to €500mil in a window?
We don’t know for sure that we were a stepping stone or being used, it’s as if cause our fans are being jilted by the girl at the bar we’re screaming at her & calling her ugly.
Why people assume the worst of someone they see for 90mins a week & a few times on social media is beyond me.
I take your points on board./
He's not a player you built a team around, he's just an icing on the cake and he'll be that in Madrid or wherever. A YouTube compilation player so to say. We brought him to be a leader and a big star, thats not his fault of course but I feel that transfer has been one of the many things wrong with this club.. He can of course have it easy for him and go to a club which spends 500 million where Kroos and Modrić will do the most work for him so he can pop out a goal or a Hollywood pass every once in a while.
Not a very witty quip. I was implying that Woodward hasn't signed even 2 players whilst Real have signed many. And even before James' dad passed away, quite a bit of time had been spent.
If you are happy with our recruitment process, nobody is stopping you from giving your positive spin on things without useless quips about others'.
This was expected the day he signed for us. Though perhaps it might have been delayed had Real appointed Jose and not Zidane.
We can't expect elite players to stay with us long term as we don't have a guarantee of success. I do approve of the policy to buy players like AWB and Bruno Fernandes who are less glamorous and could be effective, but we need to be sharp about our recruitment.
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Guess he's not going anywhere this summer if true
My point is that they didn't need rebuilding in CM as they had a top CM already. Pogba won his place on meritAre you serious, did you just bucket Marchisio and Pirlo as similar players to Pogba? It's like saying last 2 seasons Matic fights for his role in midfield against Paul Pogba
Fans like me? I support Man Utd, not Paul Pogba. Clearly you will put Pogba above everything, evidently including the club
I don't care about individuals either however we lost a top player at a time when talent is at a ridiculously low level. I won't celebrate his departure especially since we'll probably won't be able to find an adequate replacement for him.
@AFC NimbleThumb, about assumptions. Could be wrong but it's making rounds.
Doors over there Paul, sod off and take your scumbag agent with you.
Even if 1,3 & 4 happen, 2 never will. Raiola will get him to sign an extension before he waives his fee.
They didn't need to rebuild in CM but as I said, the team as a whole was rebuilding for the future (Pirlo was getting older) and it was zero risk. They signed him on a free.
Pogba won his place in a shit league. I have told you already that Serie A performances mean feck all. It was a shite league then and not a barometer of the Premier League, or even close.
There are many adequate replacements for him. Getting someone who works hard and actually values the club would already be a big upgrade.
My biggest concern selling Pogba this season is that we’ll just blow that money away without a concrete plan. If we could hire a seasoned director of football, I’d be happy to sell. But for now, I think we need to keep him one more season and hopefully we have a better transfer strategy by next season.
I'd leave it.Juve were in the process of a rebuild, were taking zero risk as he signed on a free fecking contract. It's an obvious move that anyone would take, I would have done the same
But then you have to be sensible and understand Serie A is not equivalent to Premier League. Shining in one doesn't necessitate you shine in the other, and when you're spunking £90m you need to know it's a big risk. We were the only daft feckers to do it. It was well reported Real took a sniff, saw the price and laughed at the stupidity of the request before moving on.
And can you stop talking about Real as a whole wanting him? It's well reported Zidane is stubbornly making Perez go for Pogba despite the Real higher ups not being convinced about Pogba as a player.
- Man Utd don't get enough money
- Raiola gets no money
- Pogba loses money
- Pogba loses money
Raiola's whole point of agitating moves for his clients is to make money for himself. Sure, he gets his clients good moves, but that is more of a side effect to him making money. Fat chance of the fat feck waiving a cent.
Hmm, will he downtools when zidane is sacked?
That, no, but the need to be selected for the Euro, absolutely.
One journalist claims that Maguire would have a higher wage at United than Pogba does; if so, maybe Paul's comments are just tactics in a bid for a raise.
It simplu means united is paying
He won a first team place in a star studded midfield. His rise was so astronomical that marchisio status changed from future captain to potential leaver in matter of months
He then became a WC winner, our most espensive signing, our main assist and goalscorer and now Real wants him. The only good thing about this is that once he's gone you lot will have to find a new scape goat to blame for all our problems. Hopefully he'll be someone who deserves it
True. But we said that 12 months ago when talk of DOF first came out.
I fear our transfer strategy will not change. It's been so bad for 6 years.
To remember he lauded Ole and claimed he should get permanent job.
I guess that one tool who yelled at him was too much.
I guess that one tool who yelled at him was too much.
Can't afford to lose him. None of our other midfielders can step up to the plate and give us what Pogba can, and there will not be a midfielder of his quality available to us on the market. Plus, people seeing our best player leave will make us look even more like a club in free fall.
Jesus you'd whip anything in to make him sound like a God wouldn't you.
Being our main goalscorer and leading assists means nothing in this season. We were so hilariously shite that it's not even worth pointing to it as an acheivement. Especially considering he racked the stats up in 3 months out of the 9 and half his goals were penalties FFS
Once again you're harping on about Real when it's clear the higher ups would rather not have him. It's like you don't read posts or understand anything beyond a love for Pogba.
I can play similar games, Anderson, signed at 18 and won a place in our squad. Won Champions League and a few Premier Leagues. Legend.
@Ban's right I don't think this debate is worth my time.
No doubt a great footballer.
But he's not worth his valuation, so just cash in and rebuild properly
But he's not worth his valuation, so just cash in and rebuild properly