Both sides are as bad as each other and I know this because of some video John Cleese made saying Extremism is baaaaad.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Both sides are as bad as each other and I know this because of some video John Cleese made saying Extremism is baaaaad.
Am I missing a joke here?
The 'enlightened centrist,' I presume they believe in the goals of BLM as long it dosn't inconvenience them.
Not suprised MLK had a copmlete disdain for them.
Not suprised MLK had a copmlete disdain for them.
I found this sentence hilarious.
It just sounds so surreal, like this situation came out of a movie or something. Mental.
Let's be honest... a small minority of them were in terms of actions
And the majority by the nature of the march would have broken social distancing guidelines which if we get a second spike with thousands of deaths tracable back to the march will probably not do the (very valid imo) cause any good at all
Kind of, it's in reference to a post in the general.
No, it isn't although Brexit and the shift to the right in politics in general is undoubtedly a factor.
When the establishment of this country began flirting with nationalist and xenophobic feeling a powder keg was fuelled. The fuse has now been lit.
There has always been a far right in Britain (and I had more than my fair share of encounters with them in the 80s and 90s) but they were largely quelled. They have been galvanised and, to an extent, legitimised over the last decade or so and Brexit was a rallying call to them.
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Very wise words. Trump propagandists and apologists.
Some of the replies to this tweet, as well as Tobias Ellwood's tweet are terrible
You’d think whoever took this picture would’ve caught another one of this feckers face when he turned around again.
Wrexham trending on twitter. *reads why wrexham is trending on twitter* 2020 gets more random.
Looked that up because of this post. I laughed.
I laughed too, last thing I expected to see
Lack of a coherent message combined with the mayhem and deliberate antagonism of police (whom these people would have been on the side of during the week).
These fringe, imbecilic right wing louts are pretty funny until you realise they have an 80 seat majority.
This is the type of thing you see happening in south Asia, where people block major highways in protest over a killing not being investigated.
The case has been handed over to Georgia Bureau of investigations. The chief of police resigned earlier today. She also called for termination of the officer who opened fire on Rayshard Brooks. More police chiefs needs to follow her example. She also stated that there was no justifiable reason for the officer to react the way he did.
The problem is cops almost always assume the worst when the POI is a black person.
They even assume the black person is the POI even when there are little evidence.
That's systemic racism
What do you mean with systemic?
In the US, according to google there's about 800.000+ law enforcement. Again google, about 1% of the population will have some level of psychopathy. One might expect higher numbers in law enforcement then the general population. But let's say 8000. Then add all the ones doing it for other bad reason, like lack of better options, or probably any number of reasons they shouldn't be in a position like this. You don't need racism to explain bad cops. There's enough reason. I'm not saying racism does not exist in the police. I'm sure it does. But systemic?
Yes.
The percentage of black people harmed and targetted vs the rest.
Cover ups
Number of wrongful convictions of black people vs the rest
Percentage of black people incarcerated vs the rest
Harsher sentencing etc etc
Its systemic
Yes it's systemic, how they can all get away with it.
If this is any other normal country each and every infraction in https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cop-in-america-doing-a-bad-job-again.420394/page-119 would end up with incarcerations, but most of them ended up brushed up and nothing happened.
A Racist cop killing a black man isn't the fault of the system, nothing can stop a racist from acting racist, but to let him get away with it is the fault of the system (I believe the system isn't wrong, but the executor of said system is corrupt), and you can't do all this if the number of racist element is minor.
I'd advise both of you to read some opposing views. They are out there.
Here's two articles. They don't address all of the points you raise, but some at least.
Coleman Hughes from 2018
John McWhorter from 2016
From my brief skim, they both seem like opinion pieces using exceptions to the rule for the basis of their arguments?
Yes it doesnt address the point that a black person will face a harsher sentence for the same crime.
Because there is no reason that anyone can come up with to counter the obvious bias of the system.
That is not to say that progress has not been made either. I dont think anyone is arguing that point.
Reading the first one when it gets into athletic achievement its starts to get very problematic.
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With all do respect, I don't need an article from two nobody to tell me that there isn't a very fundamental systemic racism in America.
It's at best 1000 words opinion on something, it's hardly a defense that there's no systemic racism. There's no racism because Coleman and Mcwhorter says so?
I started reading that first one and had to stop because it was bloody awful.
This is even overlooking the fact that you can find fluffed up opinion pieces to support anything, especially on trash like Quillette.
Well, if you want the whole argument backed by philosophic reasoning, statistics and history you might need to read the same books they've read and authors of most articles you read.
McWhorters point is relevant to the situation we're in atm.
Colemans is actually well argued on the topic of racism.
Are you serious? I guess you made up your mind then. Carry on, don't look back!
Actually I’d prefer your arguments to be backed by peer reviewed studies if you’re going to insist on citing your arguments with a source.
No, not because anyone says so. They just ask you to think about the matter. Don't let your feelings decide, they might deceive you..
Yes, don't let reason get in the way.
Imo, Britain will turn into an even bigger mess when it comes to racism in the coming year due to covid and brexit contribution towards a deep recession and high unemployment. During the times like these the issue won't be able to cover itself behind the mask of traditional British politeness, it will find it's way fully onto the suffice.
My point is you are pushing opinion pieces which inherently have an agenda attached to them. A peer review study should not, if the study has been done correctly to remove biases.
Yes, but there's a lot of bias in "the system". You don't need racism to explain it. The bias goes many ways. Agianst sex, race, health, income..
I've seen enough btw. We're not talking about breona or floyd incident. These things happens far to common and recurring for it not to be systemic.
I'm sorry cantone. It's just this whole thing has been going to far, too blatant for any devil advocate. American cops are systemically racist.