Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Am bumping this post again.
young lady explains simply and concisely why these protests need to take place.
It should be stickered as first post on every page of this thread as this so anyone claiming ‘devils advicate’ or that ‘protesters are in the wrong’ or ‘tired of racism angle’ should watch this VDO and see if their POV can defeat this lady’s explanation.
Also, I like the idea of the police pension fund having to make the payouts in cases of wrongdoing. It’d save the taxpayers and might put some pressure on cops to police their own.
What does that even mean?
Elaborate with details, not general statements that sound as though they mean something.
Who is going to educate who, when & how? Who will greenlight the budget for it?
Who will budget for 'social measures', and what exactly are 'social measures'?
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Seems like they have a knack for getting people in the eye.
Why would you want to be a police officer after you have reached some level of maturity and been exposed to human nature? You will have a few who feel a civic duty, a majority who treat it just like any other job and those who are attracted by the power trip.
All of them will have to deal with the worst of humanity on a daily basis, I would imagine the burnout levels are very high.
I’m guessing that once there is genuine evidence of this taking place, over a sustained period, then the protests which can escalate into riots will stop.
You are also conveniently ignoring the 95%+ people who have engaged in purely peaceful protest and advocating policy based on the violence of a tiny minority.
Which types of protest? You already accepted that with the firefighters protest the police were violent and totally out of line. Why would a different protest result in a different result? That’s my entire point, once the police stop acting properly, then that spills over into everything else.
Going back 99 years seems unnecessary. America was still lynching black people in the 80’s. This is who they are.
I’m not suggesting ‘They’ is more than half, or even a huge minority. But it’s there. They have a disgusting history with racial abuse and servitude and clung to it for all it was worth for as long as possible.
It's systemic. Police in the U.S. a) a trained to use violence to police minority communities b) are largely immune from criminal prosecution b/c of various factors
Police in the US are doing exactly what they set up to do. They have been militarized for a long time now.
I'm really impressed with how restrained the black population of america has been. They deserve a lot of credit for not letting themselves be goaded into dropping their peaceful protest. Seeing them surround and protect cops is just so far above and beyond what any other group would do
Because highlighting exceptions to the rule does feck all. Police in the US are geared towards violence towards minority communities. The response you are seeing from the police is literally how they were trained to act.
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going out for a run but will try and provide a proper reply later.
My main point was that rioting and gangs of lads tearing through cities is going to do nothing to correct/improve the underlying issues.
Bizarre.
Yellow vests and black blocs because if you didn't notice they systematically attack the police and everything else in the area.
I disagree. It's important for other officers to see their colleagues elsewhere working with their communities and in some instances joining the protests. It's also important for protesters to see that.
A great way to change a broken system is to get the system to change from within.
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They’re such cnuts.
Funny, because I was at a yellow vest protest in Paris, and while there were certainly a few knobheads looting and causing trouble, the vast majority were just peaceful normal people.
You won't be living for much longer if you attempt to do a street protest over there.
And the vast majority had no issue with the police.
Are these scenes from Syria or America? It's becoming harder to tell. Can Europe expect another refugee crisis this time from across the Atlantic?
Do you mean the constant cuts to public education and social programs that have occurred in US discretionary spending for the last decade or so?
Riots aren't the answer, but they may be the only thing that forces government into implementing a solution.
Oh I give up, I guess the people who did nothing wrong and now have to spend the rest of their lives half blind should just shut up and get on with it.
The USA is the answer to the age old question what would've happened if Hitler won the war. Not in racial policy but in economic model. Ethnonationalism based on perpetual war. The US needs to change a lot.
Unfortunately this has been tried and failed previously.
Once again, American police are designed to use violence against minority communities (especially black Americans). This is simply undeniable. They are simply carrying out their training, regardless of the few outliers.
That's some powerful shit.
Rioting brings the city to a standstill, and draws attention to the issue at hand by force.
I'm not aware of any large-scale societal change, such as giving citizens rights or gaining equality - which has come about without violence.
Pointed out as early as 1935 by a MoH recipient and retired general officer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
That's not what I said. You keep generalizing and pretending that it's one sided when it's not and you know it. I already said multiple time that it happens but it's not systematic and you know that it's true, we can both point to specific moments when it happened and I believe that we condemn it but you tried to generalize it and ignore the context. If I have one advice to give to people, when it comes to french police, if a minority of protesters starts creating havoc, leave quickly because while the police generally doesn't start, they definitely finish the scuffle.
And none of that has anything to do with the post that you originally responded to, which was about guns and their utilisation.
Facts.
As Dr. Cornell West said, "America is a failed social experiment". It's completely rotten to the core and Donald Trump is the embodiment of it. There is no more moral high ground to take. We are a complete joke of a nation that deserves to be mocked.
"American exceptionalism"
"The American dream"
"Leader of the free world"
"Land of the free"
Nothing more than catchy marketing slogans.
And that’s a key difference.
I always chuckle when I see people throw out that first line. It is actually complete nonsense and is based on absolutely nothing and shows a distinct lack of knowledge on worldwide policing and doesn’t even make any sense.
To start with there’s actually only a handful of countries in the developed world whose police force DONT have guns. Guns are the norm in police forces around the world. One key difference is that these countries don’t give their fecking citizens guns too.
There’s also the other weirdly ignored thing in that there are plenty of black people in European countries with historical and ongoing racism issues and you don’t see black people being killed by police at the rate and in the manor you see it in the states with their police even though they have guns.
Even if we only speak about the U.K. and US. There are still plenty of officers in the U.K. with guns, we have armed officers and they attend plenty of incidents involving firearms, and it’s rare for these incidents to end in people being shot dead.
A Key difference is that these officers undergo intense and extensive training as well as mental and physical checks. They’re also vetted to the smallest detail. In Europe their officers take years to become full time and then get guns.
Meanwhile in America, you walk in on day one and 120 days later, “here’s your gun, knock yourself out”.
So when people say things like “if you get guns as freely in the U.K. like in the US itd be the same”. It’s actually a nonsensical saying Cos it would never happen. And due to the fact it doesn’t, it cuts out the significant recruiting of individuals whom are gun hungry, gun touting, deranged bigots who crave that power.
It’s like me saying I’ll be as good as Lio Messi if I had the same talent and attitude as Lio Messi. One is a consequence of the other.
Digging through century old posts changes nothing, but points for trying.
Congrats for a pointless quote.Van Jones Calls Out ‘White Hillary Liberals’
Don't usually agree with Van Jones but I'm Glad he came out with this.
Don't usually agree with Van Jones but I'm Glad he came out with this.
Yeah my thoughts too. Of course in such an outburst it is impossible for there not be incidents that we can all lament. What is notable is not that they are occurring but how isolated they are, and how the majority are going above and beyond to minimise any serious harm to human life. Remember the incident that triggered this was a cold-blooded execution in full view of the public, because of an allegation of a counterfeit bill. Meanwhile a white guy can threaten protestors with a bow and arrow and all he took was a beating before order was restored. A black civilian with a bow and arrow would have been shot dead no questions asked by the police.
Always pisses me off that LeBron is seen as some kind of heroic activist. His comments on the HK/China situation were a disgrace.
It’s a movement that is growing rapidly online in the United States and is one that people like Minnesota’s Governor are referring to when they’re saying far-right elements are infiltrating the protests.
And I figured it was clear by now - but this is the alt right movement... they’ve been around and everybody that pays attention to the last several years knows about them. They’re just using new vocabulary now... and that vocab needs to be known to detect them and out them.
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Some White Hillary Liberals will forget about George Floyd and the broken system the second Trump is ousted out the White House
"Back to normal"
They’re exactly the people MLK was talking about. ‘Friends’ who don’t understand why people’s can’t just patiently put up with oppression they themselves don’t experience while some mythical peaceful solution is found.