I called idiotic condoning innocent violence of any kind, if you recognised yourself in there, that is your problem, not mine. And pointing anything out to you is pretty much useless as proved in the past. I will be a "fool" for not condoning innocent violence, but a "fool" with clean conscience.
I have an acquaintance who is a cop, who basically brags at parties about being "rough", I reckon he would fit right into a US department. The only thing keeping him in line are his colleagues, who tell him to cut it out. I reckon the job and its perks just attracts a certain type of person.
That's the thing I don't think he's basing it on anything other than his opinion. As to why he has that opinion I don't know but it certainly doesn't look like being evidence based.
It seemed as though you were suggesting the issues in both countries are on an equal footing.
But they dont, that's what makes it a different society and mentality
Just wanna say something to you mate:
Even more scary to think about what the narcissist Trump might do. This has the potential to become a full rebellion if the police keeps acting like they do, and then Trumptydumpty suddenly decides to declare martial law and send in the army. Maybe they then won't even be loyal to him an voila you have a potential new ciwil war. Maybe, maybe not, but this does have the potential for bigger things if the government in the US acts in a stupid irresponsible way (which kind of seems plausible considering..).Okay?
I wouldn't be shocked if they are trained to use more severe tactics than other countries.
You've shown who and what you are enough.
I mean, seriously?) then feel free to report me and let the mods decide. As in every discussion we've ever had, I've asked for clarification and further debate and you've ran away from it every single time.Vile and sickening. Old man not bothering anyone. In the end the officer who pushed him actually tried to help him getting up, but that was only after his colleague went to help and it was obvious there are people filming.
Look what happened with the French cops and the yellow vests though. They were shooting innocent people in the face with rubber bullets, tear gassing indiscriminately and beating up people left, right and centre. Their behavior wasn’t that different to the US cops this weekend.
I’d bet the US is far more disproportionate relative to the UK.
It's a brutal, but effective way to immobilize someone, I would think would be what they'd say.
I guess this ends discussion if you really have to ask me that. This is why I "run" from our discussions, because it always goes in endless circles with you.You've shown who and what you are enough.
And if you think I'm "hunting" you (
Oh and as a last thing, wtf is "innocent violence"? If you want to move the goalposts, at least try to make sense my friend!
Correct, there is no similarity whatsoever. Plus any police brutality in the UK isn't racially aggravated as it seems in the US.
no. only on limbs.
Their behavior was very different, the black blocs attacked the police and everyone else, throwing rocks and using crow bars. Also the yellow vests are a bunch of cnuts, they fight each others and everyone else too.
I think the cheek of picking him up after pushing him down riled me more than actually pushing him down did.
Again, you don't understand irony. You certainly can't seem to answer simple questions.
I'm curious as to what the UK training in this situation is if you don't mind ?
I personally think there's nothing wrong with the tactics / training of the police officer.
I think what you say is fair enough. I guess it's difficult on the Caf really as often people want an opinion from a policing perspective yet when you give one you'll still get a large number of posters who will hurl abuse as opposed to engaging in meaningful discussion or trying to understand the points being made.
It was touched on earlier about the strong military roots within American society and policing. I guess it's easy to see how all this spirals out of control when you add racism and prejudice to the mix.
On the other hand, when I put my knee on a wrestler's neck, we are on a padded wrestling mat and I only do it for a second or two so I can do something else.
How can a BLM rally in the UK be totally unrelated to the killing of George Floyd in the US? This is why the unrest in the US is a good thing. Because people assume that just because things are calm in the UK that we don't have a similar problem.
I wouldn't say its on the same level, but there are certainly similarities, just not nearly enough to say we deal with the same stuff they do over there.
When I first started you were taught to place your knee on someone's traps/shoulder area when completing a ground-pin with colleagues and applying handcuffs.
Yeah... that's not going to lead to fewer cop cars being torched.The woman shot with the rubber bullet. (Don't look if you're squeamish)...
I guess it's something if you were fighting for you life you could do but it seems to be being used in the US to routinely control suspects on the floor when they aren't going anywhere or presenting any risk. That's the concern for me.
I’m using yellow vest to cover that whole time. The police were totally out of control. You saw the video of the woman here in Lyon who was filming a protest from her 3rd floor balcony, and the police shot a rubber bullet at her? Or the sickening number of peaceful protesters who lost eyes to face level shots? Or the guy they took under an underpass and beat the shit out of?
That is disgusting, how is this allowed. I honestly think I would rather live in North Korea than the US at this moment in time.The woman shot with the rubber bullet. (Don't look if you're squeamish)...
Think that one went so far over to your head you didn’t even comprehend it bud.
Maybe I'm soft but I train BJJ and some other techniques and even on the mat knee on belly always hurts. Putting your whole bodyweight though something as sharp as your knee is going to cause problems especially if you place it somewhere the restricts breathing.
One would think that they've been reassured their actions are ok even if filmed.
They have a president who gave an actual war criminal a pardon and feted him at the White House. Why would they need to worry?
What a pillock.
It was a different officer. They saw their colleague knock him over then ran across to help the old guy back up and check he was okay.
