izec
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just that LvG doesnt rate him. Time to prove him wrong Rafael or you are the next one gone.
Anything less than £15m would be criminal, he is an excellent player and if he shook off the injuries he could become the top right back in the league.Only here is rated, if you put him on sale I don't think you can get more than 5 million.
He was the top right back in the league alongside Zabaleta last to last season when he stayed fit for the most part.Anything less than £15m would be criminal, he is an excellent player and if he shook off the injuries he could become the top right back in the league.
LVG said yesterday (I think) all the injured players except Carrick, will be back after the international break. Rafael and Shaw are the players we need back quickly.We need this man back. Is there a timeline on his return or what's happening?
That would be a huge boost if true.LVG said yesterday (I think) all the injured players except Carrick, will be back after the international break. Rafael and Shaw are the players we need back quickly.
Let's hope that is the caseLVG said yesterday (I think) all the injured players except Carrick, will be back after the international break. Rafael and Shaw are the players we need back quickly.
Yeah, like being absolutely shite at football."Van Gaal is the Hitler of the Brazilian players; he is arrogant, proud and has a problem," Marca quote Giovanni as saying.
But seriously, I think he's gonna be fine. Valencia seems like the type of player coaches love though. Hard working and athletic... although he obviously has his faults.
I think Shaw is even more limited attacking wise than Rafael actually right now.I highly rate Rafael but I don't think he's the saviour to our wingback issues as some are making him out to be.
Even at his peak, his contributions in the attacking third were inconsistent to be honest. It doesn't make him a bad player, he's a right back not a winger, but he will be judged on the attacking side probably more than the defensive one and I can easily see him coming into a lot of criticism. Good player for us and I hope I'm wrong about this.
If only he had Evra's immunity to injuries.Hes Evras replacement. The lovable full back who fuxking loves our club, plays with his heart and is damn good. He is our right side when hes fit and on form, much like Evra was our left side while he was here.
How so? He's very used to the right back role & given more freedom to venture forward would be beneficial to his game.I think Shaw is even more limited attacking wise than Rafael actually right now.
But Rafael with more license to attack in this role will be a great improvement on Valencia. Though not as positionally disciplined.
I miss this little guy.
You know, this wing back molarky isn't unique to United. There are plenty of wing backs who attack just fine without having another player overlapping.Anyone who thinks Rafael will provide more attacking threat than Valencia in our current formation is deluded IMO. He's a fullback. He does his best work when the opposition is outnumbered and he can overlap.
Isolate him against two opposition players, with the only option being beating both of them on the dribble or picking out a static Juan Mata infield and people will soon realise what tough job Valencia has had this season.
Same applies to Shaw on the opposite flank, only more so (he's a less attacking fullback)
What Rafael will do better than Valencia is 1)Cross first time better or cross better in general even if inconsistent sometimes. Valencia currently is sucking at this most importantly and sucking real bad. 2) Dribble little bit better to create space. 3) Make runs inside the channels actually which Rafael does even from fullback at times and take some shots. Here he will have more room to do this.Anyone who thinks Rafael will provide more attacking threat than Valencia in our current formation is deluded IMO. He's a fullback. He does his best work when the opposition is outnumbered and he can overlap.
Isolate him against two opposition players, with the only option being beating both of them on the dribble or picking out a static Juan Mata infield and people will soon realise what tough job Valencia has had this season.
Same applies to Shaw on the opposite flank, only more so (he's a less attacking fullback)
Valencia tbf has been pretty solid defensively and mantains width better. Rafael in that role will be more free and roaming inside slightly more and less of a physical presence.How so? He's very used to the right back role & given more freedom to venture forward would be beneficial to his game.
Valencia bring very little to the team, is all right foot & pretty easy for fullbacks to contain. Raf can be an exceptional player when his head is on right & has all the attributes to be an exceptional wing back (bar being very prone to injury).
Would honestly hate to see him leave United as he's got an awful lot of talent & if he can stay fit is certainly one of the best right backs in the league.
I don't think you can blame just the formation. Valencia has looked awful on the right for some time, even with the support.I haven't watched a lot of 352 but I've never seen a wingback as isolated as Valencia was yesterday. On his own against two defenders every time he got the ball (apart from two incidents where a clever pass from Rooney finally created space). Not getting into a broader debate about his form in the last two seasons (which has not been good) but the current formation (how we use it anyway) woule make any winger look bad and a specialist fullback look absolutely hopeless.
I disagree - Valencia is a defensive liability and this was shown numerous times last year. He can get away with it a bit more in a 3-5-2 though of course.Valencia tbf has been pretty solid defensively and mantains width better. Rafael in that role will be more free and roaming inside slightly more and less of a physical presence.
He'll do well anyway though will need to adapt his runs and timing of it which he can.
Last year? When he played RB ? Yeah, he was caught out positionally a few times and in terms of tracking the runners deep but as a RWB this season he has been pretty solid defensively.I disagree - Valencia is a defensive liability and this was shown numerous times last year. He can get away with it a bit more in a 3-5-2 though of course.
Yeah fair enough.Last year? When he played RB ? Yeah, he was caught out positionally a few times and in terms of tracking the runners deep but as a RWB this season he has been pretty solid defensively.
Young on whatever flank he plays looks way more dodgy and panicky in the defensive end.
He's been unimpressive, individually, but has helped bring the best out of Rafael. The one thing he has consistently done well the last two seasons has been slipping Rafael through with clever little passes around the box. Just don't see Rafael being anywhere near his best when he's stuck out on the wing on his own. Will be like that experiment we tried with Evra as a left winger. A player we all thought was a great attacking player looked utterly bereft of ideas when asked to lead from the front.I don't think you can blame just the formation. Valencia has looked awful on the right for some time, even with the support.
It's a shame because he was better when he first came. But I think it's a combination of him losing his confidence and aggression as well as defenders figuring him out.
Could be true. Certainly another reason why I'm not keen on the 3-5-2 to be honest.He's been unimpressive, individually, but has helped bring the best out of Rafael. The one thing he has consistently done well the last two seasons has been slipping Rafael through with clever little passes around the box. Just don't see Rafael being anywhere near his best when he's stuck out on the wing on his own. Will be like that experiment we tried with Evra as a left winger. A player we all thought was a great attacking player looked utterly bereft of ideas when asked to lead from the front.
Agree, can't see Shaw and Rafael faring any bettter when they will be outnumbered every time they get the ball outwide. We need to drop this experiment and play a formation that our players, both new and old, are used to.Anyone who thinks Rafael will provide more attacking threat than Valencia in our current formation is deluded IMO. He's a fullback. He does his best work when the opposition is outnumbered and he can overlap.
Isolate him against two opposition players, with the only option being beating both of them on the dribble or picking out a static Juan Mata infield and people will soon realise what tough job Valencia has had this season.
Same applies to Shaw on the opposite flank, only more so (he's a less attacking fullback)