Murder on Zidanes Floor
You'd better not kill Giroud
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Yes, except one thing, Martial cannot sprint.Best post in the thread.
Yes, except one thing, Martial cannot sprint.Best post in the thread.
Good post. Take Sterling, looked great at City because every chance was a six yard tap in, now at Chelsea, looks bang average.Like most caftards I’ve been watching football for decades and one inescapable fact of top strikers is that they don’t need perfect service to score goals. Forget the likes of Messi and Ronaldo and let’s just take two top strikers we all watched closely — Ruud and Rooney. They were not spoonfed perfect balls (not what you’re thinking!) but instead they scapped off a half chances and chances that they themselves created. We’ll see about Hojlund and I am huge admirer of him, but if he’s going to become another Ruud he cannot rely on perfect service.
This myth he's only not scoring or having efforts is because the team aren't creating chances for him. Yes, they aren't creating chances for him enough but he isn't an out and out goal poacher so he should in theory be creating more half chances for himself than he is. Where are the half turns on the edge of the box and snap shots, where are the efforts from stupid angles that we are all cursing him for going for?
100th. Wow.
Watch the great strikers, young and old, and you don't see them whining about getting service. Hojlund isn't whining about service so no criticism of him is warranted IMO but this is a league were service for the striker is very hard to find. Defenders are very tough in this league and the amount of daylight most strikers get most of the time is extremely limited. For Rasmus to reach anything like the level of Kane or Rooney, or before them RvN, he's got to create his own chances.Perfect? He is getting zero service.
Haaland? He creates feck all, literally invisible if not getting any service. Like someone already said, if we had Haaland, it would be similar situation to Hojlund with our service this season.Watch the great strikers, young and old, and you don't see them whining about getting service. Hojlund isn't whining about service so no criticism of him is warranted IMO but this is a league were service for the striker is very hard to find. Defenders are very tough in this league and the amount of daylight most strikers get most of the time is extremely limited. For Rasmus to reach anything like the level of Kane or Rooney, or before them RvN, he's got to create his own chances.
Haaland would be the exception to the rule. He's given great service and he creates something out of nothing. But he's a freak and anyone who wants to compare Hojlund to Haaland and find the Dane on the short end of the stick is making an unfair comparison. Haaland is a generational talent our grandchildren will be talking about the way we speak of Maradona.
I'm sorry but no, you're not being fair, you are asking for miracles from this kid. Let's take the top 3 strikers in Europe's leagues last seasonWatch the great strikers, young and old, and you don't see them whining about getting service. Hojlund isn't whining about service so no criticism of him is warranted IMO but this is a league were service for the striker is very hard to find. Defenders are very tough in this league and the amount of daylight most strikers get most of the time is extremely limited. For Rasmus to reach anything like the level of Kane or Rooney, or before them RvN, he's got to create his own chances.
Haaland would be the exception to the rule. He's given great service and he creates something out of nothing. But he's a freak and anyone who wants to compare Hojlund to Haaland and find the Dane on the short end of the stick is making an unfair comparison. Haaland is a generational talent our grandchildren will be talking about the way we speak of Maradona.
You've been watching football from decades but don't know what to expect from a poacher.Like most caftards I’ve been watching football for decades and one inescapable fact of top strikers is that they don’t need perfect service to score goals. Forget the likes of Messi and Ronaldo and let’s just take two top strikers we all watched closely — Ruud and Rooney. They were not spoonfed perfect balls (not what you’re thinking!) but instead they scapped off a half chances and chances that they themselves created. We’ll see about Hojlund and I am huge admirer of him, but if he’s going to become another Ruud he cannot rely on perfect service.
I love how be brought out the Haaland example himself but it was utter tripe, because he's actually the best example to counter his own, incorrect argumentsHaaland? He creates feck all, literally invisible if not getting any service. Like someone already said, if we had Haaland, it would be similar situation to Hojlund with our service this season.
But Hojlund has not shown himself to be a very good poacher as well. He is like groomed to be a complete striker but is not an excellent poacher or target man as of now.You've been watching football from decades but don't know what to expect from a poacher.
It's also funny that the best goalscorer in the world right now, Haaland is also someone that can't do shit without service.
No it’s on him.I am not worry about his lack of goals in PL so far this season. It’s still early time, he is still very young but looks very promising/unstoppable at times, and he has scored some good goals for us in CL. I’d say his lack of goals so far are mostly down to lack of supply.
Maybe the two United players higher on that list are part of the reason? What we do know is that every team above us in the league has scored at least double our amount of goals so there are reasons for that and I wouldn’t point them at Hojlunds door.
100th. Wow.
Spot on.The media loving everything about United this season. Pick any player and you can write something negative.
Just ignore it!
So despite the team not creating a chance for him in 160 minutes its all on him?No it’s on him.
Scoring against some pub teams in the UCL ain’t enough. But again this is the risk you took buying an unproven striker when you knew the team needed firepower.
Pure crap. Haaland is no mere tap in merchant.You've been watching football from decades but don't know what to expect from a poacher.
It's also funny that the best goalscorer in the world right now, Haaland is also someone that can't do shit without service.
I actually made the point that we should not expect miracles from the kid, whom I hold in very high regard. And in fact I’ve argued recently that we should have brought him in as an apprentice under a proven striker and not put so much pressure on him by being our line striker and burdened him with expectations that cannot possibly meet this season or next. In a very recent post I expressed worry that we may have already broken him.I'm sorry but no, you're not being fair, you are asking for miracles from this kid. Let's take the top 3 strikers in Europe's leagues last season
Harry Kane - 30 goals - Total conversion rate of 23.1% of an attempted 130 shots
Alexandre Lacazette - 27 goals - Total conversion rate of 23.5% of an attempted 115 shots
Erling Haaland - 36 goals - 36 goals - Total conversion rate of 29.3% of an attempted 123 shots
Even the best convert less then 30% of their total shots all season, and this includes players like Haaland who are spoonfed chances in the best team in the world, and you're asking Hojlund to make make every half chance count, basically create every goal himsef and feed on scraps from a dysfunctional team that barely plays him into dangerous positions.
I mean Hojlund currently has 9 shots in the league total, Rashford, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho currently have more shots per game than him, 3 of those wingers prefer to cut in and shoot 9 times out of 10 and Bruno is well off the pace of last seasons antics.
Absolutely zero use of context in this thread, just how shit Hojlund is cause he isn't prime Rooney, RVN, Messi and Ronaldo at 20 years old.
Instead of shitting on one of the positive looking aspects of this season with regards to potential future growth, perhaps lets support our young striker who's playing for Manchester United in the Premier League at 20 years old unlike players like Kane, who you listed above, who were on loan on the bench in the Championship at the same age.
I'm getting 'never to be promoted' vibes.I'm getting Baby Weghorse vibes
He’s been good for Chelsea when I’ve watched him this season. Chelsea were an utter shambles last season worse than even we are now.Good post. Take Sterling, looked great at City because every chance was a six yard tap in, now at Chelsea, looks bang average.
I didn’t mention Haaland. But thanks.So despite the team not creating a chance for him in 160 minutes its all on him?
And btw people bringing up Haaland is laughable given how completely anonymous he is outside of his goals. Oh and Haaland is currently topping the league table as the player with the most misses.
There where much more chances created for Ronaldo in his first season, second season where he struggled, look at the chance creation.Lots of posts about lack of supply. 37 year old Ronaldo was scoring with the same team/lack of supply.
1) Haaland matches our best player on assists and is only really beat by Bruno/Rashford on chance creation.So despite the team not creating a chance for him in 160 minutes its all on him?
And btw people bringing up Haaland is laughable given how completely anonymous he is outside of his goals. Oh and Haaland is currently topping the league table as the player with the most misses.
Player | Goals | Miss | Ratio |
Haaland | 11 | 11 | 50.00% |
Watkins | 5 | 11 | 31.25% |
Nunez | 4 | 10 | 28.57% |
Jackson | 5 | 8 | 38.46% |
Højlund | 0 | 6 | 00.00% |
Wilson | 7 | 5 | 58.33% |
Bowen | 7 | 5 | 58.33% |
Mbeumo | 6 | 5 | 54.54% |
Doucouré | 3 | 5 | 37.50% |
Mitoma | 3 | 5 | 37.50% |
Wissa | 3 | 5 | 37.50% |
Rashford | 1 | 5 | 16.67% |
Sometimes you need to actually post the stat though. Haaland matches our best player on assists sounds great, until you realize its just two assists. Alvarez has one more. Funny enough the most assists by far is Pedro Neto for Wolves.1) Haaland matches our best player on assists and is only really beat by Bruno/Rashford on chance creation.
2) The highest scoring players generally sits highest on misses too. Very few players have more than 50% goals to missed (big) chances ratio.
2023-24:
Player Goals Miss Ratio Haaland 11 11 50.00% Watkins 5 11 31.25% Nunez 4 10 28.57% Jackson 5 8 38.46% Højlund 0 6 00.00% Wilson 7 5 58.33% Bowen 7 5 58.33% Mbeumo 6 5 54.54% Doucouré 3 5 37.50% Mitoma 3 5 37.50% Wissa 3 5 37.50% Rashford 1 5 16.67%
There's one (well.. maybe two) fish out of water on this list, and he plays for us. Hopefully (almost) 1/3 of a season proves too small a sample come end of season, but its not looking good.