Yes it seems that this is the Hope many of you are riding on. I don’t know where it comes from tbh. And let’s not start being Haaland in the conversation
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Yeah, absolutely nothing
Ah yes, save money, get in a random striker on loan like Weghorst so you can whine two games into the season and all the way till it ends.
Or we could get in a highly rated young striker who has quickly adapted to every league he's moved to, is on a progressive trajectory, doing well for his country and is a United fan?
But nah, let's save €60m and pray a striker talent (ironically) show up in the next years.
What do you expect? A striker to appear out of nowhere and be Kane level? Where do you think these strikers come from?
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If those are the options then I don’t mind this signing. I don’t rate Lautaro and Ramos looks limited and both would cost an arm and a leg too.
I think my logic is fairly explainable in that sometimes you have to overpay. All clubs overpay in some scenarios and get better deals in others. Context matters. There is a time to play hardball and I'm not sure it's when you have no strikers that are regularly available and you're telling the manager that his only play is to get a mediocre loan player or make do with what he's got. That is not what I'd call a plan worth the name, it looks more like self sabotage.
It's not great but sometimes you have to go above and beyond. The problem with Antony was he doesn't look especially good. As ever, if the assessment is correct the fee is largely rendered an insignificant detail. Of course 70 million euros is a lot for where Hojlund is at but I still think it's the preferable plan to what you're suggesting as ultimately it strengthens us in a key position according to the managers vision whereas you're simply telling him to get on with it and get any old rubbish in.
What would be a plan is to have alternative options that are actually wanted by the recruitment team and the manager. Then look at negotiating them and playing Atalanta against that. But eventually a judgment call has to be made as to whether you're really getting any better value than simply getting the prime target and it also has the potential to waste a shit load of time that would be valuable to bed a striker into our setup.
When there are so many ridiculous posts comparing the two.
Lautaro also seems to only really excel if he plays up front in a 2, which isn't going to happen here. Ramos would cost more than Højlund, for sure.
You don't know the player. The only thing stuck in your head is "9 goals in 32 matches" so instead of actually trying to understand why he may be good, you just deny it and remain pessimistic and continue on with your doesn't-score-enough-goals parade.
We've finished top 3 in 4 of the last 6 seasons. Runners up on 2 of those occasions. We are a top premier league club and to suggest anything else is hyperbole.
We are miles off competing for the title, but that's more of a reflection of how good city are. But in terms of premier league quality we'd definitely be considered one of the leagues best teams.
Gabriel Jesus - 11 in 33 last season
Eddie Nketiah - 9 in 39 last season
Darwin Nunez - 15 in 42 last season
Cody Gakpo - 7 in 26 last season
Son Heung-Min - 14 in 47 last season
Evan Ferguson - 10 in 25 last season (everyones new darling on here)
Aleksander Isak - 10 in 27 last season
I could go on and on
Why do you jump on everyone who doesn't share your enthusiasm for RH?
I have. I'm answering a post that was to do with stats.
His performances are also raw and unpolished.
So you want a striker that has a similar goal ratio to Hojlund over 38 games but not Hojlund, this is in reference to the +15 goals in the league? And you also want a player that has as much question marks over his head in Ramos who is also linked to a 100m+ fee?
Finally since when Lautaro Martinez is remotely available or available for an affordable fee?
Because lots of people's worries are only based on stats and fecking numbers that are not even that bad for someone his age? You don't have to be ultra positive about him, but let's not be silly either.
They also use random figures that do not match with the amount of goals scored by good strikers in the top 5-6 leagues.
Has anyone mentioned that he's only scored 9 goals in serie A? Seems like important information people should be aware of.
The goal ratio thing might just be the dumbest argument for whether he will come good. He scored 9 in 20 games so yeah surely he’s scoring 19 in 38 in the toughest league
Honestly, I'm not even that concerned about his stats even though they are a bit worrying. I'm just concerned about paying that much for an unfinished, unproven striker to lead the line in hopes he becomes good.
The goal ratio isn't an argument, it's a simple conversation of raw stats otherwise you are comparing raw stats with different game times which is senseless. Othe than that I don't think anyone said that he will score 19 goals in the toughest league.
Actually looks like the club is waiting for a conclusion on the Caf if 9 goals in 32 games/1800 minutes in Serie A is a good or poor output. Decision to increase the offer will be done then.
The bolded part worries me much more. I really don't care that much if he scored 5 or 20 goals in Serie A, he doesn't look (close to) ready to me based on the "all touches" vids I've seen (forget about compilations). Looks like in normal circumstances we would loan him back straight to Atalanta for a season or two, and we're discussing if he can be the main man up front.
Lautaro fecking Martinez 
No thanks, would rather take punt on player who has attributes to play as proper 9 and potentially very good player.
No thanks, would rather take punt on player who has attributes to play as proper 9 and potentially very good player.
Someone already said he can score 17. We’re getting there
No one concerned about him failing a drugs test at the ACN?
Oh wait wrong thread.
Oh wait wrong thread.
I don't. I don't mind people not being enthusiastic about him, but it's slightly annoying when people list reasons why he's not going to be a good transfer, especially when these reasons are false or taken out of context. This whole 9-in-32 being the biggest victim of these people.
I could care less about the other clubs given they were no where near the title. But Gabriel Jesus for Arsenal is a decent amount of gold when you have Martinelli and Saka also firing. Similar to Firmino when he had Mane and Salah. Rashford is our only goal scorer in our attack
It's the dumbest argument on all sides of the spectrum when you consider that multiple players both inside and outside the Premier League over the years have had terrible seasons of scoring little to no goals only for them to come good the next season
I'm just glad I only have to read your opinion on an internet forum and not have you as our manager or part of our recruitment and backroom staff, though you seem to think you know what we need more than them.
Yeah exactly. Who knows though, maybe if Ten Hag just puts him up as a target man / fox in the box with Mount + Bruno to take defenders away, it might be a big success for the system.
What point are you making? Half of the players you listed would score twice as many goals against Serie A's crap defending. Chris Smalling is one of the league's best defenders and he was embarrassing in the Premier League.
All examples from the Premier League where it's much harder to perform.
There's no way for any of us to know as much as our *cough* scouts and the manager about this lad. I've been a fan for a while and think he'll go on to do big things, but that doesn't mean that he will because I thought Sancho would be an amazing signing for us...
What are the options though? We can't afford a Kane or Osimhen, Kolo Muani is probably just as likely or unlikely to be a success as Hojlund and Ramos looks very average in pretty much every department. At least we'll be getting an exciting youngster to get behind who has the potential to be a top striker.
What are the options though? We can't afford a Kane or Osimhen, Kolo Muani is probably just as likely or unlikely to be a success as Hojlund and Ramos looks very average in pretty much every department. At least we'll be getting an exciting youngster to get behind who has the potential to be a top striker.
Then how is that Hojlund's fault? Perhaps our shit attackers should start picking up the slack and put some balls in the back of the net, they were in positions to do so, they aren't here to carry water and our main striker do everything.
Some of the takes on here are insane. Are you seriously arguing that jesus would score twice as many goals playing for Atalanta than for Arsenal?
This was a lot funnier in your head.
Premier League proven is a complete myth i'm sorry to say
He's likely not going to, but the way you say toughest league as if it's some crazy thing for a striker to score double digits in is laughable.
Do you know who scored 18 goals in 31 appearances in PL? Callum Wilson. You don't need to be an insane striker to score goals in PL. Good movement, instincts and creative players like Bruno constantly feeding you chances will grant you a decent amount of goals alone.
How many of these players were over 50m and if they were how many of them came good?
As for the last part of you guys can just keep crying because a red cafe user doesn’t agree with your opinion
A frankly stupid take but i've come to expect that on this forum and in this thread. Chris Smalling was embarassing in the Premier League? The man was signed by Sir Alex and played over 323 matches for us, and won the title more than once.. how the hell do you expect such a terrible player to have ever done that for us?
Absolutely no nuance to anything or anyone at all, it's oh i see number on paper and that's it, my mind is made up now. Perhaps you should also take into consideration how Atalanta play football which is to say they aren't the best team around with the best players, perhaps we should be taking into account that by all metrics measured his movement in and around the box is already one of the best in Europe, that his shots to goals ratio is actually one of the highest in Serie A last season, that at a young age he is already physically aggressive and capable whilst being one of the fastest players across a distance around, that metrics showing how he moves and plays will play into Rashford and or Garnacho's way of playing on the left
I could go on and on but what's the point.. perhaps ETH and our recruitment team look a little deeper than 9 gOaLs lAsT SeAsOn
Wait..you surely don't mean to tell me that the market fluctuates? That players prices rise and fall depending on supply and demand!? That inflation and other economic factors play a part in this!?
I can assure you nobody is crying, I know you obviously are because KaNe aNd OsImHeN, but what's actually going on is you're just getting pushback on your opinion because it's a very simple minded one and you're the one crying about that
I also find the idea that Hojlund is ready to lead the line laughable. It’s just blind optimism
Well, I don't think he is, but I think it is a much better choice than spending money on a short-term striker who ultimately will never be good enough.
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