Feels like he’s a scapegoat because of the price tag for the shite that’s happening right now. Really does my head in.
You'd think for the money he'd be better on the ball.
Yeah funnily enough he actually has more to his game compared to Haaland. The only thing letting him down (not in this game) has been his over eagerness which has let to him snatching at chances and in some cases missing the ball.
Darwin actually puts in a much greater shift that Haaland based on what I've seen, if you're looking at all around contribution.
Control a football would be a start.
Did you see Salah's control all night? No, because there wasn't any.
Nobody should be judging ANYTHING of Darwin at the moment.
Haaland vs Núñez is a funny comparison.
Haaland is going to be top class but he wouldn’t join us due to wages plus guaranteed trophies at City. It does suck but Núñez could still be a success
He cost 1.66 times more than Haaland but he is not 1.66 times a better player.
that’s enough RAWK for me tonight
I mean where do with even start with the utter pig headed stupidity in this thread?
Firstly, Haaland cost more than him. There were 40m in agent fees in excess of the fee Dortmund received. Haaland is also paid 3x more than Nunez in wages. Darwin has been disappointing so far, the red card, his positioning, general poor touch and skills. He's definitely a work in progress but he has shown glimpses. He's unlucky he came into this side when he did, because we're awful at the moment, and that's not on him.
Anyone writing him off at the moment in a team that’s badly struggling, needs to use their common sense.
He's hardly played. He's got 1.14 goal contributions per 90 right now in all competitions.
I get the Haaland comparisons because of the price tag. But Haaland is a generational talent. It's unfair to compare both.
He is however expected to be doing more. Much more.
I haven't seen anyone blaming him for the loss.
But for 100M you'd expect him to be much better at controlling the ball, link-up play and scoring from half chances.
Weird weird comment. I mean, genuinely bizarre.
I was more amused (shocked ?) with Salah not being able to trap the ball tonight. Darwin is an afterthought in this broken team.
I can't believe we spent £170 million on this lad. Madness.
Only £120m if he doesn't fulfill his potential, luckily.
I can't believe we still go on about this tripe. We bought him for the price Benfica demanded off us. We did not decide to pay the amount we did.
No one really wants to admit it but everyone is thinking it
Some genuinely weird posts in here tonight
They aren't weird.
They are just fecking stupid.
If FSG sacked Klopp I wouldn't go to anfield again whilst they're in charge.
FSG won’t sack Klopp simply because no other top manager would work under their transfer model
We'll have to ride the wave this season. Everyone is mentally out of it. Good thing is we have a world cup break.
The run of form we are having can happen to any team.
Jesus fecking wept - I kind of guessed this would be coming from certain quarters but not from Liverpool fans.
I am actually hearing calls from for Jurgen Klopp to be sacked.
Let me be clear on what should be the stance from ALL Liverpool fans. With no exceptions. None. You can question choices. You can voice your anger, but:
Get to feck ANYONE who even thinks he should lose his job. Nauseating to the extreme. I'm fecking livid and utterly appalled at the mere suggestion that he should be offed as you all should be.
I won't hear a word against Rafa. My eldest has his middle name from him.
As for Klopp, no one is perfect and I trust him to reflect and start a plan
for what's not working. He's been a bit off lately but you'd back him
to sort things out.
I'll be the one to say it... Klopp needs to shoulder a lot of the blame for the state we're in at the moment:
- Persisting with the high line when we had no pace at the back with all our centre back injuries
- Persisting with the high line at the start of this season when we've got a utter lack of pressure in midfield
- Playing Elliott as an 8 in a three man midfield when he's clearly a 10 or a wide playmaker in a 4231
- Whatever the feck the plan is with the Trent/Elliott/Salah axis of nothingness
- Not budging from the 433 that clearly isn't working
- Wanting to give contracts to his ageing generals when their legs have gone or they're on the way out
Loyalty is to be admired, but we're a football club, not a charity. I do wonder if the tactical stuff is the influence of Lijnders though.
Kloppo … you need to speak to [The above poster]. He has all the answers to our problem. Replacing you with [The above poster] may not be a bad shout either
Thank you for your support. I'll do RAWK proud.
I know Rafa was a cock at times, but he would have defo been calling out the owners for what they are. Tight arsed c*nts
feck off with that shit you bellend.
The disrespect Rafa gets, even from some of our own is a joke. Gave me some of my favourite memories and that's not even mentioning how much of a good man he is.
Like I said, at times. He wasn't perfect (ask Xabi Alonso about being asked to miss the birth of his child), but he'd be calling FSG out.
I just got a text from a mate “Klopps race is run”
I’ll wait till I see him before I give him a dig in the arm for it.
Aye, FSG wouldn't know whats hit them if they did the unthinkable.
They’d be forced to sell the club simple as that. Doesn’t bare thinking about. He is the best and has given me the best memories as a Liverpool fan.
if we finished 6th or lower which is a possibility imo
any sane Liverpool fan would demand FSG to stump up some more transfer funds to rebuild the squad
"Due to lack of Champions League football revenue Liverpool will not spend big this summer but will target next summer as the one to go big. Jurgen Klopp has been assured a war chest is ready for when his side are back in Europes big competition" - James Pearce.
I am not the only one having fun, look at @crossy1686 doing Gods work. @Chief123 as well. @Carolina Red enjoyed it very much too.
I kinda miss it.I think she deserve a namechange to the one me and Billy Blaggs gave her!
But you're the boss.
Out of appreciation for your hard work, I try to chip in here and there after coming across some gems while having a cup of tea.
We still have 2 months of potential drubbings. Ajax next week and Chelsea with a new manager and an inevitable resurgence from them could cause further misery for them. TastyCan't wait! I think the WC might spare his blushes actually. The break will help people forget that they've been battered most weekends.
Unless they have the most fortunate cup run, I agree with you on that.I think Klopp goes this season. They aren’t winning any trophies this year.
What would you say is going on in these clips then?
Agreed on blaming individuals as pretty much everyone has had a mare.
This is staggering.
It is like you are playing a six a side.
You could never ever level lack of effort at any of our lads but this looks awful.
If he keeps playing like that then he won’t go to the World Cup. He has showed that he could defend but on last night he was half hearted to say the least.
However collectively I think the whole team did not defend well not just him.
He willgo to the world cup but Southgate wont pick him. For one the press would happily want a scape goat if they went out and would love to target Trent and target Southgate for picking him. Thats the pressure all England managers will be under because he is a target for them.
Good for us though, dont give a shit about whether he gets picked or not and I hope he doesn't.
It’s almost as if all the praise so young has got to his head, he needs to remember as quick as you get to the top, it’s even quicker to go down, and he has a host of rival fans media and players waiting on his downfall.
I think him getting dropped from England may be a good thing he needs to realise he’s in a generation of incredibly talented Rbs and they don’t actually need him to do well especially if he is playing like this for us.
Chippy KloppyThe signing of Ramsey should have helped but the old Anfield Witch has put the injury spell on him.
if FSG sacked klopp we would ALL go to anfield - en masse
FSG won’t sack Klopp simply because no other top manager would work under their transfer model
We've outgrown FSG, simple as that. They took us over when we needed stability and they brought us success which is a bonus. But for a club like Liverpool FC to work on a transfer policy like this is unsustainable, we're not looking to just hit top 4 every season like FSG think we might.
"It looks like we have to re-invent ourselves" -Klopp
Hopefully this means a change in system as teams are ruthlessly exploiting our current one.
Regarding 'sacking' Klopp, FSG ain't that dumb! If they were stunned at the reaction to proposals to increase ticket prices and the Super League, they won't know what the hell hit them if they got rid of the boss!!!
He is incredible. People forget it but in 20/21 Guardiola, off the back of losing the league title to us in the previous season, had a really dodgy start as they were shipping goals galore. He then acknowledged he needed to change and they became much more solid and won two league titles.
Klopp will sort it.
I remember Leicester gave them an absolute hiding that season; 5-2 in the second game of the season at the Emptihad and Shoestring started being more pragmatic I think. It didn't work for them immediately; they only won 5 of their first 12 if you can believe that. Then they won 15 league games in a row! Actually lost 4 of their last 11 but won the title easily.
Zero knee jerking from intelligent Liverpool supporters. We have feasted for so long and we can make do with a few pot noodles. Master chef needs to sort the food cupboard and maybe grow or buy some new ingredients
Even if we can't sell players like Ox, we should be able to loan them out to get their wages(or a decent chunk) off our books.
'Hi, it's Liverpool FC here. We've got a talented player who is always injured. Would you like him for a season? He's on £125,000 a week and averages about 10 or 15 games a year'.
Good luck with closing that deal.
Even if there were clubs willing to buy or loan the likes of Ox or Keita, there's still the four factors that Lobo highlighted that all need to align - plus a fifth one, which is the players agent not being a dick by wanting too much.
...Yeh who would be stupid enough to sign a perma crock on massive wages.
His name is Arthur Melo.
I’m getting a little concerned about our ability to bring in young prospects that go on to be first team players. Before Elliot and Carvalho, who have started well, I can only think of Gomez and before him Sterling. We bring in “top prospects” constantly and none of them seem to make the grade. I suppose we make good money out of some of them.
The likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea have spent countless amounts of money all the way through the seasons we were dicing with City, and it hasn't got them anywhere. Look at how much United alone have spent.
Nobody is saying we should spend money for the sake of it. Equally, you could argue that City and Chelsea have spent lots and won leagues and European cups. Nobody is saying it’s that simple. We keep going on about how recruitment and analytics departments are world-leading. If that’s true then we should be able to identify players. Perhaps the risk we should be taking is to get targets in earlier. Why wait until Tchou Tchou is on everyone’s radar? Could we have moved for someone like him or Kessie or even Haaland before they became pretty safe bets? It feels like we wait until it’s absolutely obvious they are a top player. Then convince ourselves we will get them “next” summer and then watch them go to Madrid, Barca, Chelsea or City.
One example is losing a good young squad player like Neco Williams to raise funds who we could rotate with Trent and give him a rest (i.e. Tsimikas at left back) but then repeatedly fail to move on someone like Ox until their contract expires.
You make that sound like clubs are queuing up to buy him and he's desperate to leave. I highly doubt either of those scenarios are the reality.
It's hardly fair to say the club has 'repeatedly failed' at something they don't have full control over
- Andre-Frank Anguissa, age 26.
- Victor Osimhen, age 23.
Both were such a menace to play against yesterday... My dumb conclusion is, when you are young you can run much much longer, and faster than 30-year-old.
When Napoli continued the onslaught by scoring a fourth just two minutes after the break... It killed me inside.
We played into Osigoal's hands. He's a menace on the counter but against deeper defences, he's not as threatening. I hope we adapt our ractics in the 2nd leg.
With respect to Napoli, they are exactly the sort of club we should be bullying in the transfer market. Pick the bones of great (but not rich or powerful) clubs. Ferguson did this a lot. He was constantly swiping the best players from the likes of Newcastle, Spurs and Villa. It was rare that they would go and raid Madrid, Bayern, Inter or even the likes of Arsenal.
We were poor. But also got fecked over by the officials.
MAybe, I thought we were so bad it made the official's an irrelevance. That second penalty was pretty soft though.
VVD is running in a straight line alongside him Never a pen.
Pen was a pen blatant handball, second pen was a pen too, pathetic defending from Van Dijk, we were second to everything and committing silly fouls, cant recall any bad offside calls
We were rancid. It has nothing to do with the ref.
This one I love with the heavy food references and poetic metaphors for their fortunes.Zero knee jerking from intelligent Liverpool supporters. We have feasted for so long and we can make do with a few pot noodles. Master chef needs to sort the food cupboard and maybe grow or buy some new ingredients
Oh, and this nonsense about our form being the result of Mane leaving? I mean, our best player this season has been the guy who came in in January, made an instant impact in a similar role to Mane, and was probably a factor in us not doing much to keep Mane. And how has Mane leaving impacted everyone else? Did he glue lead strips into everyone's boots before he cleared out his locker? FFS!
Definitely agree with this.
Mane leaving is not why we are where we are.
Funny how City don't look mentally knackered despite them losing to Real Madrid in such a comical way after being set and done to the Final, then going to down 2-0 at home and coming back and winning the league. The painful truth is we have some players who are not good enough anymore who should've been sold this summer. It's wonderful that Klopp is compassionate with his players, but he need to start being strict and ship players who are not good enough anymore.
Maybe they would be mentally knackered if they lost the league but the main difference for them is the money means they will always be back again and they know it, hangover seasons are a thing, and they are very common.
When a team comes close to greatness and falls just short, it is very hard to pick yourself up again, you are even seeing it with Rangers this season, their players simply aren't over missing out on the Europa League, you saw it with Spurs in 19/20, etc.
...Usually, when we get beat fairly heavily, I'll look at the xG and be like, ah it was closer than we thought, they just finished well. But last night we just got sliced open and deservedly got trounced. 3.2 xG against excluding the penalties. Fair play to Napoli, they have some excellent talents I had never heard of, but even City haven't managed to open us up that much in recent years.
I was gonna stay out of the expected FSG pile-on....but wow
Go on then. What parts are so out of order?
And don't get me wrong - the Glazers are terrible people and leeches, so perhaps I sounded too charitable to them. But are we really going to say that FSG aren't 100% about just fattening up the asset without spending a penny? They're tight as feck and expecting Klopp to pull rabbits out of hats.
They made around £550m by selling a 10% stake to Redbird they don't take money out.
That Kvaratskhelia dude is feckin mental.
What a player.
sneaky bid to Zenit for Lovren this winter?
No his politics are trash, don't want him in the club ever again after going full MAGA, full Covid denier as well.