Ronaldo's ego
Incorrectly predicted the 2020 US Election
A reflection of the state of the club.
Enable sheep mode, ez.Everything surrounding the club right now breeds negativity. How do you expect the fans to remain positive?
The fans who are happy with the way things are going with Ole, and are optimistic for the future, are somehow the ones responsible for most of the anger and venom being spouted these days?! That's quite a stretch.For me, the worst offenders on here are the patronising posters who get on their moral high horse at the mere sight of any Ole critique. Instead of debating, they resort to put downs and condescending rubbish. Their lack of self awareness towards the perceived 'toxicity' is mind boggling or just plain cognitive dissonance.
Superb answer. Everything is a simple reaction and determination of results and performances.A reflection of the state of the club.
Yes, 3 dismal league performances and that magnificent run post lockdown has completely vanished from people's minds.
In reality, it takes a lot less than these 3 performances to bring the mob out, though. 1 loss, even if it wasn't deserved, is enough for some to grab the pitch forks.
You can't see the wood for the trees. Just like the initial "Ole at the wheel" run, the performances started to get suspect after the initial burst and lesser teams were giving us problems. The forum was full of concerned fans thinking we may not make CL last season as we were getting dicked on by Chelsea, West Ham, Southampton, etc. If you think it's just these 3 results then that's amusing.I still can't understand how we look so poorly now. It feels like a different team.
Fitness might be a small part, but we don't run and work together well as a unit at all.
Yet it is largely the same players.
I have never thought Ole was the right man for us long term. Although he is better than this with his management.
I wonder if things behind the scenes are worse than we think. Has he lost part of the squad?
Overall I have my own concerns regarding Ole and his ability, I am not blind to his shortcomings, but still support him of course.You can't see the wood for the trees. Just like the initial "Ole at the wheel" run, the performances started to get suspect after the initial burst and lesser teams were giving us problems. The forum was full of concerned fans thinking we may not make CL last season as we were getting dicked on by Chelsea, West Ham, Southampton, etc. If you think it's just these 3 results then that's amusing.
Lucky you, I though Simle Plan was right.And yet I'm addict.
Shit... Britney was right all along.
On my way down.Overall I have my own concerns regarding Ole and his ability, I am not blind to his shortcomings, but still support him of course.
My posts were not about those who have longstanding, legitimate concerns with the manager, it's those who can't help but get personal with disgusting insults after every tiny thing that goes wrong.
You can climb down off that horse now.
In the old system you had to prove you could make interesting contributions to discussions and offer measured and reasonable responses in order to get the ten likes you needed.Are you for real, as all these threads that are being complained about, are not threads started by "newbies" but by you "older" posters, so you are as guilty as anyone in this issue.
It's also like when you start here and read the rules, one of them, no txt speech, look at how many "older" posters do that or simply reply with a child like emoji. It's like when you get full member staus on here, the rules go out the fecking window.
Fair point really.In the old system you had to prove you could make interesting contributions to discussions and offer measured and reasonable responses in order to get the ten likes you needed.
Nowadays at least half the posts I see offer literally nothing of any value to anybody
Nope. You obviously didn't read my post correctly or you misconstrued it. I'm saying there's a certain 'type' of Ole in poster who is as bad a a certain of 'type' of Ole out poster. Both sides have very rational posters who are more than willing to have a sensible debate. However, there's a certain 'type' of Ole in poster: the one which doesn't debate in a constructive manner and would rather skew stats, attempt to come across as a 'better supporter', come across extremely condescending/patronising to anyone who shares a different view and overall just wum and fan the flames. There's only a handful of these posters - one in particular- and yeah, they are responsible for a-lot of the petty bickering. Their posts aren't hard to find nor is it difficult to decipher who I'm talking about.The fans who are happy with the way things are going with Ole, and are optimistic for the future, are somehow the ones responsible for most of the anger and venom being spouted these days?! That's quite a stretch.
Putting on tinted glasses and sticking heads in sand should helpEnable sheep mode, ez.
Oh yeahYes you do
Must have quite the short memory then because we haven't reached a fraction of the toxicity that existed here during Jose's final months of hell...For the most part I feel it's just regular football discussions in a club that isn't doing too well. The one thing I do find toxic is the Solskjaer issue. It's very divisive, to a level that it feels too similar to the pro-Netanyahu or anti-Netanyahu discussions in Israel (or, I would assume, pro-Trump or anti-Trump in the USA).
Not the OP, but surely the very post before yours, is a pretty textbook example of being toxic?@UnitedSofa the problem with the OP is that I've seen it before and it's usually posted by those who disagree with the opinions which they call negative.
Now I do agree that there are indeed negative aspects or posts in the forum, but I don't think that's what you're talking about; you're talking about something different. So we need to identify exactly what you mean by toxic. Because your definition seems to be simply "that which you disagree with", which does nothing to discuss the actually unhealthy aspects on the forums.
Maybe. I feel it's much worse this time around. To the level that the focus at times is not about United anymore but Solskjaer himself. It doesn't matter what we do on the pitch, but whether it fits ones Solsjaer agenda.Must have quite the short memory then because we haven't reached a fraction of the toxicity that existed here during Jose's final months of hell...
It was truly a civil war on the caf those final 10 months
Social media constantly reinforces and encourages outrage on twitter- Facebook etc., it's no surprise that it trickles in the CAF. I agree, the knee jerk shit storm that follows every single damn thing United does is beyond exhausting and terrible for the club's mentality. Media sources know this and feed the fan base's appetitie for negativity with click bait garbage always skewed against United.Not too sure where to put this, but I enjoyed coming to this place over the years and only lately have started to post more.
But I have seen far too many posts lately that are being abusive to our own manager, abusive to our own players, abusive to the owners, abusive to the CEO it's just disgusting to see.
Plenty of Ole Out threads that come up time and time again, 'predicting the date of when Ole gets the sack', "next man utd manager xx/xx" - I hate to see it because those type of threads are just full of the typical toxic football fan.
"Predict the date Ole gets the sack" What the fcuk?!
Our club has become divided and this isn't the place nor is it the time to discuss those matters, which have contributed to it.
But I'm fed up of seeing people attributed to our club get personal abuse and disgusting takes thrown their way.
Just now the Maguire one, where someone is calling for a new captain at the club. Calling Maguire all the names under the sun over a 30 second clip of him calming Rashford down, accepting the ref's decision and getting the players to get back into the game again. (Again not the time to discuss it, go to the thread) - 30 seconds! They're basing his whole captaincy on 1 30 second clip. What's he gonna do shout and scream at the ref and get booked himself?
The toxicity has skyrocketed since not getting Sancho and people are slating every single player we have bought this summer. Yet we haven't even seen them play yet.
RedCafe is in danger of becoming a toxic place to be for Man Utd fans and we need to get back to how it used to be. A fun place to discuss, everything Man Utd related.
There's something in that.Not the OP, but surely the very post before yours, is a pretty textbook example of being toxic?
Childishly mocks a group of fans who may disagree with him and calls one of our players garbage. Again not that he has been poor, or hasn't lived up to expectation, or is playing like garbage, but that he is in fact garbage.
The thing that I don't like is how everything is black and white. You can't have an opinion without being labelled "agenda-driven" or "fanboy". There is no in-between.For the most part I feel it's just regular football discussions in a club that isn't doing too well. The one thing I do find toxic is the Solskjaer issue. It's very divisive, to a level that it feels too similar to the pro-Netanyahu or anti-Netanyahu discussions in Israel (or, I would assume, pro-Trump or anti-Trump in the USA).
I’ve been told “I’m talking shit” three times this week already. For having perfectly reasonable opinions on things.There's something in that.
One thing to note about interactions is that dissenting opinions, especially those strongly voiced, can make one feel negative emotions, and that could lead to the opinions being erroneously described as toxic. That combined with the nature of online interactions where social etiquette is greatly reduced and a minority could seem like a mob, and you get conclusions such as a 'toxic forum'.
Now while I personally agree with your statement that the post could be described as toxic, the problem is that if I simply change some subjects in the post to fit what I agree with, that sentiment could go away quickly. For instance if I'm an 'Ole outer', I could frame the sentence to be: " So Ole fans are now so upset their hero is garbage they are going to start threads to insult those of us who know it" and completely agree with it, but if I'm a Maguire fan then the original post would be toxic.
And that ultimately is the problem. Bias often influences what people would view as toxic or (especially) not. Something which agrees with my point of view would be viewed nowhere near as toxic as something which doesn't, even though to a neutral both would be viewed as equally good or bad. That needs to be recognized first in order to identify which posts are actually toxic.
Great example of the kind of toxic post we could all do without.So Maguire fans are now so upset their hero is garbage they are going to start threads to insult those of us who know it
Great example of the kind of toxic post we could all do without.
Is he really garbage though?You can't call out an entire site as being toxic because people have a different view to you . Maguire recieved a lot of praise last season for reasons unknown to me but i never threw my toys out of the pram. This season he has been rightly criticised for some truly horrible performances and some people who keep trying to justify his fee seem unable to handle it hence these threads
No one insults the fans of opposite opinions more than the top reds who think they know the right way of supporting the club and everyone else is spoilt.Not the OP, but surely the very post before yours, is a pretty textbook example of being toxic?
Childishly mocks a group of fans who may disagree with him and calls one of our players garbage. Again not that he has been poor, or hasn't lived up to expectation, or is playing like garbage, but that he is in fact garbage.
Here're several of his other old posts :Absolute joke of a fanbase atm. The whole fanbase is toxic, a lot of them are fickle and have only experienced the highs and not the lows. So crave more of it.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tra...-before-posting.447057/page-640#post-24441838The entitlement and delusion of our fans never stops to astound me.
Because we don't get players in at the click of a finger we are all of a sudden 'pathetic' - would love to have seen the sh*t that would definitely got have flung Gills way if Twitter was as big as it is now.
Absolute joke.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tra...-before-posting.447057/page-893#post-24524532The meltdown from entitled fans in here is going to be incredible! hahahaha!
Moans and whinges there’s no clear philosophy with LVG/Mou/Moyes
*Signs a manager with a clear playing style and philosophy*
WHY ARENT WE MAKING HUGE MARQUEE SIGNINGS FOR THE SAKE OF IT WE’RE A BANTER CLUB *Throws plates at wall, toys out of pram
Dybala and his alleged mercenary ways can go to Spurs for all I care. I want players who will play through their skin for the club not their wage.
Like I said in numerous other threads. Our club is full of entitled fans.
As JJ12 quite rightly said, if Dybala or Eriksen had signed, this thread would NEVER have been made and Ed would be a god.
Fickle, Privileged and Entitled.
I hope and pray that Ole and the youngsters coming through prove all the doubters wrong. A rebuild will take TIME. Some of you clearly don't have any patience whatsoever.
Our fanbase is an absolute joke at the moment.
Oh we got 3 new toys, instead of 4,5 or 6, so let's throw our toys out the pram!
Ugh.
The entitlement reeks of desperation in here haha!
OLE OUT!
New manager bounce - results get poor
NEW MANAGER OUT!
Rinse and Repeat.
Too many of you have been blessed by good results and it shows.
God forbid anyone of you supported Liverpool the last decade or so....mid table fodder and an almost there team...change manager and what’dya know have him time instead of keep changing the manager and now one of the two best teams in the country.
Some of you guys don’t deserve to be called “fans” - a fan supports the team through thick and thin, no matter how long the poor results go you should always support the team. I bet most of you would stop supporting us if we ever got relegated!
Disgusting.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tra...-before-posting.447057/page-895#post-24524780You are entitled
We’ve made 3 signings this season, we all knew the club weren’t gonna be rebuilt in 1 window, it’s impossible.
I want players who want to play for the club and not a wage packet. If that means waiting for another couple windows then so be it.
The doom and gloom here is astounding. Just because we didnt sign 4,5,6 players we’re immediately crap.
This thread sums up the fans here perfectly
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/let’s-face-it-united-are-a-has-been-club.449540/
2 days prior he made a thread about how great we are and how amazing we’re looking to become:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can...ebuild-new-core-is-nearing-completion.449419/
Yet because the signings weren’t made, gone from incredibly positive to incredibly negative.
The club simply cannot win
So far this is just the result of a quick search. I can bring plenty more of his posts which all revolve around only one thing : Our fanbase is toxic, entitled and spoilt.It’s true though, a lot of United fans are spoilt & entitled.
What made you think that all of this is about Maguire? I called your post toxic because it was out of place, but also because you sounded positively happy about that one of our players is, in your words, garbage. Whats the point?You can't call out an entire site as being toxic because people have a different view to you . Maguire recieved a lot of praise last season for reasons unknown to me but i never threw my toys out of the pram. This season he has been rightly criticised for some truly horrible performances and some people who keep trying to justify his fee seem unable to handle it hence these threads
I disagree, I find your version of the post equally toxic. You could change the name to any of our players and I would still find it toxic.There's something in that.
One thing to note about interactions is that dissenting opinions, especially those strongly voiced, can make one feel negative emotions, and that could lead to the opinions being erroneously described as toxic. That combined with the nature of online interactions where social etiquette is greatly reduced and a minority could seem like a mob, and you get conclusions such as a 'toxic forum'.
Now while I personally agree with your statement that the post could be described as toxic, the problem is that if I simply change some subjects in the post to fit what I agree with, that sentiment could go away quickly. For instance if I'm an 'Ole outer', I could frame the sentence to be: " So Ole fans are now so upset their hero is garbage they are going to start threads to insult those of us who know it" and completely agree with it, but if I'm a Maguire fan then the original post would be toxic.
And that ultimately is the problem. Bias often influences what people would view as toxic or (especially) not. Something which agrees with my point of view would be viewed nowhere near as toxic as something which doesn't, even though to a neutral both would be viewed as equally good or bad. That needs to be recognized first in order to identify which posts are actually toxic.
Exactly. Our view of it is similar.I disagree, I find your version of the post equally toxic. You could change the name to any of our players and I would still find it toxic.
There's a few reasons I would find it toxic. Which is why I think it makes a great example.
- Provoking people who disagree with you
- Speaking in absolutes
- Reaching for ulterior motives instead of addressing the actual post
Lastly and probably most controversial is calling one of our players garbage. I don't understand how our fans can take pleasure in saying spiteful things about our players. When someone signs for United, as a fan, I feel a level of affinity towards them. I want them to do well, because I want the club to do well.
This shouldn't be confused with criticism, or even judging our players more favourably. If I said "Maguire has been poor this season. He hasn't lived up to my expectations, I think his lack of pace is causing us issues tactically" vs "Maguire is trash". Both are critical, but I think only one is toxic.