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Rio hits out at Moyes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
What the feck do you want us to do, man?Here is more........Quite damning! Especially the video and Vidic part
Normally these sort of things should be left behind closed doors, but the amount of shite that the club has taken for sacking Moyes is way over the top. Even people like G. Neville were going way over the top. Maybe now they will understand why the club made the decision they made. It should have been done sooner, way before the new year, but it was eventually corrected.
I think most fans knew that Moyes was way out of his depth at United, this bit of news confirms that.
I think most fans knew that Moyes was way out of his depth at United, this bit of news confirms that.
Who is still defending Moyes?
I don't mind Rio putting this in his biography. I heard all the rumours and even though I tried to imagine that somehow Moyes might come good, I never really believed it. I want to know what went wrong, I want to know why it was so easy for us to tumble from 1st to 7th. How much was confidence, tactics, quality, drive - the psychology of management.
I've got some ideas about it, like everyone else. But I am interested in how it felt from the players side. Obviously it's not necessary for me to know these things. It is pure morbid curiosity, but I am morbidly curious about it.
I've got some ideas about it, like everyone else. But I am interested in how it felt from the players side. Obviously it's not necessary for me to know these things. It is pure morbid curiosity, but I am morbidly curious about it.
This book is going to do more damage to Moyes than I first thought, yes the Everton players praised him publicly but they also said Martinez was a breath of fresh air and was a very positive manager, now this.
Oooh dear Moyes, you really did feck up.
Oooh dear Moyes, you really did feck up.
Yes he did, he nearly did...
Are there any excerpts of Rio blaming himself or his teammates for the shambolic season?
What a surprise that a classic line-hugging winger comes out in support of classic throwback British manager favouring prehistoric wing tactics.
Not really, if you read it properly, you'd know that it was just a ritual. May be silly to you, but I'm still astonished at the caf's naivety when it comes to professional footballers, in some aspects they are all children really, I don't find that surprising at all, seeing the antics at other clubs as well. And honestly I don't blame them, they earn loads of money for playing a game, why should United's players be any different to Chelsea's for example? Whenever I read interviews from professional atheles, they all have rituals and all kind of superstition going on. Ferdinand said it himself, it wasn't about eating something unhealthy, they were a professional bunch, it was just a ritual, which they cared about for whatever reason. Of course it's still silly.
Maybe they were playing exactly the way Moyes wanted them to and that was the result.
He'll end up down in the Championship at this rate, very damaging to his career.
The witch hunt escalates I see.
Can't wait when Moyes will release his book with notes about some Manchester United players and their 'world class' ambitions and reasons why Louie was forced to sell 14 players in his first months here.
To be fair David is hardly a victim here after receiving astronomical money from his departure. He could easily sign Fellaini again from his own pocket.
Can't wait when Moyes will release his book with notes about some Manchester United players and their 'world class' ambitions and reasons why Louie was forced to sell 14 players in his first months here.
To be fair David is hardly a victim here after receiving astronomical money from his departure. He could easily sign Fellaini again from his own pocket.
Innocent until proven guilty. There has never been conclusive information to tie Rio in with Disco Mirror's lineup leaks. Just because he acts the prat at times doesn't imply he would deliberately try to sabotage the club. This is a professional of the highest order, someone who has given the bulk of his career to United and is one of our all time greats. It's offensive to assume that he was the one to feed inside club information to the media when one can't provide the evidence to back up those claims.
Why not ? Is honesty a sin ? Rio's being transparent with his readers who are primarily United fans and 90 % of us wish to know what really went on behind closed doors last season.
And no one said the players are blameless. But to single out some like you did is out of order.
Say what you will about van Persie but despite recurring injury the man scored 12 and assisted 3 in 18 league starts. That's brilliant return for someone who came under a lot of criticism for his unprofessional behavior. If he was really a Machiavellian plotter, Robin wouldn't have scored vs Olympiakos which coincidentally ended up prolonging the previous manager's stay.
Same goes for Vida who put down some rock solid performances in defense, the highlight of which was vs Bayern at Old Trafford where he easily our best player.
I'd even go as far as to suggest that the senior players and Giggsy were justified in questioning David's methods. These are people immersed in the United culture. If not for them highlighting the issues, who knows - maybe Moyes would still be incharge. Them kicking up a fuss acted as a catalyst in hastening his exit in combination with the results and long term financial implications.
I don't want to indulge in this debate but to address it a bit, from the players you mentioned -
Wayne was Moyes prodigal son, a benefactory of royal treatment and in want of a massive new contract. Of course he was going to perform.
Januzaj was a debutant and the adrenaline of playing for the first team carried him till December whence he was sat on the bench.
Nether of them had any reason to go against David. Both of them owed him their debuts and the former received special attention.
Wut ? It is a part of football folklore. By your analogy is archiving history or forensic data a waste ? There's always something to be learnt from past mistakes. And Rio going public has made people aware of the United standard and how incompatibility with it can be ruinous - evinced by the past season.
Revisiting the glory days and recounting the events of 2013/ 2014 are two separate issues. People will associate what they want to but those who saw him at his pomp will always remember those times. What do people most remember Georgie Best for ? Butchering Benfica and being in Sir Matt's arms after it or the to and fro with Frank O'Farrell. People emote with positive reminiscing and Rio's United legacy has been set in stone.
The comment about the narrow 4222 is interesting. Sounds like he would have sabotaged Van Gaal too. Getting rid of senior players who aren't open to new ideas is obviously more important than I thought. We're probably well rid of Rio, Evra and Vidic.
Away teams can't always get closed door training facilities at European matches. I assume Rio means we had to use a (pre-booked!) public pitch but that instead of a few routine drills and a practice match, they did proper setpiece training.
As for the chips.
They have their own chefs with them when they're together pre-match. Some of the rituals have probably built up over years including when/what the players want to eat, and low-fat chips aren't really a major dietary offence, even for footballers.
Yeah there's no doubt the players have to take the blame which is why Rio got shipped out minutes after the final whistle was blown. That doesn't mean the players like Moyes when he comes round to it should not have the chance to state their story.The witch hunt escalates I see.
Can't wait when Moyes will release his book with notes about some Manchester United players and their 'world class' ambitions and reasons why Louie was forced to sell 14 players in his first months here.
To be fair David is hardly a victim here after receiving astronomical money from his departure. He could easily sign Fellaini again from his own pocket.
If you mean Moyes, then yeah it is incredibly damaging. He shouldn't be so picky where he ends up and given the amount of money we gave him, he should go abroad for a bit.
Those statements sounds like someone here ghostwrote it.
We have real published authors on the Caf', we're a little above Rio's ghost writer.
I seem to remember that the players were constantly blaming themselves throughout the season and never once directly blamed Moyes or his tactics, they defended the club and took the blame for the poor performances. Something Moyes never, ever, did, during or since.
Absolutely. Gotta be 100% objective and also look from player's perspective.
RVP may have even more to say than Rio in that matter. Also I think LVG would love to communicate even more detriments of David's work here but fellow managers have in habit to cover someone else's ass to avoid unnecessary media chaos around the club.
Yep that makes Ferdinand come across like G.Neville when he was banging on about the history of United and wingers. Moyes was terrible but there shouldn't of been a problem if he wanted to move away from 'tradition'.
I don't understand his quote about Moyes wanting to change tactics and abandon wingers, because that clearly never happened.
There isn't much detail provided but I imagine as he refers to 'low fat chips' that this was a 'treat' given to professional athletes who normally have to avoid (except Ando) many types of food that they see friends and family enjoy.
Before people start going on about how childish it is I think you should look at the bigger picuture: If this was a concession that nutritionists had calculated they could give the players, perhaps even as something special on the pre-match nights they had to spend at a hotel rather than at home, don't you think that this could be another demonstration of Moyes' poor management style?
Perhaps if he had looked into the background to this food concession then he may have thought twice about making the change rather than being seen as laying down the law to assert authority, which is how it comes across from Rio.
Chip-gate may have been a storm in a tea-time cup but it should not be dismissed as a player tantrum - it could just as easily be seen as yet another example of poor man-management by a new boss desperate to make a mark but not knowing how to do it in a positive way...
I was thinking that myself actually. I'm still glad Moyes was sacked and I'm actually quite fond of Rio these days but he comes across as very stubborn and old fashioned there. You have to evolve with the times.
It's the same thing that worries me about Giggs eventually becoming manager one day but that's another discussion I suppose.
I'd love to hear from the day to day employees at the club....People like the groundsman, catering staff, stewards etc etc
Various reports in fanzines say that he didn't get on with any of them
Various reports in fanzines say that he didn't get on with any of them
If there was someone who should know what the job was all about was SAF. He covered the role for more then two decades. I love SAF but there's too much thing pointing to that direction
a) The way SAF ridiculously overrated the likes of Phelan, Ando and Cleverley in his autobiography
b) His insistence of not strengthening CM (conveniently made up of 4 homegrown talent and 'special boy' Ando) as opposed to the brutal way he treated 'bad boy' Rooney.
c) The appointment of a mid EPL table manager as successor someone who had never won anything and would have never got the job without his help
d) The almost automatic transition the class of 92 had from players to coaches.
e) SAF's constant presence during the Moyes era as opposed to what is happening now under VG.
Call me a cynic but I find plenty of parallels between the Busby-O-Farrell transition and the SAF-Moyes transition
a) both left a squad with clear problems that needed to be tackled in a radical way
b) both remained at OT as directors
c) both chose a successor who was clearly not good enough and that despite there were better options around
d) both continued to shift outside their boundaries as directors
It's alright....LVG, I think, has brainwashed Giggs with this "philosophy" crap.
I believe in LVG, I love the guy and he can have all the time in the world as far as i'm concerned....However, I hate that word!
Lads... Less Moyes, more LO LO LLLOOO RADAMEL FFAALLCCAAOO!
His performance, his snipes towards the manager (especially when he got fired) etc were ridiculous. As a veteran he should behaved better then that.
IMO what becomes obvious more than everything with this is Moyes' inability to convince the players that he was setting the club and players on the right path. Van Gaal is changing a lot and he can do it, because he's been ruthless, decisive and demands respect, something Moyes clearly lacked.
Do you actually believe Ferdinand was leaking line ups mate?
There has never been any proof of this probably because its just not true, a few people have mentioned it in this thread now. Baffling that this nonsense keeps being repeated.
Ferdinand played for Alex Ferguson for over a decade and was made club captain someone with the type of character to achieve those feats would not be so unprofessional to leak his own teams line ups.
I doubt that LVG needed to brainwash Giggs. LVG is a world class manager. Giggs is an inexperienced assistant manager who is still working on his coaching badges and is lucky that LVG accepted him as an AM. Under such circumstances Its his way or the highway.It's alright....LVG, I think, has brainwashed Giggs with this "philosophy" crap.
I believe in LVG, I love the guy and he can have all the time in the world as far as i'm concerned....However, I hate that word!
Don't feel bad for Moyes. He will be managing Newcastle in a few weeks. Will sign a 6 year deal.
"They tell me it's a big club"
Wonder how the lard Geordies will react when he bans chips
But taking jabs at your manager and leaking it to the press is captain material?
Well throughout the season, Moyes constantly laid the blame at the players door. It's only fair they tell their side of the story too.
I think the senior players would have been open to new ideas if it came from someone with authority like Van Gaal.
But it does make things a lot easier undoubtedly.
The biggest problem was he moved away from the tradition of winning. I'm sure the players could accept change if it isn't negative.