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I think that will actually improve his form but he'll need support.Play the player in even worse form than him up top... right
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I think that will actually improve his form but he'll need support.Play the player in even worse form than him up top... right
He got played off the right against Brazil where he had more space to run into as he was deemed not good enough to lead the line because of his inability to operate in tight zones.Well being “very good against Brazil” goes against the narrative that he’s a flat track bully. So of course it proved something.
Still missed sitters in the bigger games though...Well being “very good against Brazil” goes against the narrative that he’s a flat track bully. So of course it proved something.
Try something new. Sanchez did well up top in pre-season.Play the player in even worse form than him up top... right
Why not play Martial there, a player who actually in the last couple games he played looked decent. Or try Rashford. Why play a player who isn't actually a striker in the striker position just because he is a big name?Try something new. Sanchez did well up top in pre-season.
To be fair it's pre season against mainly terrible teams. In good or bad there is little to take from pre season games.Try something new. Sanchez did well up top in pre-season.
But when was he ever in form for us? Spurs can rely on Kane - we've never been able to rely on Rom.Take into account the context when replying.
I'm just pointing out that it is only natural that he isn't in form now given that he played mid July in Russia and others who did the same are not in form too.
A bit true unfortunatelly. Lukaku and Pogba are probably the most expensive players ever to create so little impact.But when was he ever in form for us? Spurs can rely on Kane - we've never been able to rely on Rom.
Morata is doing much worse.Easily the worst striker by far in the top 6, and considering the money we spent, thats unforgivable.
Because Mourinho started off as a translator in football & his system & his tactics are not wide. He has one type of player he likes to use in certain positions with one type of tactics. It has led to him be successful in every club he has been at so he does not change it.Why not play Martial there, a player who actually in the last couple games he played looked decent. Or try Rashford. Why play a player who isn't actually a striker in the striker position just because he is a big name?
I am all for trying something new. Sanchez doesn't deserve this much though, hes been utter shite.
We should have had Greenwood on the bench yesterday too, he could have replaced Lukaku
Sanchez isn't the type either though is he.Because Mourinho started off as a translator in football & his system & his tactics are not wide. He has one type of player he likes to use in certain positions with one type of tactics. It has led to him be successful in every club he has been at so he does not change it.
I mean this is fairly simple - but which manager would have got the chance to manage Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Sanchez & Lukaku - and continues to use only one striker as a target man? Someone just posted here saying that Smalling is our 3rd highest goalscorer in 2018 - does not surprise me a tiny bit because of the tactics we use.
The whole 3 year thing is repeated because his tactics (which gets in the way of players like Pogba, de bryune, Hazard, Martial, Ronaldo etc) never change, neither does his off the field methods of using the press as a way of adding pressure on to his players.
Morata is doing much worse.
Morata doesn't score or create many assists hence why Giroud is keeping him out of the team. At least Lukaku can score an acceptable amount of goals. But yes I agree. It doesn't matter much for Chelsea as they have another 4/5 players that can hurt teams.Doesn’t really matter to them though as they have threats from other positions, and I’ve noticed Morata does offer more to the team in general play than Lukaku does for us.
Well he is - I don't see much difference in robben, Ronaldo, Sanchez, an inverted eto'o, the way he tries to use Rashford & Martial.Sanchez isn't the type either though is he.
Sanchez isn't a Jose type of no 9 which he played when he had Robben, Ronaldo, and Eto wide.Well he is - I don't see much difference in robben, Ronaldo, Sanchez, an inverted eto'o, the way he tries to use Rashford & Martial.
I see the way he tries to utilise lukaku like a second Drogba, a higuain or a pandev.
Guardipla for example has used 3 different tactics at his clubs 433 with a false 9, a 352 at bayern, a 4123 at City. They may all have played possession but there is changes in tactics he uses which is adapted to the players he has.
Likewise - I expected Klopp to turn Liverpool to Dprtmund tactics but he hasn't - they just play the same high press football but changes to the system like firminh0 as a false 9 that really help the whole team out.
We have none of that - everyone has a role to play in strict tactics whether it works for them or not.
Jose has tried to turn Martial, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba in to players they are simply not ever going to be good at due to his strict tactics.
Lukaku said it himself - he doesn't want to play like Drogba - yet the tactics he plays in makes him have to do that.
Worst thing was - Lukaku proved to Jose at Chelsea that he wasn't going to be that player; yet he spent 80 odd million expecting him to have changed.
Pogba isn't really an attacking midfielder, not in our team anyway. Last year he had 6 goals and 13 assists in 2145 minutes in the league, this last week he's had like 2 goals and 2 assists in two games. He crushes Eriksen's numbers for Tottenham since last season, so I ask you, what impact are you looking for? Pogba is doing fine, he would look even better with great attackers in front of him and not Lingard, Lukaku and Mata.A bit true unfortunatelly. Lukaku and Pogba are probably the most expensive players ever to create so little impact.
He won't do well if we continue lumping high balls up to the centre forward. Have got to change our attacking plan.Try something new. Sanchez did well up top in pre-season.
Problem is both Rashford & Martial can't step up if they don't get enough chance. They won't step up if they only get one match chance and due to poor performance they got dropped the next game. While Lukaku played poor still been given more chances until he finally actually score goal. Both Rashford & Martial don't get the same amount of love as how much Lukaku got from the manager.He is still our main man up front and biggest threat , but that is not saying much as we so hopeless in attack these days , missing far too many chances for a top class striker. But the truth is we have no better until Rashford steps up consistently so he has to play.
But he was actually a striker by trade at Arsenal. It's different setup, but who knows if we never try Sanchez there? We tried Martial several times already, and he's not that good there. And so did Rashford.To be fair it's pre season against mainly terrible teams. In good or bad there is little to take from pre season games.
Martinez said that's why he played him there? As opposed to, say, playing him in a position where he could exploit Brazil's fullbacks as he indeed did? Which incidentally was the reason he gave for using Lukaku in that role for Everton against Arsenal a few seasons ago.He got played off the right against Brazil where he had more space to run into as he was deemed not good enough to lead the line because of his inability to operate in tight zones.
One season two years ago for Wenger. Sanchez has mainly been an attacking midfielder even for someone like Wenger that uses tactics that are perfect for quick little players.But he was actually a striker by trade at Arsenal. It's different setup, but who knows if we never try Sanchez there? We tried Martial several times already, and he's not that good there. And so did Rashford.
Its ridiculous a club of United stature having only one out and out No 9, how has this been allowed to happen, even Moyes had RVP, Rooney, Chichorito and Wellbeck. We simply must buy another CFW and make Lukaku fight for his place. Cavani or Icardi are available we need to make this happen in the January window.Leicester: One on one with Schmeichel, all the time in the world, Schmeichel saves. Should never have been allowed to.
Brighton: At 0-0, excellent chance to put us 1 up and potentially change that disaster of a result. Scuffs it about 3 yards wide.
Spurs: Open goal after rounding Lloris. Possibly could've taken it back on left and scored. Even still, missed it with his right. Again at 0-0, could've changed the result when we were well on top for that first half.
Wolves: It was offside but he didn't know and it was an absolutely shocking attempt at a totally free header from 8 yards, unmarked. Well wide.
Derby: Another missed one-on-one. Couldn't even hit the target. About three yards wide. Then a missed header from three yards, albeit slightly difficult but isn't he supposed to be excellent in the air? Costly again, chances were at 1-0 up and would've killed the game. Now we're out.
It is ridiculous having a striker that unreliable in front of goal.
We have Rashford or Martial who could be tried out as well but Jose sticks with some players foreverIts ridiculous a club of United stature having only one out and out No 9, how has this been allowed to happen, even Moyes had RVP, Rooney, Chichorito and Wellbeck. We simply must buy another CFW and make Lukaku fight for his place. Cavani or Icardi are available we need to make this happen in the January window.
What makes you believe that Cavani and/or Icardi are "available"? I think PSG and Inter would disagree with you quite emphatically. They are not selling any of their top forwards during the season and a CL-campaign.Its ridiculous a club of United stature having only one out and out No 9, how has this been allowed to happen, even Moyes had RVP, Rooney, Chichorito and Wellbeck. We simply must buy another CFW and make Lukaku fight for his place. Cavani or Icardi are available we need to make this happen in the January window.
Van Nistelrooy would have buried every single one of those chances!Leicester: One on one with Schmeichel, all the time in the world, Schmeichel saves. Should never have been allowed to.
Brighton: At 0-0, excellent chance to put us 1 up and potentially change that disaster of a result. Scuffs it about 3 yards wide.
Spurs: Open goal after rounding Lloris. Possibly could've taken it back on left and scored. Even still, missed it with his right. Again at 0-0, could've changed the result when we were well on top for that first half.
Wolves: It was offside but he didn't know and it was an absolutely shocking attempt at a totally free header from 8 yards, unmarked. Well wide.
Derby: Another missed one-on-one. Couldn't even hit the target. About three yards wide. Then a missed header from three yards, albeit slightly difficult but isn't he supposed to be excellent in the air? Costly again, chances were at 1-0 up and would've killed the game. Now we're out.
It is ridiculous having a striker that unreliable in front of goal.
Fellaini is probably the one player in the squad that fits Mourinhos idea as a No9 the best after Lukaku. Guess we have to clone the big Fella though, since he seems to made the DM position his....Because Mourinho started off as a translator in football & his system & his tactics are not wide. He has one type of player he likes to use in certain positions with one type of tactics. It has led to him be successful in every club he has been at so he does not change it.
I mean this is fairly simple - but which manager would have got the chance to manage Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Sanchez & Lukaku - and continues to use only one striker as a target man? Someone just posted here saying that Smalling is our 3rd highest goalscorer in 2018 - does not surprise me a tiny bit because of the tactics we use.
The whole 3 year thing is repeated because his tactics (which gets in the way of players like Pogba, de bryune, Hazard, Martial, Ronaldo etc) never change, neither does his off the field methods of using the press as a way of adding pressure on to his players.
What makes you think that 120M and 300k per week, three times Icardi current salary doesn't get that deal done and why would either pay second fiddle when they are superior Centre Forwards!What makes you believe that Cavani and/or Icardi are "available"? I think PSG and Inter would disagree with you quite emphatically. They are not selling any of their top forwards during the season and a CL-campaign.
And what makes you think that either of those two would want to come to United to play second fiddle to Lukaku and/or "fight" with him for his place anyhow?
Not going to happen.
Agree but in Sir Alex Squad Lukaku would be 3rd choice and Rashford/Martial fighting their way up the ladder in 4th to 5th !We have Rashford or Martial who could be tried out as well but Jose sticks with some players forever
If you think that Inter for example would sell their captain and arguably best player in the middle of the season you are delirious.What makes you think that 120M and 300k per week, three times Icardi current salary doesn't get that deal done and why would either pay second fiddle when they are superior Centre Forwards!
At one point Welbeck was keeping Berba and chicha on the bench. I am sure Rashford, martial and Rom could be starters for Sir Alex. He would have found a way to play a two striker formation, I think as 2 man partnerships our strikers do complement each other very well. It's just that none were really made to be target man.Agree but in Sir Alex Squad Lukaku would be 3rd choice and Rashford/Martial fighting their way up the ladder in 4th to 5th !
So...you think he's not going to ever make that leap into the elite level of strikers?He's missed sitters and gone through dips his whole career. I reckon he's struggling now more than ever because at Everton although 12th would be considered a bad season for us and we should be pushing for Europa League football, we're not expected to win every game, so if he has dips in form i doubt the pressure would be as much for him. At United that pressure will be magnified to a level he's not used to at all. Last season although disappointing for many of you was a height he's not reached as a full seasoned professional, so to start this one so poorly with the whole team playing trash he needs a bit of help.
Ferguson would have never thought about getting someone like Lukaku to lead the line for him. Rashford and Martial yes but Lukaku no.At one point Welbeck was keeping Berba and chicha on the bench. I am sure Rashford, martial and Rom could be starters for Sir Alex. He would have found a way to play a two striker formation, I think as 2 man partnerships our strikers do complement each other very well. It's just that none were really made to be target man.