Deery
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There’s no way Putin is losing face now, this is his moment something he’s been wanting ever since he got power, could see things getting very bad.
Hadn't read about that. Wouldn't that make you a deserter unable to return to your family in Russia afterwards? And a POW currently? Fecking horrible situation to be (put) in if you're not supporting the war.Well, unmotivated enough to say "to hell with this" and surrender, like that Russian recon unit did.
Well it's their right to die defending their country in a hopeless cause, i just hope they don't. It's not worth thousand of lives only to be invaded anyway.Patriots fighting for the future of their country?
The problem is US ic just lost any credibility since 03. They might regain a bit with this crisis.It was always about a fullscale invasion, as have the US intelligence sources been screaming for almost a month now.
Whatever happens, there's no way back for him now. He has crossed the Rubicon and will never be accepted by the international community and will be regarded as the pariah that he is. No industrialized country will want to do business with Russia until he is removed.There’s no way Putin is losing face now, this is his moment something he’s been wanting ever since he got power, could see things getting very bad.
UraProtests in St-Petersburg, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod... Go on lads!
I don't think the Chinese, Indians or anyone in Asia/Africa will have a problem. Also tbf, the EU are still buying his gas and oil.Whatever happens, there's no way back for him now. He has crossed the Rubicon and will never be accepted by the international community and will be regarded as the pariah that he is. No industrialized country will want to do business with Russia until he is removed.
He wouldn't want his own country to become a wasteland either. I don't think any major superpower will deploy nukes unless from a defensive position. It's all just hot air.Yeah he'll not want an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland near his land if its just Ukraine.
The US though.. he may very well press the button.
If there is one thing we have learned from recent military histary, people do not give up their countries easily. The longer it goes, the worse it is for Putin.Drag it out to what benefit? If they're laying down their lives it would need to be for something and if no one is coming then it's in vain.
It works both ways. NATO has plenty of nuclear weapons of it's own. If they ban Russia from SWIFT (which I think they should do), what's he going to do about it? If he attacks a NATO country, NATO HAS to intervene militarily, otherwise it ceases to exist. He won't win a fight with NATO, it'll be a war with no winners.Unfortunately there is going to have to come a time where someone calls Putin's bluff. Nobody wants war. And certainly nobody wants nuclear war, but unless you are prepared to accept the alternative of Russia (or any other nuclear power) simply doing whatever the feck they want without contestation, then there must come a point where you say "no".
Putin has threatened nuclear war on anyone who intervenes.
Putin has threatened that banning Russia from SWIFT will be seen as a declaration of war.
Putin has multiple times referenced Russia's nuclear armament.
Much like the boy who cried wolf, he has figured out that as long as you cry "nukes", the rest of the world tends to just idly by, for fear of him following through. It doesnt work. You let him go unchallenged and - just like with Hitler - he gets bolder and bolder. A clear red line needs to be drawn, and the west needs to be willing (or at least to give the impression that they are willing) to enforce those lines militarily.
Hear hear.Boris just said Aeroflot will be banned from UK.
Keir Stamier is calling for that in no uncertain words, strong words from Keir but I do wonder if cutting off the gas supply just now is a viable option.Whatever happens, there's no way back for him now. He has crossed the Rubicon and will never be accepted by the international community and will be regarded as the pariah that he is. No industrialized country will want to do business with Russia until he is removed.
How? No one wants a nuclear conflict over Ukraine. Talking tough is pretty limited when you have to do something for it to work. Russia wants whatever it wants in Ukraine far more than everyone else wants to end the world over it.Unfortunately there is going to have to come a time where someone calls Putin's bluff. Nobody wants war. And certainly nobody wants nuclear war, but unless you are prepared to accept the alternative of Russia (or any other nuclear power) simply doing whatever the feck they want without contestation, then there must come a point where you say "no".
Putin has threatened nuclear war on anyone who intervenes.
Putin has threatened that banning Russia from SWIFT will be seen as a declaration of war.
Putin has multiple times referenced Russia's nuclear armament.
Much like the boy who cried wolf, he has figured out that as long as you cry "nukes", the rest of the world tends to just idly by, for fear of him following through. It doesnt work. You let him go unchallenged and - just like with Hitler - he gets bolder and bolder. A clear red line needs to be drawn, and the west needs to be willing (or at least to give the impression that they are willing) to enforce those lines militarily.
May they keep on pushing. We need more of those for as long as it will take.Protests in St-Petersburg, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod... Go on lads!
That is so American. I don't even notice stuff like that anymore.Something seems very weird about them showing those pictures, then having an advert for beer and chicken half way through it.
Which could now give United the legal excuse to end the deal.Boris just said Aeroflot will be banned from UK.
He’s basically using any excuse possible to justify it all.de-Nazification.
I really didn't expect that level of lunacy.
Thanks for the updateBoris just said Aeroflot will be banned from UK.
Utter insanity. Every word.Unfortunately there is going to have to come a time where someone calls Putin's bluff. Nobody wants war. And certainly nobody wants nuclear war, but unless you are prepared to accept the alternative of Russia (or any other nuclear power) simply doing whatever the feck they want without contestation, then there must come a point where you say "no".
Putin has threatened nuclear war on anyone who intervenes.
Putin has threatened that banning Russia from SWIFT will be seen as a declaration of war.
Putin has multiple times referenced Russia's nuclear armament.
Much like the boy who cried wolf, he has figured out that as long as you cry "nukes", the rest of the world tends to just idly by, for fear of him following through. It doesnt work. You let him go unchallenged and - just like with Hitler - he gets bolder and bolder. A clear red line needs to be drawn, and the west needs to be willing (or at least to give the impression that they are willing) to enforce those lines militarily.
Where are seeing this? Verified or not?Protests in St-Petersburg, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod... Go on lads!
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Countries and companies kept purchasing oil from ISIS, Lafarge was effectively paying them to keep factories working. Russia's oil and gas will be purchased by the same countries, they will just hide it a little bit.I don't think the Chinese, Indians or anyone in Asia/Africa will have a problem. Also tbf, the EU are still buying his gas and oil.
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Nobody wants a nuclear conflict full stop. What makes you so sure that Putin is willing to start WW3 and drop nukes over the fate of Ukraine, any more than NATO/US?How? No one wants a nuclear conflict over Ukraine. Talking tough is pretty limited when you have to do something for it to work. Russia wants whatever it wants in Ukraine far more than everyone else wants to end the world over it.
To be fair the same was also suggested about Bin Salman when he butchered Khashoggi a couple of years ago, but gradually everybody has forgotten and all companies can't wait to do business with him. Granted, Bin Salman was always an ally of the West and Putin has always been seen as an enemy, but these things can't be really set in stone at this stage, especially with a country like Russia which the world would still need to solve a lot of other problems.Whatever happens, there's no way back for him now. He has crossed the Rubicon and will never be accepted by the international community and will be regarded as the pariah that he is. No industrialized country will want to do business with Russia until he is removed.
Feel free to elaborate.Utter insanity. Every word.
The only question now is whether or not there are enough people with a conscience within the Kremlin to do what is necessary to stop Putin's madness. When Brezhnev entered severe cognitive decline in the last few years of his life, there was at least an old guard to stop recklessness. As for now, it is very uncertain. Those career officials better start thinking about their future because they could well become targets for the masses if enough angry Russians are willing to tear everything associated with Putin's regime down to the ground.Putins fecked in the world stage, he needs to be whacked or humiliated enough to step down before he brings on a nuclear armgageddon
Over Ukraine, I don't want to find out.Nobody wants a nuclear conflict full stop. What makes you so sure that Putin is willing to start WW3 and drop nukes over the fate of Ukraine, any more than NATO/US?
Nor the PakistanisI don't think the Chinese, Indians or anyone in Asia/Africa will have a problem. Also tbf, the EU are still buying his gas and oil.
To be fair you're answering a different question to the one i asked. I wasn't asking why would anyone ever defend their nation.If there is one thing we have learned from recent military histary, people do not give up their countries easily. The longer it goes, the worse it is for Putin.
I'm surprised I have to answer these questions tbh.
Which unfortunately, is exactly what Putin is banking on.Over Ukraine, I don't want to find out.
Yep, and it's a very safe calculation. Obama basically said it in 2016. Ukraine matters far more to Russia than it does to the West when it comes to the prospect of war.Which unfortunately, is exactly what Putin is banking on.
Quite effective the javelin as well.Unconfirmed but it does seem Ukraine are quite effective in open battle.
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