True, hence the OP states that everything that follows is conjecture.
Ryan Giggs. Professional, Legend, Adulterer, Accomplice, Assassin, Usurper?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Exactly! This is my point. Why is Ryan Giggs even a candidate? It's stupid beyon belief. First David Moyes and now Ryan Giggs. Totally crazy. Please stop this madness.
I am not saying whether LVG does or does not entertains suggestions from Ryan. I don't have the first clue about it tbh. Also, I don't care even if he is trying to get the manager's post by being sly/evil/immoral. All I do know is I don't want him to be our manager before he has proven himself somewhere. This stance of mine would have been the same even if he was declared a living Saint by the Pope.
You clearly mentioned you didn't want Giggs to be the new manager and the reasons were that his moral compass was all over the place and since he was infidel and not sorry about it then he cannot be trusted to be our manager. I seriously don't see the relationship between the two. He was an excellent player for us while he was shacking up with his sister-in-law. My point is his personal life has feck all to do with his professional one. If we could look into the future and know that he would be as great as SAF, I would hire him as our manager in a heartbeat even if he has another affair.
Only because his personal life showed us what sort of character he could be when he is not flying down the wings with a ball at his feet. I mean, have you seen the Ronaldo thread, I think some posters hate Ronaldo because of the way he combs his hair. And once again, it has no relevance to whether he is will make a good manager or not. I do not prefer him as manager for total different reasons.
I only suggest that he may (the operative word here is "may", not "is") not be above resorting to underhanded tactics to bolster his position or further weaken LVG's position (and yes, LVG has weakened his owned position - no argument from me about that). Hence, at the last part I said the new manager may have a defence against such politicking, if it exists, by enjoying success quickly.
I guess if he had been sleeping with her for eight years and his nephew is less than 8 years old.....?
Just curious, if you had a good mate (since high school or something) that was cheating on his wife, will you sever your relationship with him totally?
He was having an affair while he was still an active player. Did you notice anything in his behaviour during that time to suggest that he was not the guy you thought he was? It is only after you came to know about his personal life that you have now assumed that Giggs is not right for us. The point is nothing he has done on the field really shows him in poor light as a player/human and your badgering of his professional abilities because of something you came to know about his personal life makes very little sense.
Just put me out of my misery. Anyone but LvG.
If, and it's a big if, Giggs gets the job and is successful that would make me a lot happier than Mourinho being successful. Simply because he is regarded as one of ours. Sentimental value. Heart over mind.
If, and it's a big if, Giggs gets the job and is successful that would make me a lot happier than Mourinho being successful. Simply because he is regarded as one of ours. Sentimental value. Heart over mind.
Agree with this. I'd rather we find out quickly if Giggs' can be a successful manager or not, than to have him hanging around.
Me too
People saying Giggs is undermining LvG is all guesswork.
It's a thread dedicated entirely to making football decisions on Eastenders logic. Reasonable, fact based debate such as yours, is not high on the list of priorities in here.
There again - actions speak louder than words.
It would be difficult, wouldn't it? Considering they were a large part of their history and one of their good mates is there as assistant manager. The press is bound to ask them for opinions.
I guess if Neville can manage Valencia, why not Giggs at United? Not that I agree it is a good reason, but it if it works it is a great story.
Not at all. But let's not also forget that Fergie was probably a bigger figure to fear and more wily than most at the club. If Giggs was a still a player and the news of his affair came out, he'd still be one of the first names in the squad for me. Unless he starts banging his teammate's wife, following which I would be concerned about the team spirit in the dressing room.
It makes little sense because it really makes little sense. How do you not understand? I have said again and again, I don't know if he will be a good manager. And I don't think his adultery has relevance to his COMPETENCE as a Manager. I do not conclude that because of his compromised personal values, he is therefore compromised in his professional abilities as a manager. Am I clear enough?
Indeed. All guesswork and conjecture, which was stated right at the start of the OP.
As Sultan said, it's all guesswork and conjecture. As the writer of OP, I totally agree.
But office politics and dynamics of authorities and power plays have had much research and literature written about them, so I don't see what's too far-fetched about claiming that it is possible (remember, possible doesn't mean highly probable) that there are politics at play here.
It's just The Office gag. Pretty funny there.
Doh! I get it now. That is funny. I'm shamed.
Again, you say you don't know about his competence as a manager yet you advocated removing him based on his immorality as a husband and a brother. From there you deduce that he could actually be a cause for LVG's failure and thus he should be shown the door. How can you then come around and say that you did not judge his professional ability based on his compromised personal values when you have repeatedly pointed out that a man who can bang his brother's wife with little remorse can stoop to any level?
Worked in the Office, considering the characters there, but definitely not with LVG and Giggs.
Then discuss office politics and power plays all you like. You have nothing but spoof and conjecture to prove anything but if you want to suggest it as a hypothetical then go ahead.
Just leave the sex lives and fidelity gossip out of the football forums. It's soap opera nonsense and has no relevance to a persons ability to manage people or an organisation. The most successful POTUS of the last 30 years was unfaithful to his wife while in office. There are countless examples of shitty husbands and family members who were incredibly successful at their jobs.
You can go discuss how awful a husband and brother Giggs is on the General Forum. Just stop trying to dress up your gossip and drivel as something more substantial on the football forum.
Haven't we learnt from moyes?
He looks midtatable, manages midtable, plays like a midtable team, smug, and people here are buying the imaginary cut from fergies cloth, staying for 20 years. Haven't we learnt that football is simple? If he's good he's good. Porto, barcelona b, mainz, atletico can't hide the fact that they're good. The works they've shown, but we rather believe in imaginary attributes rather than proven one.
Look at neville valencia, people here claims he knowledgeable, loves the club, captain of united past, he's the same pedigree as giggs (just a few years behind giggs in longevity). Do you guys see anything special in valencia play? (it's early, but we'll be seeing something in a few months)
If neville is not a guaranteed success why makes you think giggs is a guaranteed success with us? Forget guarantee, the chance of giggs being another saf is 5 percent at best ( all of his understudy that went to managerial job and no one have shown anything like him. The sample is too many to mention)
He looks midtatable, manages midtable, plays like a midtable team, smug, and people here are buying the imaginary cut from fergies cloth, staying for 20 years. Haven't we learnt that football is simple? If he's good he's good. Porto, barcelona b, mainz, atletico can't hide the fact that they're good. The works they've shown, but we rather believe in imaginary attributes rather than proven one.
Look at neville valencia, people here claims he knowledgeable, loves the club, captain of united past, he's the same pedigree as giggs (just a few years behind giggs in longevity). Do you guys see anything special in valencia play? (it's early, but we'll be seeing something in a few months)
If neville is not a guaranteed success why makes you think giggs is a guaranteed success with us? Forget guarantee, the chance of giggs being another saf is 5 percent at best ( all of his understudy that went to managerial job and no one have shown anything like him. The sample is too many to mention)
No. Just, no.
I wouldn't be content with Giggs even in a 6 month caretaker capacity. This season isn't even a right off yet, we still have a good chance of getting in the top four and who knows what beyond that. Not qualifying for the CL for 2 out of 3 seasons would be a catastrophe for a club of our stature, but we'd deserve everything coming to us if we take a punt on someone that hasn't proved anything at this level.
Giggs has never been a player I thought would make a good manager. His demeanor on the pitch or all the times I've listened to him speak off it he has never struck me as a great manager in the making. Even now when things are going badly I don't see him coming out and speaking to the press, more like he's hiding from it (and it's not an excuse that he's just the assistant manager, if he's the next manager in waiting he needs to do things like this). I just don't see what it is about his personality that people think will equate to a great manager. It just seems like our longest serving player ever had come to the end of his career so we wanted to keep him around and hoped Van Gaal would bring back success and Giggs would maintain the continuity and could carry it on. That hasn't happened.
But how do you know he was sleeping with her 'while she was pregnant'? Do we know for sure it was weekly? It might have been a couple of times over the 8 years when her and Rhodri had broken up? I'm not trying to defend him, mearly trying to understand how people know for sure these little details?
The reason I'm questioning it is the ones who know him best at the club, Fergie etc continued to praise him after the news broke. Can't imagine Sir Alex being ok with Giggs if whats been said in here was 100% true.
As for your question, no I don't think so but it would depend on the details. You?
There won't be another SAF.
If we are going to sack a hugely experienced manager in LVG we will need to appoint a new one. I think most would agree it comes down to one of three choices. Pep (who appears to be going to City), Jose (who is hugely divisive) and Giggs (who is hugely inexperienced).
If it transpires that, for whatever reason, the board goes with Giggs it will be about time. We can all finally see what the supposedly has in his locker that the likes of SAF have been talking about. It it works great. If it doesn't it doesn't. Personally I'll be glad either way as I am sick of the constant sniping about Giggs on here.
Once again the claim that Giggs is not ABLE enough to do the job. I have said in many posts that I don't know if he is a good manager or not and I know plenty of dickheads who are great at their jobs so you don't have to convince me of that.
Plus I think you are the one taking it seriously. I said it was conjecture and I suggested early to stop reading.
If you are unhappy about this, feel free to get a mod to move this to the General. No objection with that.
Why would they be related?Naturally the OP will not sit right with United fans but I agree with a lot of it.
I think its only right that the selfish and underhanded nature of his affair has people questioning his motives in his professional life. I'm not sure why people have a problem with that.
Are you Giggs' missus?
Since 1993 when names on the backs of shirts were introduced, we have seen our number 11 shirt sporting the name GIGGS.
Now all of a sudden an appostophy appears out of the blue
He might be capable of doing the job, but I would much rather he had the courage to go to another club and prove his credentials. Not use us to practice on.
Strange it's only now it's being questioned. You've had how many years to question it?
I don't think Giggs is capable of being a United manager until he proves his worth elsewhere, preferably at a lower league club. He has to prove that he can man manage which is probably the hardest part of managing such a massive club. Giggs doesn't seem anywhere near as vocally dominant as Fergie or even Van Gaal
However I don't think managers are an easy game to gamble on. Pep Guardiola for instance didn't do much career building before he got Barca winning everything and beating everyone. Other managers have done the same without proving themselves in the lower leagues. Also I don't believe a players style and character on the pitch reflects how well they will manage should they go into management.
However I don't think managers are an easy game to gamble on. Pep Guardiola for instance didn't do much career building before he got Barca winning everything and beating everyone. Other managers have done the same without proving themselves in the lower leagues. Also I don't believe a players style and character on the pitch reflects how well they will manage should they go into management.
Careful. According to some posters I am terribly wrong for mixing the values his personal life exhibits and his capacity as assistant manager, I wonder if they will take umbrage at you mixing his demeanour as a player and as a manager. They are different contexts.
I think people have, they had doubts about his role during Moyes reign as well. The main point though is this a too big a club to go from a every experienced manager to a rookie. That is why he should have gained experience somewhere else instead of thinking he has an entitlement to the job, which has likely foolishly been intimated to him by the board.
I wasn't the one that posted he was banging her while she was pregnant; it was new info to me. I was just attempting to answer your specific question. Maybe he had a nine-month abstinence from her, who knows?
As for the question, it really depends. I have a really good mate, whom I later found had been cheating on his wife for a few years. We still talk and play footie together.
Another incident was a client of mine. This old businessman dude had a daughter married to one of his managers. But he'd be regularly bring the Son-in-law out on business trips complete with sexual romps. That seemed really fecked up to me and I switched accounts.
Giggs has no place in discussion for United's next manager. He shouldn't be in contention at all. We're in pretty good position to get top 4 place as it is now but if we experiment in bringing inexperienced manager who most likely will fail this season and also give us no CL next season is a ludicrous idea which the board shouldn't even entertain. Especially when manager like Mourinho is available for the job.
For what is worth if it means Giggs or a similar stature of a manager is going to take over even as a caretaker, I'd rather we keep LvG.
Relax man, I was merely pointing out that Giggs was part of the coaching staff and if he did infact rally against Moyes behind the scenes as its widely believed then it makes no difference whether he was an assistant or not, its the same thing.
I want my five minutes back, OP.
Can you create a thread? I promise i will read it.
I honestly believe the sooner the club cut ties with the Class of 92, especially Giggs, the better.