SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Tokyo on average has 8000 tests done daily. There are theories as to why its so low. This results in less positive tests.

Having said that Tokyo hit 800 positives yesterday a big jump in just a month and it seems nationally there are around 50 daily deaths. (not 100% on that)

Things are developing here but nowhere near like Europe.
Some proportion of city dwellers in Japan lead very different solitary lives to perhaps Western countries. I appreciate that's a generalisation and with no idea what proportion but historically I read that the Japanese live law abiding, socially responsible lives. That Abe may be a bit of a figure of ridicule now but is it the case that the Japanese have more of a sense of protecting the whole?
 
@Carolina Red, are most people just ignoring it all, then? I assume everything is still open and people are just doing what they'd always do? Pickens County :eek:
I worked in Pickens County for a couple of years over a decade ago. One definitely takes a couple of steps back in everything when you arrive there. You are not talking about the most educated populace in the state, toss in a very intense religious hold over the state (a bit more on the virulent evangelical side the further north you head in it), & you have an environment ripe for disinformation, apathy, & not employing common sense, aided by the state government. The southeast US as a whole smacks of this, but it gets especially poignant in SC.

It certainly is a mess & will only get worse in the days & weeks to come.
 
Some proportion of city dwellers in Japan lead very different solitary lives to perhaps Western countries. I appreciate that's a generalisation and with no idea what proportion but historically I read that the Japanese live law abiding, socially responsible lives. That Abe may be a bit of a figure of ridicule now but is it the case that the Japanese have more of a sense of protecting the whole?
Abe resigned due to ill health, Suga is the new PM and getting all the flack.

an anology I use is that Japan is a country where the elderly dictate norms, its got the warmth of a loving grandma, but her idea of fun is charades.

Having said that Tokyo has its own proportion of youth, they like to have fun as much as any countries youth do.

People say that testing is low, hiding the truth for the olympics. But its not easy to hide deaths.
 
I worked in Pickens County for a couple of years over a decade ago. One definitely takes a couple of steps back in everything when you arrive there. You are not talking about the most educated populace in the state, toss in a very intense religious hold over the state (a bit more on the virulent evangelical side the further north you head in it), & you have an environment ripe for disinformation, apathy, & not employing common sense, aided by the state government. The southeast US as a whole smacks of this, but it gets especially poignant in SC.

It certainly is a mess & will only get worse in the days & weeks to come.
Your description is kind of how I imagined it. It's such a shame that people don't realise how much danger they're putting themselves in. I would suspect that most people in Pickens County have no idea that they are in such a dire situation with infections.
 
Your description is kind of how I imagined it. It's such a shame that people don't realise how much danger they're putting themselves in. I would suspect that most people in Pickens County have no idea that they are in such a dire situation with infections.
I disagree. There’s absolutely no chance that those residents don’t know how dangerous it is. The current admin is still mostly mute over all regarding the situation, but it’s not as though every news media outlet isn’t covering this current situation. Even the right wing media outlets on radio typically are on a larger platform that has national news breaks that will be informing of the current level of the crisis. So, the residents aren’t completely bereft of vital information. And we will see the new admin raise the crisis news decibel level up by a couple of hundred when they take office.

It’s this willful, aggressive ignorance, coupled with selfishness & the clinging to idiotic rituals, that will be the ultimate culprit in the SE regarding this current spike. The healthcare system in upstate SC just isn’t capable of handling what most likely will be coming their way (& already has).
 
@Carolina Red, are most people just ignoring it all, then? I assume everything is still open and people are just doing what they'd always do? Pickens County :eek:
Yes they are. Go into a grocery store or a gas station and 1 out of every 10-15 people is wearing a mask, despite signs on every single door telling them to. Businesses aren’t even trying to enforce it anymore. Nobody is being asked to exit the building.

The same day that the highest case totals ever were announced in the county I work in, the county’s school district announced the increased school attendance plan we’d be on after break. But no worries! “The virus isn’t spreading inside the schools” and plexiglass divider are gonna keep us all safe.

Over 2200 students will be in my building at one time by the end of January.
Fecking hell. That's insane, I'm so sorry.
It is indeed. I am repeatedly dumbfounded by the people in this state.
 
I worked in Pickens County for a couple of years over a decade ago. One definitely takes a couple of steps back in everything when you arrive there. You are not talking about the most educated populace in the state, toss in a very intense religious hold over the state (a bit more on the virulent evangelical side the further north you head in it), & you have an environment ripe for disinformation, apathy, & not employing common sense, aided by the state government. The southeast US as a whole smacks of this, but it gets especially poignant in SC.

It certainly is a mess & will only get worse in the days & weeks to come.
Funny thing was that they tried to blame their higher than everyone else numbers on Clemson. Then they skyrocketed even though Clemson has been out of school for about a month now.
 
Funny thing was that they tried to blame their higher than everyone else numbers on Clemson. Then they skyrocketed even though Clemson has been out of school for about a month now.
Sounds about right.

It never ceases to amaze me how you emerged seemingly sane from the ignorance so prevalent in that neck of the woods.
 
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies. How on earth is that possible?
 
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies, how on earth is that possible?
Because they don’t last. It’s the T Cell memory that does and they can’t test for that with the antibody test.

At least that’s my understanding of it!

Edit - doesn’t explain how she didn’t get it in the first instance though I guess!
 
Because they don’t last. It’s the T Cell memory that does and they can’t test for that with the antibody test.

At least that’s my understanding of it!

Edit - doesn’t explain how she didn’t get it in the first instance though I guess!
Both my wife and me had the symptoms, I was ill 2-3 months ago and stayed at home for 14 days, and she had the symptoms 15ish days ago, and isolated and all, while living with me, sharing the table, bed, bathroom, and all the usual stuff, we haven't isolated from each other.

We were pretty sure it was Covid in both cases, so we did the antibodies testing today, and guess what? My wife has antibodies and is negative at the moment, and I don't have antibodies. How on earth is that possible?

There are many examples of someone who has it not spreading it to the rest of the family.
Its a strange virus (i think, i dont know if most viruses works this way or not) but it seems that its few people spreading it to many.
 
Because they don’t last. It’s the T Cell memory that does and they can’t test for that with the antibody test.

At least that’s my understanding of it!

Edit - doesn’t explain how she didn’t get it in the first instance though I guess!

Yeah, that's the thing I don't get either. And then I should be reinfected again considering that my antibodies dried off and she was probably infected 15 days ago. I doubt I had antbodies 15 days ago that I don't have today.
 
So when do you guys think that the first lockdown of 2021 will be?

I am guessing January 15/20ish?
 
Just heard from a mate in Brighton , he`s got 14 people coming round Christmas day then off to a party in Lewes on Boxing day . Madness , he thinks it is all a scam . I haven`t replied as I have no words.
 
Just heard from a mate in Brighton , he`s got 14 people coming round Christmas day then off to a party in Lewes on Boxing day . Madness , he thinks it is all a scam . I haven`t replied as I have no words.
And he will get up to a madness on new years day too.
 
He's still a mate?
He is a 55 year old man that I have been mates with since we were teenagers. We have always got on , don`t see a lot of each other nowadays but have polar opinions about covid. I am not going to fall out with him but I have given up trying to discuss with people that think like him, there are a lot of them too.
 
He is a 55 year old man that I have been mates with since we were teenagers. We have always got on , don`t see a lot of each other nowadays but have polar opinions about covid. I am not going to fall out with him but I have given up trying to discuss with people that think like him, there are a lot of them too.

I was being facetious, but yes I've got a couple of friends who are like that. Difficult to watch but I just leave them to it and avoid any conversations where they start getting on their soap box. They're thankfully not at the level of the 5G/Bill Gates discussions.
 
He is a 55 year old man that I have been mates with since we were teenagers. We have always got on , don`t see a lot of each other nowadays but have polar opinions about covid. I am not going to fall out with him but I have given up trying to discuss with people that think like him, there are a lot of them too.
I wouldn’t be able to bite my tongue like you.

anonymous tip-off?
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?
Right wing Facebook pages help that shit, they also claim there is no flu this year or can’t comprehend why the flu is not as bad as recent years.
 
I have just seen evidence that suicides have not gone up at all during lockdown. They actually decreased in two countries.

How do lies spread so quickly nowadays?

Durkheim wrote a book on this and noticed some startling things. For instance suicides decreased during times of war. I think as well he said suicides were higher during the summer months than winter months.
 
Just heard from a mate in Brighton , he`s got 14 people coming round Christmas day then off to a party in Lewes on Boxing day . Madness , he thinks it is all a scam . I haven`t replied as I have no words.

Gosh that must be hard to listen to without exploding.
 
Mom will be getting the first Pfizer jab in two weeks when we get the first bunch of vaccines on 26th ss they’re prioritising key healthcare workers. Absolutely delighted as she has a history of asthma and hypertension.
 
Reports that Boris Johnson called an emergency meeting, to talk about the new strain, and to discuss more restrictions
 
Reports that Boris Johnson called an emergency meeting, to talk about the new strain, and to discuss more restrictions
It needs to happen , with hospital beds filling up rapidly it feels like we are just sleepwalking towards a disaster in all the four nations , whatever each nation has tried hasn`t worked and it just feels like we are coming to a critical point a lot of people seem hell bent on letting go for the week .