Stanley Road
Renaissance Man
Since all non essential shops were closed on monday it's going really well
The booze shop and flower shop near me are open, people dont care
The booze shop and flower shop near me are open, people dont care
I've literally quoted from the article you've linked to.That isn't what they've said. Saying they need genetic testing to confirm their initial findings is not the same as saying they don't have any findings. Their findings suggest - which is what I said, not confirm - schools don't play a big role in transmission.
People have shown themselves to be incapable of self policing as we are just too selfish as a species. Police presence on the roads and stronger messaging on TV/Radio would go a long way.How do you both suggest it's enforced differently?
Simply has to be led by self policing and discipline.
What are the police supposed to be enforcing on the road though?People have shown themselves to be incapable of self policing as we are just too selfish as a species. Police presence on the roads and stronger messaging on TV/Radio would go a long way.
You introduce it as more evidence suggesting that school transmission isn’t a big issue. It says PHE suggests it may be coming from outside schools but then clearly says they don’t have any evidence that’s the case and need genetic studies to know more. It doesn’t even tell us why PHE data suggests that. It isn’t evidence of anything other than secondary school kids are testing at a higher rate than anybody else. What are they doing that nobody else is doing?It is not my claim but their interpretation. There are more cases among that age group but the evidence suggests it is coming from outside schools as much, if not more than, from within schools. The fact that teenagers are infected a little more often might have more to do with how they live their lives outside the classrooms than within it, and they haven't found evidence suggesting classrooms accelerate it, which is why they don't think school closures would have a significant long-term effect on the spread.
I would say they're a bit more than non-commital on it. They say the data so far suggests that it is being introduced from different sources, but they don't have the genetic evidence to confirm that, and the data from PHE on contact tracing is very patchy. They definitely lean one way. Although it's fair to question whether that leaning is influenced more by bias than the noisy signals they're getting from the data.
But that’s working on the assumption that all teenagers are running around meeting all their mates.That isn't what they've said. Saying they need genetic testing to confirm their initial findings is not the same as saying they don't have any findings. Their findings suggest - which is what I said, not confirm - schools don't play a big role in transmission.
Which leads them to say closing schools would only have a temporary effect on cases; in other words, these kids would pick it up from somewhere else, as already do, or the behaviour displacement would lead to more cases elsewhere or later. If schools did play a big role in transmission, above and beyond normal routes of transmission, then closing them would have a long-term effect. Their analysis suggests it wouldn't.
And also ignores the fact that even if they aren’t all picking it up in schools that we are still sending them to a building every day where they are mixing with more people. Whether they are or aren’t a bigger route of transmission than other areas isn’t relevant when it’s the only one we haven’t tried restricting.But that’s working on the assumption that all teenagers are running around meeting all their mates.
whereas we know for fact that they are in an indoor school environment, mixing with kids from other households, in badly ventilated buildings.
You could put curfews in place, ban travel over the Xmas period unless you can prove its for work, stop and searches on trains motorways...
Not saying it should be done, but if the government wanted to it would be fairly doable!
I hear you but it's not realistic or practical to put that on the already stretched police service.People have shown themselves to be incapable of self policing as we are just too selfish as a species. Police presence on the roads and stronger messaging on TV/Radio would go a long way.
Maybe you've misread the statement. It has been a challenge to "find out more" about the role of schools in the spread of the virus. In spite of those challenges, they've seen enough to make the statement I've quoted. Which for some reason you've just pretended doesn't exist, twice. Fun times.I've literally quoted from the article you've linked to.
Yeah we have limited evidence on where else it comes from, and have to rely on hypotheses. What science is best at is testing and rejecting hypotheses, rather than proving theories. The hypothesis has been put forward many times that schools are obviously the place where it's spreading like mad, and the evidence has consistently ruled that out.But that’s working on the assumption that all teenagers are running around meeting all their mates.
whereas we know for fact that they are in an indoor school environment, mixing with kids from other households, in badly ventilated buildings.
Have you asked your GP about heparin injections? You self-adminster them in your stomach. I had (bad) phlebitis in the summer in numerous leg veins and the GP (in Italy) prescribed those straight away. I had a three-week course and have been taking aspirin ever since.Wales is no better than England , my grandson had to wait 2 weeks for a scan as the whole department were isolating because of covid , I have been waiting for over 6 months for an appointment with vascular dept for a clot in my leg , just been put on aspirin and told to wait even though my leg seizes up when walking up hills , meanwhile people are ignoring all regulations and just doing what they want . My neighbours family travel here from Preston every feckin weekend and did so during England last lockdown cos they could go out in Wales. I also look after in laws in their 80s who haven`t been out since March so got used to it now, just keep ourselves to ourselves .
Random stop checks. See what people are up to. It’s the presence of authority that’s needed in these situations not necessarily action.What are the police supposed to be enforcing on the road though?
There is zero evidence of that provided in your link.and the evidence has consistently ruled that out.
The bolded part you refer to is interpretation by the BBC, the latter around genetic analysis is a quote from Dr Ladhani. Which is why I didn't go too far into it. The data though excluded tests on year 11 and 13, which Dr Ladhani has said are the two year groups with the highest infection rates. Fun times.Maybe you've misread the statement. It has been a challenge to "find out more" about the role of schools in the spread of the virus. In spite of those challenges, they've seen enough to make the statement I've quoted. Which for some reason you've just pretended doesn't exist, twice. Fun times.
On the graph breakdown today, Wales have added 11k, it's normally around 2-3k.35000 in the UK today. Has anyone seen whether there’s an explanation for the massive jump?
Yep, last 4 days have been 500-600 cases.Could be those missing cases added in Wales
Significant case increases in London, East & South East:
I haven`t Penna . I am at the beginning of the process really , I was really ill last February with what may have been covid , my wife was hospitalised for a week with breathing difficulties after we both caught what we thought at the time was flu off my son who was sharing digs with some chinese that had been home for Christmas . He is 21 and never ill and it really walloped him too. Ever since I have struggled with walking up hills , my right leg is screaming for oxygen so my GP sent me for a doppler test and it showed my right leg had 25% less blood pressure to my other three limbs . I have been referred to vascular but cos of covid no joy so far .Have you asked your GP about heparin injections? You self-adminster them in your stomach. I had (bad) phlebitis in the summer in numerous leg veins and the GP (in Italy) prescribed those straight away. I had a three-week course and have been taking aspirin ever since.
Christmas shopping & socialising35000 in the UK today. Has anyone seen whether there’s an explanation for the massive jump?
I'm not sure why you keep doing this. I presented some new data, with the associated analysis, and my own viewpoint. I didn't do it to snipe at anyone. I agree with you that schools play a role in transmission. I agree with you that the government should consider closing secondary schools.There is zero evidence of that provided in your link.
Jesus. That sounds horrendousI haven`t Penna . I am at the beginning of the process really , I was really ill last February with what may have been covid , my wife was hospitalised for a week with breathing difficulties after we both caught what we thought at the time was flu off my son who was sharing digs with some chinese that had been home for Christmas . He is 21 and never ill and it really walloped him too. Ever since I have struggled with walking up hills , my right leg is screaming for oxygen so my GP sent me for a doppler test and it showed my right leg had 25% less blood pressure to my other three limbs . I have been referred to vascular but cos of covid no joy so far .
Well, we have forms to fill in if we have to travel outside the local area for work or emergency. You have to carry the form with you and have ID. You might get stopped or you might not, but if you're stopped and you're travelling when you shouldn't be, you'll get fined.What are the police supposed to be enforcing on the road though?
Black FridayChristmas shopping & socialising
Yes there has been some kind of IT issue producing today's numbers that had been left off previously so they warned everyone what was coming.On the graph breakdown today, Wales have added 11k, it's normally around 2-3k.
Could be those missing cases added in Wales
Because you aren’t interested in discussion, merely presenting a flawed defence of your initial position and telling anyone who says otherwise they are wrong. It’s an emotive subject.I'm not sure why you keep doing this. I presented some new data, with the associated analysis, and my own viewpoint. I didn't do it to snipe at anyone. I agree with you that schools play a role in transmission. I agree with you that the government should consider closing secondary schools.
Why do you need to go on the attack every time someone suggests there's some nuances worth discussing on the subject, with some new data? I'm not attacking your view. You're welcome to it. I agree there is ambiguity. Data removes some of that but not much. There's plenty of room for discussion. And you said yourself you have no desire to get drawn into some weird argument about it. Yet you follow up on the next post, and the next post, and the next. I'll pass on that.
I bet in the US it had an effectBlack Friday
Feels more like a vanity exercise than anything else. A waste of police resources.Random stop checks. See what people are up to. It’s the presence of authority that’s needed in these situations not necessarily action.
Not really, we had police check points and police on the roads during our lockdown back in March. They operated with an education first approach and only fined multiple repeat offenders. It worked well, it wasnt onerous and the general public didnt react badly to it. Also we had less crime during our lockdown in general so ploce resources were doing more community based work. Also it gave the general public who were trying to do there bit by following the rules more confidence that the less responsible werent just doing whatever they wanted. Not a waste of Police resources at all, in fact the opposite.Feels more like a vanity exercise than anything else. A waste of police resources.
Works fine in other countries, it just wouldn't work with the limited police resources we have here.Not really, we had police check points and police on the roads during our lockdown back in March. They operated with an education first approach and only fined multiple repeat offenders. It worked well, it wasnt onerous and the general public didnt react badly to it. Also we had less crime during our lockdown in general so ploce resources were doing more community based work. Also it gave the general public who were trying to do there bit by following the rules more confidence that the less responsible werent just doing whatever they wanted. Not a waste of Police resources at all, in fact the opposite.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-coronavirus-us-pandemic-spread-b1762813.htmlI bet in the US it had an effect
Where are you?Works fine in other countries, it just wouldn't work with the limited police resources we have here.
Hubris, selfishness, clinging to rituals, & a bit of a lack of common sense is probably a good start.35000 in the UK today. Has anyone seen whether there’s an explanation for the massive jump?
Thanksgiving in all its aspects is now starting to be felt. Apparently airline travel was only down ten percent versus last year.I bet in the US it had an effect
Unfortunately, in many places around this country, malls, discount malls, etc. were left open while smaller business were closed.
UK.Where are you?
Bollocks,
Fake news. Still too many, mind.Thanksgiving in all its aspects is now starting to be felt. Apparently airline travel was only down ten percent versus last year.
This was just unconscionable.