Agreed. Makes no odds to me anymore. Im doing what i want. Ill still wear a mask and all that jazz. But i will be visiting family without a second thought from now on. Tamesides rate of infection is one of the lowest in GM. Absolutley no reason for me to be a prisoner in my own home anymore.
Normal stuff. Test and trace, closing borders (arg and bra are among worst neighbours to have), not accepting failure. Although seems like their cases are rising fast this month, hadn't checked for a while. But still only about 100 death with population of 3.5m.
No, it’s not that. I’m not praising the response.
Well, we spent a month back in the UK in September. It was as if the pandemic had never happened, which made me quite fearful. I feel much safer here and I have more confidence in the Italian government than I do in Johnson and his pals.
Actually quite surprised that Boris hasn’t used Manchester as a political pawn again.
I seem to remember reading something along the lines of Japan doing better in spite of the Government and am I correct that Japan have only tested in clusters?
That's quite wrong.
Quite right Penna.
Not major in depth but decent article on them here, especially shows how well they've done compared to their neighbours.
This is why it's still in Tier 3, from a Tameside MP as well - https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...anchesters-hospitals-struggling-keep-19455621
Quick question, no idea on stats but do you have a feeling that the devolved govts in the UK are doing a better job than England?
Without question.
There may be a better community spirit in N Ireland, Wales and Scotland but they don’t seem to be doing any better than England. Northern Ireland has been a fecking disaster and is seriously in the shit right now. And you only imagine the crap Boris et al would be getting if this happened in England.
Yes. But it is harder to differentiate between governments actions and that of the people. So I rather look at it as society as a whole.
You're right that there was a change after about a month, and I don't care how simplistic it sounds but the biggest reason for that was the Cummings incident. Even now I hear it mentioned quite often. It immediately became one rule for us and one rule for them, the privileged. It could have been so different had Johnson sacked him and the police fined him a few quid.
Yeah, very useful.
It depends who you ask.
How do you both suggest it's enforced differently?
You could put curfews in place, ban travel over the Xmas period unless you can prove its for work, stop and searches on trains motorways...
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I'm not quite sure how you've come to this as a solid conclusion. Given that it's been deemed too risky to move GM down to Tier 2, I don't think thats a signal to engage in more activities that could potential lead to further spreading. The whole point of the tier system isn't to control what you do, it's to limit the potential spread routes of the virus (arguments of whether they're cutting the correct routes could be had). I understand it's frustrating. Particularly to those who work in hospitality or are reliant on the industry. As an individual you can make your own decisions, but I would plead with you to stick by the rules and guidance as much as you can do. The best way to get out of this is by a collective approach. The virus spreads via contact. It's not in any way possible to ban all contact so we've had to make difficult decisions on what is and isn't appropriate. Yes it's infuriating to see some blatent disregard for rules. Yes it's upsetting that we can't see friends and family. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't care how we feel. You are free to make your own decisions, but please try to do as much as you possibly can to limit the spread of the virus.
The approach we have taken in Northern Ireland has both crippled hospitality and failed to control the spread. Allowing close contact services to open for a week was a farce.
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Ill see your Tier 2 and raise you, We are in 1. Although given that we have wales one side, and a sea of tier 2 on the other 3 sides not sure how long that will last?
Of course he does
That must be incredibly frustrating for you. I hope that you can get your appointment soon
I don’t really want to get back into the long back and forths about this again but I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion when it explicitly says the rate is higher in secondary schools than it is in the general population.
Couldn't this also be taken as an argument that rates in schools and in the wider community are intrinsically linked given the similarity? The conclusions appear to be that there is transmission in an educational setting, but it largely mirrors the transmission in the community at the same time, whilst being non-committal on whether schools or the general community is driving that.
It is not my claim but their interpretation. There are more cases among that age group but the evidence suggests it is coming from outside schools as much, if not more than, from within schools. The fact that teenagers are infected a little more often might have more to do with how they live their lives outside the classrooms than within it, and they haven't found evidence suggesting classrooms accelerate it, which is why they don't think school closures would have a significant long-term effect on the spread.
I would say they're a bit more than non-commital on it. They say the data so far suggests that it is being introduced from different sources, but they don't have the genetic evidence to confirm that, and the data from PHE on contact tracing is very patchy. They definitely lean one way. Although it's fair to question whether that leaning is influenced more by bias than the noisy signals they're getting from the data.
It is frustrating but you have to just go with it , our hospital in North Wales has very limited services and the only way to get my grandson sorted was through the specialist that he is under in Alder Hey , he ended up getting involved and he has since had his EEG scan and been prescribed medicine but North Wales hospitals take very little to be over run . It is annoying watching everyone taking no notice of the rules because covid won`t do them any harm , it is just selfish and they genuinely don`t care about spreading as they don`t know anyone it affects. Have to just get on with it in the end cos you can`t start arguing with everyone.That must be incredibly frustrating for you. I hope that you can get your appointment soon
Yeah I wondering if that had been the case. It's such a small increase that its laughable to called it a bonus.
It isn't an increase as such, just that she receives £10 every Christmas. A one off payment.
That's not what it suggests though. It says that schools reflect virus levels in the local community, and that they've found it a challenge to find out the role of schools in the spread of the virus.
I could be wrong as it's been a long since I've gone home but I'm pretty sure the one off christmas bonus in Ireland is 100% of your normal weekly long-term benefit payment. The welfare system in England is has been totally destroyed.
That isn't what they've said. Saying they need genetic testing to confirm their initial findings is not the same as saying they don't have any findings. Their findings suggest - which is what I said, not confirm - schools don't play a big role in transmission.
Which leads them to say closing schools would only have a temporary effect on cases; in other words, these kids would pick it up from somewhere else, as already do, or the behaviour displacement would lead to more cases elsewhere or later. If schools did play a big role in transmission, above and beyond normal routes of transmission, then closing them would have a long-term effect. Their analysis suggests it wouldn't.
