I believe they gave anal swab tests for members of parliament to try, but half of them said they couldn't find it.China begins using anal swab test
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gins-using-anal-swabs-test-Covid-Beijing.html
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Spot on. The minute the daft old fecker says no Im wont when the Dr tells him he will die in 30 minutes if he leaves, say righto, sign this release paper and feck off then.
My thoughts too. Thick bastards. I wonder what happened?
That would be sweet but the Dr could get struck off if he did that. For someone to sign themselves out you need to be sure they’re mentally competent to make that decision. A lawyer would be able to argue that the old man was delerious from his illness and not thinking straight. Getting family members to take full legal responsibility for a delirious relative is another kettle of fish on top of that.
He handled the situation superbly. Can you imagine how badly he wanted to spark out the little shit, with all the stress he’s gone through because of twats like that?
Absolutley, i was speaking from more of a "if the world had any actual justice" point of view. That dr has the patience of a saint, as if the medical professionals aren't already going through hell having to deal with spunk brained halfwits like that just isn't fair.
Terrible figures yet again today, next few weeks are going to be harrowing. My mate has now lost 4 family members in little over a week. His aunt was discharged from hospital on Friday, re admitted on Sunday, died 6 am this morning, with her son and daughter allowed with her, but dressed in what he described as haz mat suits.
So very sad and so close to safety within the vaccine roll out.
My eldest had the jab little over a week ago, bro and mum over the last few days, and my gf last night.
I drove her to the vaccine centre in York and its awe inspiring and a little unnerving to see. Never thought this would happen in my lifetime.
It seems like a similar thing will play out in every developed over the next few months. Hopefully the poorer countries will get plenty of help too. It really could restore faith in humanity if all countries pull together with the vaccine program
So very sad and so close to safety within the vaccine roll out.
My eldest had the jab little over a week ago, bro and mum over the last few days, and my gf last night.
I drove her to the vaccine centre in York and its awe inspiring and a little unnerving to see. Never thought this would happen in my lifetime.
It seems like a similar thing will play out in every developed over the next few months. Hopefully the poorer countries will get plenty of help too. It really could restore faith in humanity if all countries pull together with the vaccine program
I was going to link that video earlier, the longer version is about 20 minutes or so. Was on reddit about a week ago but it showed the patient's face.
Definitely agree though regarding delirium and lacking capacity to self-discharge. We do let people self-discharge against medical advice but only after a decision-specific capacity assessment is done. And capacity is usually assumed too. But not in the above context of hypoxic, vulnerable, frail patient.
There were medics who were a bit uneasy about letting people watch that from a patient confidentiality POV but I think it needs highlighting, the kind of shit that paramedics, medics and allied health professionals have to put up with is really insane. In high pressure litigious environments too.
Definitely agree though regarding delirium and lacking capacity to self-discharge. We do let people self-discharge against medical advice but only after a decision-specific capacity assessment is done. And capacity is usually assumed too. But not in the above context of hypoxic, vulnerable, frail patient.
There were medics who were a bit uneasy about letting people watch that from a patient confidentiality POV but I think it needs highlighting, the kind of shit that paramedics, medics and allied health professionals have to put up with is really insane. In high pressure litigious environments too.
@Wolverine , what was the outcome for the patient above, do you know?
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I'm amazed they were allowed in in the first place. You can't get near the Covid wards here.
Norway basically slamming its borders shut now. About bloody time.
There's more here, the full video showed patient being put back on oxygen, the maskless deniers being calmly escorted out where they continued to rant at the consultant about vitamin C
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/27/covi...rying-to-take-patient-from-hospital-13975271/
Wanted by the police now, incidentally still posting on youtube which I've flagged up for dangerous misinformation.
He mentioned sending the hospital trust a link to "evidence" for vit C, D, zinc and ivermectin linking to mainly other youtube hyperlinks in the letter
Filled with a lot of weaponised pseudo-legal jargon/lingo too. The doctors did great, these guys are armed with terms they misuse like power of attorney and McKenzie friend to try and disorient people. Being savvy to their tactics should become part of healthcare training I think to deal with situations like that. Above patient was pretty much as perfect a way to deal with that situation as I can think of.
As it is getting more frequent, above is not the only example
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...vid-deniers-putting-lives-at-risk-say-leaders
Did it happen quite early in the pandemic? There is a lot of family there which id imagine is not allowed now
Not so much. I think the seeds of covid misinformation took time to take root, gradually more and more people with lockdown have been online more and more and this stuff has become more mainstream. Initially it was the lab creation, 5G link stuff but pretty quickly morphed into the more insidious microchipping, covid denalism although with the pandemic documentary it wasn't long before you had a lot of people became radicalised.
Families like that aren't allowed, you can have a visitor or even someone staying over in very specific scenarios, e.g. mentioned here for a Birmingham hospital where my wife's grandmother is an inpatient with severe covid (she has been allowed somebody to stay with her in a sideroom due to dementia-related concerns). This is for a general ward, ITU rules are stricter
But the broader point about people sneaking into hospitals is due to lack of security which is sparse. It's not enormously difficult to make your way into a ward, you can tailgate somebody with a badge. Nurses are good at challenging for ID badges etc but in reality lunatics like that in the above video wouldn't find it too challenging
I hope that tosser is found and arrested
Really don't get why people PM keeps saying things "Road Map to reclaim our lives"
It's utter nonsense, its basically lest see if the vaccines are effective enough for some kind of return to pre-pandemic way of life, if they aren't we will have figure out what the F we do next.
People need to hear the truth. Not promises that no one has any idea if they can be kept
It's utter nonsense, its basically lest see if the vaccines are effective enough for some kind of return to pre-pandemic way of life, if they aren't we will have figure out what the F we do next.
People need to hear the truth. Not promises that no one has any idea if they can be kept
Couldn’t agree more.
So this new UK hotel quarantine policy only applies to certain countries and will take weeks to implement. What's the fecking point then?
This government just seems incapable of implementing anything quickly.
While I agree for the most part, I think the UK's vaccination plan is quite rapid compared to similar wealthy nations.
Sure i was only told yesterday. This was last month.
Both the adults have quite public facing jobs too and Deffo met loads of public. They are probably Indirectly responsible for death
Makes my blood boil that. I want to know the outcome of that. Because you can tell from the way the patient was looking, he would have 100% died if the family had their way.
Big admiration for that doctor there in the video - I would have struggled to remain composed for as long as he had. I've gone to town on some relative over the phone thinking that we were holding a patient against her will.
I will always try and rationalise with stupidity, as sometimes people aren't very bright. But that family there - bringing up "it hasn't been proven to exist" - that's beyond taking the piss. It horrifies me how there are some people out there who still act this way. I've previous said that it has to take a relative to get sick to realise the severity of it - clearly didn't work for this bollockhead.
Its really sad to witness. Mind boggling.
Look like they are doing something
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Urgh, it's so agitating to see such human stupidity and selfishness go unpunished. Murderers.
What should we be reading into the cases counts coming down fairly sharply in the UK? For all the discussions about how much the variant adds to R and higher infectiousness, it seems like the issue was we were simply too lax in terms of social restrictions. The big difference in what's closed now vs tier 4 is really the schools - are these worse for spread than we thought?
Ill people in denial and wanting out of the hospital back to their house is a common thing, I've always seen it with all sorts of diseases. It's fear that drives it.
It's the family that shocks me. I've convinced myself for some reason that negationists are only that way because they're isolated of the real impact of the virus, and would act differently when their relatives, friends, etc, became seriously sick. It's shocking how deep -and contagious - their idiocy is. Tragic right now in this context, a threat for the future of things like democracy is how I see it.
Hate to say it but if he wants to leave and his family are stupid enough to want him out of hospital, it should be his decision. Sign a waiver form and use the bed for someone who will appreciate the care. That poor doctor.
Of course they won’t because people love to blame someone, and especially when they can have a dig at a political party who they didn’t vote for. It amazes me how people act as if Labour would have done so much better in this pandemic, if they were in power. The situation is unprecedented, of course there is going to errors made along the way. Even the art thou EU have a supply issue for the vaccine, which is conveniently being missed by many now it doesn’t suit their pro-EU agenda.
Anyone who genuinely thought schools weren’t a big driver in transmissions needed their head wobbling.
Yep.
The most shocking thing is when he was talking about the vitamins and he said something about “the lawyer told me”. It seems stupidity is spreading almost as fast as Covid
It’s debatable what another party would have done. You can only criticize what’s in front of you. So let’s look at the Government so far;
- slow to react to initial outbreak despite Spain & Italy clocking up horrendous numbers
- the pm shaking hands with Covid patients ignoring the dangers
- transferring old people from hospitals back into care homes without testing, triggering outbreaks
- eat out to help out putting the economy before health
- shady supply and work contracts for family or friends, financial gains from the pandemic
- constant mixed, confusing messaging often not understood by their own members
- stay in your own area, unless you’re Dominic Cummings. Laughing it off when it’s brought up
- constant uncertainty around schools
- having to be shamed into helping feed kids, many of them ganging up and attacking Marcus Rashford for raising the issue
- gambling with the vaccine against the advice of the manufacturer. Only time will tell if that gamble pays off
- not doing a national lockdown when they knew for weeks about the new strain and how contagious it is
i am sure that there are many more that I’ve forgotten. Of course the government should be held to account, whether it’s the right time now or not is the question
by the way, the EU ordered in good faith, I fail to see how supply issue is their fault
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Indeed. I would personally argue that now is the right time considering people are still dying in record numbers. If they feck up this vaccine roll out they need to step aside and hand leadership over to people who know what they're doing (whomever that may be).
Saw this the other day and it's very true...
Criticise now - "Now is not the time"
Citicise immediately after - "We can't comment when an inquiry is taking place"
Criticise later on - "We need to move on from this"
For me the largest elephant in the room that no one is prepared to acknowledge is that freedom of movement on a global scale which we have enjoyed for several decades now and are loathe to give up is also the major reason why the world has suffered hundreds of thousands of deaths. Given that the experts are already saying that this will not be the last pandemic we ever experience perhaps border controls throughout the world will be here to stay.
If you had it, got the antibodies, and 3 months later were exposed to it again, and your immune system fought it off. Would it then reset the antibody clock? As in your body has built the defences back up again? I haven't got a clue
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It is much more complicated than the government only being criticised for closing them opening schools. They may simplify it into those terms so people perceive "oh they can't win". But to be brutally honest, it is absolute bull.
The government were advised by SAGE on 21st September to take drastic action to prevent a "very large epidemic with catastrophic consequences". Their advice was ignored. I don't see an improvement in the UK response to the second wave. We have the highest death rate in the World over the last week and also the highest total number of deaths in Europe. 60% of deaths happened after the SAGE advice was ignored.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-covid-death-rate-coronavirus-b1788817.html
As for vaccinations, yes we approved early, without the same thorough regulation as the EU or even the USA (see Dr Fauci's comments). That gamble of early approval and ordering seems to have paid off in the short term. But now our government stands alone in spacing out the first and second jabs way beyond the manufacturers recommendation. This is an experimental and new vaccine, do you trust our govenrment over the vaccine manufacturer? The only reason they are spacing out the gaps is so they can make the claim similar to yours;
"have been ahead of the game regarding vaccinations and that is something that should be lauded , some bright in the dark ."
I know we are all desperate for some positive news, but let's not blinker ourselves. Many people are waiting for their second jab and there is a chance that increasing the gap between the jabs could reduce the effectiveness. The government are counting people who have had their first jab but not their second jab in their figures. Playing politics yet again. But yes, let's blame people driving 5 miles to walk for the pandemic.
One thing we can agree on is, political opposition has been weak. Waste of time.
