I believe they gave anal swab tests for members of parliament to try, but half of them said they couldn't find it.China begins using anal swab test
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gins-using-anal-swabs-test-Covid-Beijing.html
I believe they gave anal swab tests for members of parliament to try, but half of them said they couldn't find it.China begins using anal swab test
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gins-using-anal-swabs-test-Covid-Beijing.html
Spot on. The minute the daft old fecker says no Im wont when the Dr tells him he will die in 30 minutes if he leaves, say righto, sign this release paper and feck off then.Jesus Christ. I have no words. Let them all go home and die
My thoughts too. Thick bastards. I wonder what happened?Jesus Christ. I have no words. Let them all go home and die
That would be sweet but the Dr could get struck off if he did that. For someone to sign themselves out you need to be sure they’re mentally competent to make that decision. A lawyer would be able to argue that the old man was delerious from his illness and not thinking straight. Getting family members to take full legal responsibility for a delirious relative is another kettle of fish on top of that.Spot on. The minute the daft old fecker says no Im wont when the Dr tells him he will die in 30 minutes if he leaves, say righto, sign this release paper and feck off then.
Absolutley, i was speaking from more of a "if the world had any actual justice" point of view. That dr has the patience of a saint, as if the medical professionals aren't already going through hell having to deal with spunk brained halfwits like that just isn't fair.That would be sweet but the Dr could get struck off if he did that. For someone to sign themselves out you need to be sure they’re mentally competent to make that decision. A lawyer would be able to argue that the old man was delerious from his illness and not thinking straight. Getting family members to take full legal responsibility for a delirious relative is another kettle of fish on top of that.
He handled the situation superbly. Can you imagine how badly he wanted to spark out the little shit, with all the stress he’s gone through because of twats like that?
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I'm amazed they were allowed in in the first place. You can't get near the Covid wards here.Absolutley, i was speaking from more of a "if the world had any actual justice" point of view. That dr has the patience of a saint, as if the medical professionals aren't already going through hell having to deal with spunk brained halfwits like that just isn't fair.
There's more here, the full video showed patient being put back on oxygen, the maskless deniers being calmly escorted out where they continued to rant at the consultant about vitamin C@Wolverine , what was the outcome for the patient above, do you know?
Did it happen quite early in the pandemic? There is a lot of family there which id imagine is not allowed nowI was going to link that video earlier, the longer version is about 20 minutes or so. Was on reddit about a week ago but it showed the patient's face.
Definitely agree though regarding delirium and lacking capacity to self-discharge. We do let people self-discharge against medical advice but only after a decision-specific capacity assessment is done. And capacity is usually assumed too. But not in the above context of hypoxic, vulnerable, frail patient.
There were medics who were a bit uneasy about letting people watch that from a patient confidentiality POV but I think it needs highlighting, the kind of shit that paramedics, medics and allied health professionals have to put up with is really insane. In high pressure litigious environments too.
Not so much. I think the seeds of covid misinformation took time to take root, gradually more and more people with lockdown have been online more and more and this stuff has become more mainstream. Initially it was the lab creation, 5G link stuff but pretty quickly morphed into the more insidious microchipping, covid denalism although with the pandemic documentary it wasn't long before you had a lot of people became radicalised.Did it happen quite early in the pandemic? There is a lot of family there which id imagine is not allowed now
But the broader point about people sneaking into hospitals is due to lack of security which is sparse. It's not enormously difficult to make your way into a ward, you can tailgate somebody with a badge. Nurses are good at challenging for ID badges etc but in reality lunatics like that in the above video wouldn't find it too challenging
- Two parents or guardians may visit children aged under 18, but only one of these visitors may be in the hospital at any one time
- If social distancing can be maintained, a maximum of two close family members or other people important to a patient at the end of their life may visit during the last 24 to 48 hours of the patient's life, or when the patient has passed away. If social distancing between these visitors is not possible, then only one may attend
- One person may visit to support a patient who has dementia, a learning disability or autism, if this visitor not being present would cause the patient to be distressed
- One person may, where the ward manager or nurse in charge agrees it is in the patient's best interests and at a time and date arranged in advance, visit a patient with a mental health condition if required to support the patient's well-being or decisions about their care
- Patients may be accompanied where appropriate and necessary to assist with the patient’s communication and/or to meet the patient’s health, social or spiritual care needs. For example a patient who has is deaf or is confused may need support with their communication, as may a patient who has a brain injury. Where possible, please contact the ward or department in advance to discuss local considerations so that any appropriate arrangements can be made
- If, as part of the patient's care plan, a DNACPR (Do Not Attempt Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation) order is agreed, a visit should be arranged to support the patient
- A visit prior to surgery may be arranged if family are being informed that the patient may not survive
- Children are not generally permitted to visit, however consideration will be given to under 18s attending with appropriate support in exceptional circumstances
Couldn’t agree more.Norway basically slamming its borders shut now. About bloody time.
While I agree for the most part, I think the UK's vaccination plan is quite rapid compared to similar wealthy nations.This government just seems incapable of implementing anything quickly.
Sure i was only told yesterday. This was last month.That is so disgusting. Did you manage to report them or something? Zombie and other apocalypse movies were right, all along. Humans truly are that stupid.
Makes my blood boil that. I want to know the outcome of that. Because you can tell from the way the patient was looking, he would have 100% died if the family had their way.
Its really sad to witness. Mind boggling.
Look like they are doing somethingSo this new UK hotel quarantine policy only applies to certain countries and will take weeks to implement. What's the fecking point then?
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Urgh, it's so agitating to see such human stupidity and selfishness go unpunished. Murderers.Sure i was only told yesterday. This was last month.
Both the adults have quite public facing jobs too and Deffo met loads of public. They are probably Indirectly responsible for death
Ill people in denial and wanting out of the hospital back to their house is a common thing, I've always seen it with all sorts of diseases. It's fear that drives it.Jesus Christ. I have no words. Let them all go home and die
Hate to say it but if he wants to leave and his family are stupid enough to want him out of hospital, it should be his decision. Sign a waiver form and use the bed for someone who will appreciate the care. That poor doctor.
Of course they won’t because people love to blame someone, and especially when they can have a dig at a political party who they didn’t vote for. It amazes me how people act as if Labour would have done so much better in this pandemic, if they were in power. The situation is unprecedented, of course there is going to errors made along the way. Even the art thou EU have a supply issue for the vaccine, which is conveniently being missed by many now it doesn’t suit their pro-EU agenda.Come on now. You can’t seriously think they want to prolong this? They might have made a mess of containing the virus but they’re doing better than almost anyone else at vaccinating you lot against it. Which isn’t a tactic you’d expect from a government that wants the pandemic to persist.
Which brings up some more cognitive dissonance. Seeing as the Tory’s get the blame for the high death toll, do they deserve credit for the impressive vaccination numbers?
Anyone who genuinely thought schools weren’t a big driver in transmissions needed their head wobbling.The big difference in what's closed now vs tier 4 is really the schools - are these worse for spread than we thought?
Yep.Hate to say it but if he wants to leave and his family are stupid enough to want him out of hospital, it should be his decision. Sign a waiver form and use the bed for someone who will appreciate the care. That poor doctor.
The most shocking thing is when he was talking about the vitamins and he said something about “the lawyer told me”. It seems stupidity is spreading almost as fast as CovidIll people in denial and wanting out of the hospital back to their house is a common thing, I've always seen it with all sorts of diseases. It's fear that drives it.
It's the family that shocks me. I've convinced myself for some reason that negationists are only that way because they're isolated of the real impact of the virus, and would act differently when their relatives, friends, etc, became seriously sick. It's shocking how deep -and contagious - their idiocy is. Tragic right now in this context, a threat for the future of things like democracy is how I see it.
It’s debatable what another party would have done. You can only criticize what’s in front of you. So let’s look at the Government so far;Of course they won’t because people love to blame someone, and especially when they can have a dig at a political party who they didn’t vote for. It amazes me how people act as if Labour would have done so much better in this pandemic, if they were in power. The situation is unprecedented, of course there is going to errors made along the way. Even the art thou EU have a supply issue for the vaccine, which is conveniently being missed by many now it doesn’t suit their pro-EU agenda.
Indeed. I would personally argue that now is the right time considering people are still dying in record numbers. If they feck up this vaccine roll out they need to step aside and hand leadership over to people who know what they're doing (whomever that may be).It’s debatable what another party would have done. You can only criticize what’s in front of you. So let’s look at the Government so far;
- slow to react to initial outbreak despite Spain & Italy clocking up horrendous numbers
- the pm shaking hands with Covid patients ignoring the dangers
- eat out to help out putting the economy before health
- shady supply and work contracts for family or friends, financial gains from the pandemic
- constant mixed, confusing messaging often not understood by their own members
- stay in your own area, unless you’re Dominic Cummings. Laughing it off when it’s brought up
- constant uncertainty around schools
- having to be shamed into helping feed kids, many of them ganging up and attacking Marcus Rashford for raising the issue
- gambling with the vaccine against the advice of the manufacturer. Only time will tell if that gamble pays off
- not doing a national lockdown when they knew for weeks about the new strain and how contagious it is
i am sure that there are many more that I’ve forgotten. Of course the government should be held to account, whether it’s the right time now or not is the question
by the way, the EU ordered in good faith, I fail to see how supply issue is their fault
If you had it, got the antibodies, and 3 months later were exposed to it again, and your immune system fought it off. Would it then reset the antibody clock? As in your body has built the defences back up again? I haven't got a clueMy sister in law had COVID back in March. She’s in USA. She had an antibodies test about 6 months later and they were still present.
Anyway, she just had another test a few days ago and they are still present
It is much more complicated than the government only being criticised for closing them opening schools. They may simplify it into those terms so people perceive "oh they can't win". But to be brutally honest, it is absolute bull.Take the school situation for instance. They were destroyed for not closing the schools in December and are now being destroyed for not committing to a date to reopen schools. How can they win in a situation like that?
The government were advised by SAGE on 21st September to take drastic action to prevent a "very large epidemic with catastrophic consequences". Their advice was ignored. I don't see an improvement in the UK response to the second wave. We have the highest death rate in the World over the last week and also the highest total number of deaths in Europe. 60% of deaths happened after the SAGE advice was ignored.As i said , mistakes have been made by the government , which have directly cost lives . Thats the black and white of it . Early on in particular we were slow to react and that lead to death .Putting people into care homes without testing , led to death. For comparison , other countries in europe acted more strongly and suppressed the 1st wave , i,m thinking of germany and france in particular as they have similar populace and demographics , and also similar experience of pandemic. They also , at the time ( germany in particular ) were heralded for their test and trace systems. Im not blind to the fact the government have made mistakes here , and rightly they are getting called out for that . ( Though i will say , the opposition have been abject in almost every way . Nicola Sturgeon though has been consistent and clear throughout , to her credit )
Regarding from the middle of the pandemic to date , i do believe the government have acted better ( not perfect by any stretch , and the xmas idea was a complete clusterfeck ) , but the testing system , from my own experience worked really well and was ramped up to beyond that of our neighbours in germany and france . Germanys heralded system fell apart and was overwhelmed when hit with the numbers we had in the first wave . Given the progression of time and the lower deaths and cases initially , i could also argue Germany have performed worse during this second wave than we have . I know you will argue that your point was not about how other countries are performing but about our gevernment , but i think mental comparison does play a part in our thinking that " We " are doing well or not .
For example " We seem to have been ahead of the game regarding vaccinations and that is something that should be lauded , some bright in the dark .
Ive commented before that the media have acted very irresponsably throughout , though i have not seen much positive/ negative Tory or labour spin on it to be honest , just bad , lazy , dangerous knee jerk clickbait style stuff that in worse than fake news in many ways. i ,m going to use the highest death rate in the world quote as an example of that . looks good on a headline , but according to world of meters , other countries do have higher death rates per million , belgium being one .
People are an issue though i,m afraid , and we will just have to agree to disagree on that . Part of it is demographic , we are old and fat as a nation , so the fat part at least we have to take ownership of . Large numbers of people have chosen to ignore the advice not to mix unless essential , Black lives matter protests and gatherings , shisha bar groups , weddings in jewish schools spring to mind . Thats the people mate , choosing to say feck it , and dominic cummings going for a drive as an excuse does not cut it with me .
Ive no doubt after this there will be heads to roll , a fall guy here or there , a dodgy deal being uncovered . ive also no doubt that some of the people saying ' well they deserve it " will be the same people who went to a new years party then went home and killed an aunt or uncle or mum or dad
If you had it, got the antibodies, and 3 months later were exposed to it again, and your immune system fought it off. Would it then reset the antibody clock? As in your body has built the defences back up again? I haven't got a clue