Unless you are a communist state like China, even when its for the greater good, you can only impose a very strict lockdown for a certain amount of time before cracks begin to show - especially if people are running low on supplies/money. Italy has been on the front lines of this far longer than the UK, i'm not surprised to see tensions rising.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Whether this particular piece of reporting is sensationalist or not, the social unrest it's describing is inevitable once a heavy lockdown reaches a certain point and would get worse beyond that as the lockdown continues. Whether or not Italy really is at that point now, it eventually will be, as will any other country that implements such measures.
Which is one of the reasons multiple countries repeatedly warned of the dangers of implementing these measures too early. They can only last so long before they break down, they can only last for so long before people start reacting against them and you'll struggle to get the same buy-in if you have to implement them a second time. So it really has to count for the limited amount of time you can sustain it.
I think it's more to do with half-arsed journalists turning an isolated incident with a grumpy prick into a "people abuse binmen, civilization is breaking down" story.
Seems like the US is going down the herd immunity route. Good news is that there'll be plenty of ventilators available to buy from them as they'll be over it pretty quick.
People have to realise it's not about their freedom, its about the fecking health of everyone.
If it is necessary to stay at home to safe thousands of lifes even for a full year, so be it.
You can't blame the goverments for this. You could blame them if they didn't care for our lifes.
Everyone needs to watch this
Cheers. Interesting and frightening to see.
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Well it's official. They've told my wife they're a “Covid unit” now
You are right. But I imagine its rather harder in practice.
This is quite interesting:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585394414
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585394414
Watching MOTD tonight, what happened to social distancing? Lineker flapping just arms around near the others?
I thought lineker was self quarantined anyway?
I thought lineker was self quarantined anyway?
Mmm bubble bath veggies
Not sure if posted already. Brilliant interview and Id say essential viewing for everyone. It's with head doctor in South Korea, on how they have dealt with convid19. If it were up to me, Governments all around the world should allow this man to advise them.
Leave the stuff (non perishable) in the shed/garage/boot. The virus can only survive up to 24 hours or so on cardboard.
Sounded like they were a covert Covid unit before. Hopefully they'll get testing and proper equipment, but obviously scary for you both.
How is that fella doing that was in coma - I think it was you that posted about it? How old is he? I hope he pulls through.
Look at Maxi being able to afford a shed/garage/boot.
Haha I my shed is tiny and full of spiders. I'm embarrassed anytime anyone sees it.
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I don't have any of those three
Yeah but you're in London aren't you? Hope you're keeping well btw.I don't have any of those three
So a cat tested positive for Covid-19. It's bloody ridiculous that cats are getting tested before humans are. Ridiculous.
Haven’t heard anything more today
Us humans are being purrsecuted
No problem. Cheers.
Yep so it's not such a biggie. Cheers- ditto hope you're getting through this ok.
It said it was before the lockdown.
I'm fine myself, thanks, but having an absolute nightmare of a time with my mum who just won't behave. She's not taking this serious at all which is frustrating.
That is mad but this stuff is a concern. I haven't seen much advice on handling stuff like food, packaging, washing clothes and dealing with other potentially contaminated items. It becomes an issue of risk and practicality.
I currently dispose of packaging straight after shopping and don't eat anything raw without giving it a wash and leaving it for a day or so. Whether that helps much, or if the risk is even significant I don't know.
Yeah in all seriousness I can't blame people for doing this sort of thing. Especially since there doesn't seem to be any easy to find government advise.
I have some guidelines but are in spanish
Basically you need to have a red point at the entrance where you will leave your street clothes (virus can only stay 12-24 hours in fabric), you pass a wipe with alcohol or hand sanitizer on the packages that you bought. Clean whatever you touched and go to shower. Leave the food that you will eat raw (and not packaged) 24 hours at least at the red point. The one you will cook will kill the virus
It’s fecking annoying though. People tend to follow the major narrative. If the news is full of stuff about how serious everything is and that you’re at risk of death if you leave the house, people will mostly stay at home. If they start talking about people being rebellious and circumventing the rules then people will start to consider that instead. It’s not like western people are somehow special, people just tend to push a bit against where they see the boundaries to be, just like kids do. Just don’t get people thinking the boundaries are too flexible ffs.
People's selfishness in all of this is absolutely astounding. I was driving around my town and saw tons of people sitting in packed outdoor seating areas at restaurants and bars. I see people are still going on ski trips and bragging about it on social media.
I wish there was more public shaming in Sweden of those who are unable to look beyond their own wants and needs even for a few weeks in light of a worldwide health crisis.
I wish there was more public shaming in Sweden of those who are unable to look beyond their own wants and needs even for a few weeks in light of a worldwide health crisis.
If a government's plan to deal with the crisis was to lock things down for a year with no expectation of serious social unrest then the fault for that plan's inevitable failure would be theirs, for not basing their plans on reaslistic human behaviour. The reality is that people simply won't compliantly stay at home for a year, even if we wish they would, even if it's in their own best interests and even if it saves lives. Because they're people, with all the flaws and limitations that implies.
Going into lockdown at some point will be the right move for most countries. If anyone expects that lockdown to be anything other than unsustainable though then they are deluded. Which is why so many countries repeatedly stressed the dangers of implementing these measures too early, they already know they won't last beyond a certain point.
The best you can hope for from an Italian style lockdown is that you implement it at the right time, you make the most of it while it's there, you manage your population to keep them compliant for as long as possible and you exit the lockdown in a measured & managed process. Exit you must though and in a much shorter time frame than a year.
Then what do you do when you get the second wave? Lockdown again?
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One hundred thousand flights daily?
Are they counting drones and paper aeroplanes too?
That's shite on a stick news surely.
We have around 60,000 cases in the NJ/NY area with around 1500 dead. This is getting scarily out of hand and I think a travel ban has just been put into effect. So anyone from Ny/Nj cannot drive to another state is what I’m led to believe.