If we have to protect ourselves might as well do it in style!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I don’t know why you keep dancing round the point here. Sweden’s approach will only be proved wrong or right in another two or three weeks time. All the opinions coming out of all the countries whose epidemic is much more advanced than Sweden’s is that they profoundly regret not shutting down sooner. Time will tell if Sweden has some unique traits that will allow it to take a different approach, without enduring the same tragedy as Italy or Spain.
Anyway, your mind is obviously made up. A couple of weeks back you were telling everyone that stopping Premier League football would be an over-reaction! If the appalling death rate coming out of the Uk hasn’t convinced you that your opinion on this pandemic might occasionally be wide of the mark then nothing I can say will convince you either.
This virus is deadly enough to kill millions of people while driving most others completely crazy due to isolation, losing jobs and not having enough money. Or in general to completely feck up the rest of the world.
In that morbid sense, it is pretty much perfectly "designed". I just hope at this point that warm whether will help.
In that morbid sense, it is pretty much perfectly "designed". I just hope at this point that warm whether will help.
Absolutely not @Arruda, they could be wrong.
Lots of experts in tonnes of countries have been wrong and will continue to be.
.........they've been wrong about not implementing measures earlier...
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We knew this already.
Its 30+ degrees in Nigeria and it's spreading rapidly. Cases are doing every fee days and there has been feck all testing.
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I don't see how it will. Most cases are spread by people touching their face after touching surfaces that have been exposed.
Its 30+ degrees in Nigeria and it's spreading rapidly. Cases are doing every fee days and there has been feck all testing.
That's just not what happened. You brought my personal habits into it and I corrected you. I've also noticed a stark difference in how this has been handled overall in the UK compared to other places and it has made me sad, and the figures today highlight the extent of the tragedy, specifically as it is unfolding in the UK. The government needs to take accountability and we all need to take personal accountability too. Government can only do so much.
IMHO there will be a lot of fallout between nations once this is over. Not just the USA and the U.K. but within the EU which has hardly covered itself in glory with regards to cooperation particularly in the early days. Then there is China which I don’t believe the world will easily forgive. I know we live in a globalized world but the economic cost to the world that this will cause will be far greater than if no country ever traded with China. And on a truely personal note.....bugger Hauwei having any sort of input into the U.K. 5G network.
Yep. Though I do think a factor here as that our government has run down the health service so much that it literally couldn't cope before corona virus was even a thing. So it seems as much about buying time to get more facilities and equipment as anything else...but people should be asking questions as to why it was allowed to get into such a mess as to force us into this position, rather than worrying about what other countries are doing.
I think that will happen after this all eases off and that's when there'll be the big danger of unrest and even full on rioting. The fallout out from this here will be pretty big and in large part it's been manifactured by the lack of responsibility from the government in looking after people, instead of just looking after money and playing stupid political games with everyone's future.
There's only so long they will be able to hide something like that. Especially when they've had to magic up hundreds of billions of pounds of the money they kept saying they didn't have to carry out their own lockdown policies. At the moment the fear and shock factor from the virus will keep people mostly to sticking to rules and concentrating on looking after themselves and loved ones. Once this starts to ease of and people have time to assess the damage and their situation, and actually ask questions, there is potentially going to be a very big problem.
Ian Duncan Smith did a big one today. Basically saying after the crisis is over the west needs to rethink our relatiomship with China completely
I think you get better recovery rates by diagnosing/following up milder cases in the community. The more severe cases seem to take several weeks to recover so countries that mainly focussed on hospital testing (Italy then, Uk now) will have very low recovery rates for the first few weeks of their epidemic.
It is so crucial this works in the short term at least. There so many lives on the line is ridiculous. Good to see UK had joined the trial.
It's all so surreal. American conservatives were the ones preaching how the whole thing was just a political scam and now they are pointing fingers at what everyone else has been doing, people who at their worst probably did and cared 10 times as much about this crisis. I don't know how I would deal with that if I was living there. That's a level of delusion and hypocrisy where I would probably just draw a line and say that I refuse to socialize with such scum. But then it's half the country, so you have to?
I wonder if anyone is going to call out Gove on his lies? Of course not. All the questions will be pre-planned.
Just saw the UK numbers. Goodness.
It's awful.
Apparently Alok Sharma is on today.
Well said, fully agree. This sort of reflects the dangers of populism and a culture that rejects "experts".
Ugh. It's so angering. I have vulnerable family and friends in the UK and I feel so helpless. They are at risk, as are the frontline staff at hospitals, as the video states harrowingly.
“people are tired of experts”
probably true... somebody is going to have to bail our government out and buy their bonds... better start bigging up the huawai 5G and letting China pick what infrastructure they want to build for the UK.
Was out of touch recently (pulled back to work, actually reassigned to Civil protection service which works and coordinates with the police in cases of major accidents and catastrophes in my country; or times like this), so didn't even look at the world wide figures so much the last few days. Nigeria is the one that gave me that hope in the 1st place as the numbers weren't so big from the start.
Looking it even now it is at 156 cases and 1st one was on February 27th. Now, I know they aren't testing, so not taking that number as relevant at all. Number of deaths is at 2 which still isn't nearly as dramatic like the rest of the world. But, I see now it is actually becoming worse in the last few days which would mean you are probably right. That would be a really bad/awful news.
But it is the damned experts that the government is following in respect of the virus. As per usual like experts in all fields there are as many views as there are experts.
I always find it interesting that huawei is the one they get all worked up about, while this government pay china to build two nuclear reactors on our soil.
Once again, absolutely.
I’m simply giving out the reasons and information given to us about why we haven’t locked down.
I also think it’s inevitable that countries are kicking the can down the road and it’s inescapable that a lot of people are going to die after these lockdowns
Pogue’s probably correct that it’ll be lockdown, open, lockdown, open for the foreseeable future & countries are always going to be “guessing” when is right to lockdown/open up again.
That's going to be absolutely insane. In certain countries there are elections supposed to happen soon, everything will be used for political fight for dominance and it will be utter chaos.
Unless we get a world-wide consensus very soon, the global system is in big danger of a major collapse, leading to all sorts of relationships, unions, alliances and pacts being broken. It's incredibly important that the main leaders of the biggest countries realise how dependent the rest of the world is to them and their economies. I have no idea why the UN hasn't been involved already, it's egotism and selfishness of the highest order to not look at the bigger picture.
The BBC News app story on that statement just reported his words without comment. Pathetic lack of integrity from them as ever.
No, you just ignore the scum, you won't find much socialization between actual liberals and the far right. Actual liberals have been marginalized in the democratic party, that under Obama was right of Ronald Reagan most of the time. Many are waiting for someone influential to finally start a new party.
Not saying its true or false, but since both countries are locked in a blame war, this is the equivalent of an Ed Woodward media briefing.
The Imperial College of London paper said we can take one month off lockdown without causing cases to rise above ICU and ventilator capacity if we follow it with 2 months on lockdown.
212 new cases and 14 deaths in Ireland.
Total: 3447 cases and 85 deaths.
Total: 3447 cases and 85 deaths.
Why stop now.
Most politicians are highly trained serial liars.
And those at the top are the biggest liars of them all.
Slightly interesting thing from the Irish figures is that while 25% of confirmed cases are health workers, only 6% of those cases are as a result of transmission in a hospital. In other words a higher level of community transmission is driving those numbers rather than in-hospital or patient-to-carer transmission, for whatever reason.
About half the population could work from home anyway.One off, two on? Sounds fexking grim.
For a year? How is that even achievable?
Nursing homes seem to be riddled with it here.
Of which countries? And what about the other half?
Yeah, I was asking for a research paper that came from China. What is wrong with that?
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Ditto Team Trump and Team Modi.
However, seems like China, Russia, Germany have the right leader in place.