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You can't possibly be serious!? What do you suggest we do - just ignore the problem and let it run rampant?
Your nieces' schoolwork can't possibly be more important than people's lives.
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You can't possibly be serious!? What do you suggest we do - just ignore the problem and let it run rampant?
Your nieces' schoolwork can't possibly be more important than people's lives.
Right. But in a context where you're talking about the "collective punishment" of people, that's relevant. You already have more leniency than other countries as is, so when you ask what % of the population we're referring to the answer is "more than in other countries who are facing the same circumstances". Your country as a whole is more lax in this regard. So I'm not sure why you'd frame it as being threatened when you're actually being given the opportunity to avoid having to follow the same harsher restrictions.
Japan is on a supposedly linear rise. Of course since the Olympics were cancelled. I really hope it is some miraculous exception but I doubt it for the reasons given in my previous post. Japan is a warning sign of severely limited testing equals severely limited information.
The UK has more relaxed rules than some countries and harsher rules than others.
Just because our lockdown isn't as draconian as France, Italy and Spain doesn't mean that Matt Hancock isn't slyly threatening the public when he brings up the prospect of a stricter lockdown on what is coincidentally the first day of fine weather we've had all year. It's a distracting and dangerous message.
Also, for the vast majority of kids it won't make enough of a difference. It will for those sadly, who live in a tough home environment or those who need additional support.Shocking post!
You can't possibly be serious!? What do you suggest we do - just ignore the problem and let it run rampant?
Your nieces' schoolwork can't possibly be more important than people's lives.
But the vast majority of kids will be fine. In fact, parents should be using this as an opportunity to get actively involved into their learning and more importantly helping them develop into more decent human beings - a responsibility many seem to neglect.
Is there anything to this? He's showing that most facemasks won't stop small droplets getting through except for the N95 masks but he's using an aerosol and I have no clue how and aerosol compares to human breath. I can't find the original with sound either.
Do you want keep the nation shut in doors from now until we get a vaccine? Which is probably a year to 18 months away.Shocking post!
You can't possibly be serious!? What do you suggest we do - just ignore the problem and let it run rampant?
Your nieces' schoolwork can't possibly be more important than people's lives.
If you don't, then we all need to calm it and a have a sensible discussion about how we restart the economy and return some liberty until we get a vaccine.
Dreading next weekend , Bangor hospital in North Wales covers all of Anglesey and a huge part of North Wales mainland . No doubt there will be loads down for a nice little Easter break . The hospital staff must be dreading it too.
They're designed to be breathable. They're only ever doing to stop big globs of spit.
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What are you going on about nation shut? Nobody is saying close everything down for 18 months. But the lockdown measures need to be in place for atleast a few months and opened up little by little. It will help the NHS massively and it will save lives most importantly.
This could be gone way before a Vaccine is in production.
There should be a lot more deaths if just by Pneumonia. I think people and hospital staff would be talking about the cases coming in, wards would be shut off and staff in full PPE or many would be getting infected and dying in trying to treat them normally. It's a slow spread like the other Asian regions. Sure there was a reluctance while the Olympics was in question early on but if it was rife the evidence would be there out of the hospitals and the many that work there.
One confirmed covid death in my nans care home and a second taken to hospital suspected. Feels like a matter of time now
I do understand the principle of what jmack is saying. It is easy for curtailed liberties to be extended and then kept in place when the situation returns to something resembling normality. The answer is for our countries to become serious about funding their health systems and pro-active in this area as new viruses that are highly contagious like this one are likely to become more of a problem rather than less of one.
Why? Open borders, mass movement of people into each others` countries legally and illegally, global business which won`t cease and the unforeseen effects of climate change warned about by a handful of scientists and activists. We need to be having serious conversations about society and what it needs, how to fund services fairly etc.
The US and UK are on the current trajectory owing to the lack of decisiveness by their respective governments and disobedience shown by a section of the population. As a result of this. Things will unfortunately get much much worse before they start to get better.
It really did not have to be this way
It really did not have to be this way
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully won't turn into a facility wide infection and your nan doesn't get it
As soon as possible yes, I agee. I’m going as stir crazy as anyone else, I’m coming into my 4th week here. But still, it needs to stay in place until it’s absolutely safe to relax.
most of the infection now seems to be community spread so that says it all really, we can’t afford another period, perhaps a second lockdown if it starts respreading
I get your point and I`m not saying the situation resembles that in Europe but Japan doesn`t generally do autopsies, if you think hospital staff are going to talk about cases coming in except to their co-workers and their very closest relatives then you clearly don`t know about the culture here, the public is going nowhere near the wards connected to COVID-19 patients especially because of the hoops they have to jump through to even ask face to face for a test, and even if COVID-19 is present in patients it is not likely to be recorded if there is another condition present.
I`m not hearing an increase in ambulances in my area but one of my co-workers who lives in a north-western ward of Tokyo is. The medical system here is far more secretive than that in many developed countries - for example many elderly people die of cancer without knowing they have it. Their families are told by the specialist and they can withhold that information. There will be no scruples about withholding COVID-19 information to cases and to the public alike.
There could very well be a big jump in cases here when other countries are getting a handle on it. I want to be proved incorrect.
I mean there has to be a reason why professionals are using special masks and it's most likely that they offer better protection than just a piece of cloth. But that doesn't mean that the latter are necessarily useless.
He was a real character. He was the one who had all the women living with him, his "wifelets". His actual wife lived somewhere else most of the time!
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That can happen and doesn't mean Japan is hiding it. It can creep through and eventually speed up and devastate an older demographic.
German figures still make little sense considering how many have been “critical” for weeks now.
Chance Germany is only calling it a Covid-death is Covid-19 is the main cause?
Chance Germany is only calling it a Covid-death is Covid-19 is the main cause?
Taking my post completely out of context. What you don't seem to realise is people not being educated will result in a long term problem of lack of nurses, surgeons etc because the people who would normally have made it didn't get the appropriate education, therefore costing life, or is it only some form of life that's important to you?Shocking post!
You can't possibly be serious!? What do you suggest we do - just ignore the problem and let it run rampant?
Your nieces' schoolwork can't possibly be more important than people's lives.
Also a long term lock down happens the economy will collapse to the point people won't be able to afford to FEED THEIR KIDS.
If you're actually an advocate of long term lockdown you're may aswellsigning scores of young children's death warrants.
Wayne Rooney says players face a no-win situation in wage debate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52172196
Is he being a dick or does he have a point.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52172196
Is he being a dick or does he have a point.
Yesterday 708 was announced for UK and today it's 555 for England. Day before yesterday was 684 for UK
Oh you mean not figures but actually yesterday.
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So stopping education for a few months is going to stop somebody becoming a surgeon and nurse?
Have a word with yourself.
Note it is possible I may have misunderstood or misintepreted the following papers:
I had search about through the literature about N95 masks and they are classified using particles which are 300nm (nanometer) according to this paper:
I had a search through some literature on measuring the size of the droplets from "aerosol cans" which are hair sprays, deodrants etc. One paper reported they are on average, about 8.5um (micrometers):
I've then had a look at measurements of the droplet size distribution of a typical breath. One paper reported this::
According to this paper, the droplet size is 16um. I don't know the size technique they used, but Fig.3 in this paper shows the respective size distributions as well. They also measured the velocities using a well established technique.
He has a point, make it a government decision of 30% wage reduction for ALL high earners and block rich profitable businesses from trying to use the taxpayer to pay their staff.
Or better still, temporary crisis extra 30% tax on high earners, then the money goes right to the taxpayer.
Both to be honest!
Quite a few people out and about here but no groups as far as I could see unless they were families. This coming week will be interesting as the weather is going to be even better. Don't think people will stay indoors much.
Good for you as a private citizen.
It would be irresponsible for any competent government to only focus on saving lives in the near term, at the expense of everything else.
This has been called a war (against the epidemic of course). Well in war, any military officer will tell you that at the highest levels of planning, there are strategic tradeoffs that occur, where saving the lives of their personnel is the highest priority, but that considering other high priorities (such as success of the war, the after effects of the war, and so on) will yield a number of casualties everyone can live with or tolerate.
It's already happening now. If governments wanted to truly keep the amount of deaths as low as possible they would implement absolute stay indoors orders. Go outside and you're sentenced to life, or something like that. You can say it's impossible to have such an order (it's not), but the more realistic answer is that the costs of such an approach were too high, even considering that you would get less deaths that way.
So yeah I don't blame anyone in this thread for holding thoughts like the bolded. But @Dan's thinking will be shared by any political figure removed from the immediate emotion of the situation.
This should be bigger news, but it'll get swept under the carpet and videos of people clapping will be shown instead.
I never said a few months, I know schools are out till September and got no qualms with it.
I'm talking about the idea of lockdown "for as long as it takes", anyone who thinks thats has been utterly brainwashed and ironically would be the approach that costs the most lives (and by some distance).
I'm on board with the current measures in the short term,it's the right thing to do, but there will come a point it becomes counter productive and do the total opposite of protecting the NHS and saving lives.
No. They have repeatedly said they count all deads with covid. It seems really hard for you to consider the fact that some country might do something better than Sweden#1.
I personally don’t think this is true. The virus is invisible and there are carriers that aren’t showing symptoms. It’s very difficult to stop even with super strict lockdown laws. The big issue was the government was too slow to react and the virus had already spread at that point. All country borders should have been closed other than to get nationals home to their own countries.
Ah ok, I thought it might have been an invalid test
The purpose of the test seems to be to demonstrate that some masks are more effective than others and that there may be some masks that offer virtually no protection whatsoever.
The papers I linked suggest there may be some similarity between the size of droplets from breathing and the size of droplets from aerosol cans sold to the public. If the size of the droplets he produced from his deodorant are the same as the size of the droplets exhaled from breathing, then it shows that those particular masks in his test are useless for the current pandemic, with regards to exhaling.
N95 masks are still absolutely fine.
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Eh?
God you’re a weird bunch in here. Norway so far are doing a better job than Sweden, South Korea certainly, Singapore, China (who knows).
I’ve no idea how well Sweden will do, probably the same as most other European countries by the end I’d imagine, I genuinely don’t think there will be a huge difference anywhere.
But Germany have had thousands critically ill for weeks, yet their numbers go up so little everyday, unlike any other country?