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We got another woman hater here.
That's shocking numbers. Have to admit I mistakenly believed we would see fewer deaths.
A week before but on the same number of cases. Which is why they're also suffering the high death rates. Worrying, they're ahead of us by a week so we might just thrash there totals too as we're putting at the same sort of numbers.When did France lockdown Skills?
France locked down earlier though and look their numbers, after half term I think it was a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.Do people still think we made the right call holding off taking action as long as possible? We're racking up numbers as high as Italy were at their worst, and we don't have the excuse of being caught unaware.
I can answer that. A week before the UK. It’s that extra week of faffing, with pubs and clubs full of people, that has hurt the UK so badly. We can just be grateful that organisations like the PL took the initiative and stopped running events with thousands of people packed together before the government got its shit together and belatedly asked them to.When did France lockdown Skills?
As long as people aren't dying as a result of not being able to get a ventilator or an ICU bed then the lockdown didn't come too late. The numbers were always going to be huge.Do people still think we made the right call holding off taking action as long as possible? We're racking up numbers as high as Italy were at their worst, and we don't have the excuse of being caught unaware.
Is my thoughts too.As long as people aren't dying as a result of not being able to get a ventilator or an ICU bed then the lockdown didn't come too early. The numbers were always going to be huge.
Can of worms this.I don't believe anybody should go after reparations but China should definitely be held to account in other ways. The world should no longer shrug its shoulders and say 'it's their culture' if a country allows obviously unsafe practices to carry on unchecked.
People are dying now who would not have even caught the virus had a lockdown been enforced earlier. It doesn't matter if they died because ICU is overwhelmed or not if they hadn't even become ill in the first placeAs long as people aren't dying as a result of not being able to get a ventilator or an ICU bed then the lockdown didn't come too late. The numbers were always going to be huge.
France locked down earlier though and look their numbers, after half term I think it was a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
The deaths and cases will drop off soon but then you have the issues with reopening the country.
That is a bloody scandal if true.A report today said we could have as many as 40% of all the deaths in Europe.
it’s been horrendously handled by us.
That's far too simplistic. For example people have died because doctors didn't have the PPE to treat them so didn't.As long as people aren't dying as a result of not being able to get a ventilator or an ICU bed then the lockdown didn't come too late. The numbers were always going to be huge.
No, that’s not true. Even in Italy, they never actually ran out of ventilators. That’s a bit of a myth that is doing the rounds. It’s not just about being able to ventilate every COVID patient who needs it. It’s about leaving some capacity in your health service to adequately treat all the other patients who continue to need treatment, as well as try and do your best for pandemic patients.As long as people aren't dying as a result of not being able to get a ventilator or an ICU bed then the lockdown didn't come too late. The numbers were always going to be huge.
That’s a fair point, but without a vaccine there’s a large chance these people would have caught it later instead.People are dying now who would not have even caught the virus had a lockdown been enforced earlier. It doesn't matter if they died because ICU is overwhelmed or not if they hadn't even become ill in the first place
Yes I think obvious for a while. Italy's progression showed the lockdown starts to take effect about 2 weeks in ending the exponential growth, but it takes another 1-2 weeks or so for the growth to then start declining. There curve is almost a Gaussian curve stripped from an A level stats textbook.Surely China's numbers especially deaths look more bullshite by the day. They built 12 hospitals in Wuhan alone but had around half the deaths of the UK...
Also saw this bit of a conspiracy but wouldn't put it past Republican scum.
Do you mean by day of death? The one for England can be found here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/936 the UK number is.
Someone posted a report that showed the deaths on discrete days recently, I can't find it. Will be interesting to see when that updates what direction we are heading in on a day by day basis.
I find myself being unable to shake the anger at those sporting events and gigs going ahead when it was hitting the fan in Europe.
Has the caf Jury already ruled China is to blame then?I don't believe anybody should go after reparations but China should definitely be held to account in other ways. The world should no longer shrug its shoulders and say 'it's their culture' if a country allows obviously unsafe practices to carry on unchecked.
Is my thoughts too.People are dying now who would not have even caught the virus had a lockdown been enforced earlier. It doesn't matter if they died because ICU is overwhelmed or not if they hadn't even become ill in the first place
Let me comment on this. The WHO Executive Board is comprised of the various regions of the World. From Europe they have Germany, Italy, Israel, Latvia Finland,Austria and some other countries.This whole talk of blame and repatriation is just a can of worms. Economic incompetence, unnecessary wars, climate change are all issues that kill in the thousands and starting to attribute any blame or demand action is open to obvious claims of hypocrisy.
In an odd way i kind of agree with Trump that the WHO have failed in their task. Viruses happen and you can't say it wouldn't have happened anyway but globally we weren't ready for this. I suspect it's because the WHO were ignored and had no authority themselves but something needs to change.
My fear is that, once this is over, the focus might wrongly be on the wet markets.I don't believe anybody should go after reparations but China should definitely be held to account in other ways. The world should no longer shrug its shoulders and say 'it's their culture' if a country allows obviously unsafe practices to carry on unchecked.
It is fake. Good of you to point it out so fast, goes to show how easy this stuff is believed. Not that I blame people, these are exceptional times.I'd like to take this opportunity to apologies as this looks like it could be fake news. It's been dispelled on Twitter by an official South East Ambulance account.
I'm awaiting an update off my Mum who I'm now expecting will tell me it was a sent to her by a senior colleague and not the word of a senior colleague.
For what it's worth, if the change in protocol was true I would still expect them to come out and dispel the rumour to keep the public calm.
So, if I'm interpreting these spreadsheets correctly, the deaths that took place yesterday were the lowest they've been in the last 14 days, is that right? They've been declining for the last 3 days. Would that suggest a peak has already happened?Do you mean by day of death? The one for England can be found here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Updated graph of English deaths by day of death (last 5-6 days will see significant upward revision):Here's a graph of deaths per day in England once they've been distributed according to the date of death rather than date of reporting (the last 5 days will likely see significant revision):
That 271 from last Tuesday seems massively out of place.
Either that or the Wuhan Ban ain't nuttin to feck wit.Surely China's numbers especially deaths look more bullshite by the day. They built 12 hospitals in Wuhan alone but had around half the deaths of the UK...
Also saw this bit of a conspiracy but wouldn't put it past Republican scum.
It's going to take a huge plot twist for them not to be responsible for it.Has the caf Jury already ruled China is to blame then?
Unfortunately not. Basically there's almost always a lag between the day the death occurs and the day it is reported. Today's figures added 306 to yesterday's total, 162 to the day before that, then 93 for Sunday, etc, etc. We won't know the specifics of yesterdays real figure with any degree of confidence for going on a week.So, if I'm interpreting these spreadsheets correctly, the deaths that took place yesterday were the lowest they've been in the last 14 days, is that right? They've been declining for the last 3 days. Would that suggest a peak has already happened?
given we can't stay in a lockdown for 18 months, it's going to be very difficult to ensure the elderely and vulnerable don't get ill even after this lockdown is eased.People are dying now who would not have even caught the virus had a lockdown been enforced earlier. It doesn't matter if they died because ICU is overwhelmed or not if they hadn't even become ill in the first place
Chinese scientists were letting people know in January. most of the West sat on it until March. i can already see Europe deflecting from their own inadequate response by pinning all of this on China, once this is all over and done with.Semantics. My point still remains, no one is getting inside China to investigate how long they sat on this thing etc. It’s a futile conversation.
Probably both, I would say.@Revan we were talking about the true death rate about a month ago, what do you think it is now?
Back then the mortality rate in Germany & SK was <1% and we probably thought that was the true rate, because of all the unknown cases. But in both SK and Germay it seems to be converging to around 2% now. So have the deaths just caught up or is it the case that even their testing capacity is being outstripped by the infection rate?
Responsible for what?It's going to take a huge plot twist for them not to be responsible for it.
That’s a good pointChinese scientists were letting people know in January. most of the West sat on it until March. i can already see Europe deflecting from their own inadequate response by pinning all of this on China, once this is all over and done with.
Nah. They're debating. Ad infinitum.Has the caf Jury already ruled China is to blame then?
I seem to remember countries taking precautions much earlier than March, may have been ineffective and overly hopeful that China could contain in Wuhan . No matter how confused, non-united in their efforts and ineffectual I feel you are drawing a completely inaccurate picture. There's not much credit to go around but the various effects were complex.Chinese scientists were letting people know in January. most of the West sat on it until March. i can already see Europe deflecting from their own inadequate response by pinning all of this on China, once this is all over and done with.
I agree but I arrive at this belief based on their authoritarian system of government scaring doctors into not reporting properly. The cover up is a problem. I don't see how you can argue against this.It's going to take a huge plot twist for them not to be responsible for it.
This. The only scenario I see is a large proportion of the society getting this, as I don't believe a vaccine will be developed in time.given we can't stay in a lockdown for 18 months, it's going to be very difficult to ensure the elderely and vulnerable don't get ill even after this lockdown is eased.