SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[caid]

Yep. Also I’m a great believe in if you have done nothing wrong why would you worry about it?

You and your governments interpretation of wrong can diverge, if they're not already wildly different. Or the government can change. Maybe your comfortable enough with the current admin having access to your movements and interactions but you should consider some of the nightmare scenario potential governments having access to it
Not that i disagree in this particular example but i'm not a fan of the reasoning

 

[Shakesy]

The Covid 19 version of Ozymandias.

 

[Balljy]

It's also really similar to the script of Outbreak, starring Dustin Hoffman(also fiction).

I'm just glad we haven't got any other signs of our impending doom at the moment. Imagine what the religious lot would be saying if other elements of the book of revelations were going on right now.

Plague of Locusts

 

[PepsiCola]

Sunday times article is damning.

feck boris.

feck tories.

 

[sullydnl]

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Hadn't occurred to me that if schools re-opened it might initially be on a one day per week basis. I wonder how much of an impact that would have for people? Seems very limited but I suppose from a mental health point of view it would make a big difference for the kids.

 

[do.ob]

I'm just glad we haven't got any other signs of our impending doom at the moment. Imagine what the religious lot would be saying if other elements of the book of revelations were going on right now.

Plague of Locusts

I mean..

1 Donald
2 Donald Jr
3 Ivanka
4 Melania

only 3 more Trumpets to go until the apocalypse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_trumpets

 

[Balljy]

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Hadn't occurred to me that if schools re-opened it might initially be on a one day per week basis. I wonder how much of an impact that would have for people? Seems very limited but I suppose from a mental health point of view it would make a big difference for the kids.

I'm a bit unsure how that would be any safer for anybody involved than 5 days a week. If one kid has the virus surely they would just spread it to everybody on the one day they were in per week. Maybe it's more to do with staffing levels?

 

[Dancfc]

Tell you what, Chelsea fans can go first then. Step up there big man

What a ridiculous twisting of my words.

Let me guess your the type of person who doesn't fly just incase?

 

[sullydnl]

I'm a bit unsure how that would be any safer for anybody involved than 5 days a week. If one kid has the virus surely they would just spread it to everybody on the one day they were in per week. Maybe it's more to do with staffing levels?

I'd imagine there would be pretty stringent social distancing on that one day with groups of kids being kept apart from each other. Would it really be that hard to stop it spreading between different classes, say? Plus the week gap would give time for symptoms to develop and alarm to be raised, I suppose.

Not being a parent, I'm just not sure how big an impact one day a week would make. If people are working that's still four weekdays where kids need to be minded, which is pretty difficult to work around. I can see how it would be good for those parents' and kids' moods to get that break for a few hours but it more practical terms it seems limited.

 

[One Night Only]

I'm a bit unsure how that would be any safer for anybody involved than 5 days a week. If one kid has the virus surely they would just spread it to everybody on the one day they were in per week. Maybe it's more to do with staffing levels?

Haven't read it but possibly one-two year groups per day?

 

[Sweet Square]

I think it's because it's a first step to monitoring everything and controlling what people do. Especially with how our government leave laptops on trains with confidential info and lose usb sticks. I wouldn't trust them knowing my every move.

Them monitoring movements will then lead to more, monitoring what websites you can go on and can't (didn't they try to do that with porn recently?)

Monitoring who you're talking to, when it's none of their business tbh. It'll end up being abused somehow.

I would imagine a shit ton of annoying alerts too. It would be some half arsed app which isn't secure anyway. All government websites and technology is a shambles

Edit: also, they'd probably snoop on your spending in the end, maybe limit your gambling habits, that type of thing I'd expect and they'd put it down to "mental health help" or something.

It will be used as a trial for a future social credit system(Somewhat similar to what China is trying to do). Resulting in easier ways for the state(So governments and private companies)to issues fines, track political organising, tougher sanctions on people who use welfare/benefits etc etc.

The problem isn't with the app(It's very useful to be able to track the population during an pandemic)but that it's not democratically controlled.

 

[Zexstream]

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Hadn't occurred to me that if schools re-opened it might initially be on a one day per week basis. I wonder how much of an impact that would have for people? Seems very limited but I suppose from a mental health point of view it would make a big difference for the kids.

The virus doesn't work on certain days per week. It operates 24/7 everyday.

Its safe to go to school 1 day per week but the other 4 are dangerous?

A simple test to any business or school would be asking them, can you guarantee my safety from catching Covid-19.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

We have to grow up and accept that people will be dying of COVID-19 until we get a vaccine and it's as simple as that.

No. People don’t need to die. Not at scale. We should never accept that.

We have to grow up and take personal responsibility. Realise that the government is not our friend. Nor will it protect us to a standard that we try to protect people we love.

I will not be the cause of anyone else getting sick.

I will not take public transport until this is under control. I’ll ride my bike.

I won’t be booking international travel for well over a year. I can find joys in this country with a degree of safety.

I won’t be going to internal gatherings at pubs.

I won’t be booking gig tickets.

I’m willing for life to be a little less fun, until there’s some semblance of calm and understanding.

The problem is selfish people putting faith in the government. All they need is a little suggestion that things will be relaxed and they start doing everything that got us in this mess. If everyone realised that personal responsibility should trump guidelines from total strangers in Westminster, we’d all be a lot safer.

 

[Infra-red]

Sunday times article is damning.

feck boris.

feck tories.

Yep. An absolutely brutal takedown of Boris and the UK government.

 

[Hound Dog]

On the last day that my team admitted patients, we got a guy that tried to commit suicide via organophosphate ingestion. Even though I’m not psych, I usually still talk to these people and try to find out what pushed them to this. This particular guy, in his 30s or so, said that he simply had no money remaining, no money coming in, nothing, so he tried to commit suicide.

Locking things down is very essential, but there is the dark side of it, things like this, and I think it will get more frequent the longer this goes on.

We need to make a wall with posts like this for all of those who want to lockdown until a vaccine is available.

And imagine how much this would happen after, say, six months of lockdown. Exponential growth.

 

[Balljy]

Haven't read it but possibly one-two year groups per day?

That would make some sense. Have a couple of classes with the same teachers for the same kids every day. You'd then limit any potential spread to isolated groups at a time. It could still get around families, but any form of lifting of restrictions is going to do that.

 

[sullydnl]

The virus doesn't work on days per week.

Its safe to go to school 1 day per week but the other 4 are dangerous?

A simple test to any business or school would be asking them, can you guarantee my safety from catching Covid-19.

No business or school can guarantee your safety. That isn't the standard they'll have to meet to re-open though.

You say the virus doesn't work on days per week but limiting the amount of time children are potentially exposed to each other by 4/5ths will obviously reduce opportunity for them to spread it to each other. Plus the week gap limits the opportunity for children to spread the disease during an initial asymptomatic period.

 

[Wibble]

People just dont get it.

This is a civilization ending event.

The Economy is never getting back to the levels we had before, social distancing is not going away.

Some jobs are going to be lost forever.

The options are, carry on as normal and watch the economy crash and burn, people slowly becomming ill, some dying.

Or,

Try to carry on with some restrictions, pray and hope we can keep levels down but still tbousands dying a becomming seriously ill with possible long term health issues.

Facts are,

Under lockdowns we are still seeing close to a thousand deaths per day and thousands infected. Thousands ill and thousands seriously ill.

Start to lift restrictions and that figure begins to rise.

We cant win, thus this virus which I believe came from a lab is doing its job, ending our civilization as we know it.

We still do not even know the long term effects for those recovered, are they immune from the virus, what damage it has already done to their bodies and so on.

Events are very stressful but this is not a civilisation ending event. It might take a while but we will get through this.

 

[cyberman]

Who wants to send the kids to school for 1 day per week starting in May?
Keep them closed and put our foot down on the virus throat until September

 

[One Night Only]

That would make some sense. Have a couple of classes with the same teachers for the same kids every day. You'd then limit any potential spread to isolated groups at a time. It could still get around families, but any form of lifting of restrictions is going to do that.

Yeah, also probably meals served into classrooms instead of a dining hall for now aswell, deep clean classrooms every night.

It's quite a good idea tbh, it's still risky, but not as risky as letting the entire school in for the same day. It's sort of contained still

 

[senorgregster]

Viral load not different in asymptomatic patients. Just bizarre.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20053157v1

On the 21st of February 2020 a resident of the municipality of Vo, a small town near Padua, died of pneumonia due to SARS-CoV-2 infection. This was the first COVID-19 death detected in Italy since the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 in the Chinese city of Wuhan, Hubei province. In response, the regional authorities imposed the lockdown of the whole municipality for 14 days. We collected information on the demography, clinical presentation, hospitalization, contact network and presence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in nasopharyngeal swabs for 85.9% and 71.5% of the population of Vo at two consecutive time points. On the first survey, which was conducted around the time the town lockdown started, we found a prevalence of infection of 2.6% (95% confidence interval (CI) 2.1-3.3%). On the second survey, which was conducted at the end of the lockdown, we found a prevalence of 1.2% (95% CI 0.8-1.8%). Notably, 43.2% (95% CI 32.2-54.7%) of the confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections detected across the two surveys were asymptomatic. The mean serial interval was 6.9 days (95% CI 2.6-13.4). We found no statistically significant difference in the viral load (as measured by genome equivalents inferred from cycle threshold data) of symptomatic versus asymptomatic infections (p-values 0.6 and 0.2 for E and RdRp genes, respectively, Exact Wilcoxon-Mann-Whitney test). Contact tracing of the newly infected cases and transmission chain reconstruction revealed that most new infections in the second survey were infected in the community before the lockdown or from asymptomatic infections living in the same household. This study sheds new light on the frequency of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and their infectivity (as measured by the viral load) and provides new insights into its transmission dynamics, the duration of viral load detectability and the efficacy of the implemented control measures

 

[One Night Only]

Who wants to send the kids to school for 1 day per week starting in May?
Keep them closed and put our foot down on the virus throat until September

I'd send them back, doesn't make a difference to me anyway as I'm a key worker, as is the Mrs, and by us being key workers and risking ourselves, we are also having to send them to school when we are working anyway, so putting the entire family at risk tbh.

 

[Zexstream]

Events are very stressful but this is not a civilisation ending event. It might take a while but we will get through this.

Nobody knows, but lets look at the facts.

Lockdown or no lockdown, people are fying, people are getting seriously ill, some with long term health issues.

Even if you somehow get the virus there are no guarantees you wont catch it worse a 2nd time, or that you could be a carrier.

We are not going back to normal any time soon, some experts dont even believe we will ever create a vaccine.

Thus, our civilization as we know it has come to an end, can we rise and create a new civilization? Who knows, but the slow decay and crumbling of this one has begun.

 

[One Night Only]

Viral load not different in asymptomatic patients. Just bizarre.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20053157v1

On the 21st of February 2020 a resident of the municipality of Vo, a small town near Padua, died of pneumonia due to SARS-CoV-2 infection. This was the first COVID-19 death detected in Italy since the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 in the Chinese city of Wuhan, Hubei province. In response, the regional authorities imposed the lockdown of the whole municipality for 14 days. We collected information on the demography, clinical presentation, hospitalization, contact network and presence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in nasopharyngeal swabs for 85.9% and 71.5% of the population of Vo at two consecutive time points. On the first survey, which was conducted around the time the town lockdown started, we found a prevalence of infection of 2.6% (95% confidence interval (CI) 2.1-3.3%). On the second survey, which was conducted at the end of the lockdown, we found a prevalence of 1.2% (95% CI 0.8-1.8%). Notably, 43.2% (95% CI 32.2-54.7%) of the confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections detected across the two surveys were asymptomatic. The mean serial interval was 6.9 days (95% CI 2.6-13.4). We found no statistically significant difference in the viral load (as measured by genome equivalents inferred from cycle threshold data) of symptomatic versus asymptomatic infections (p-values 0.6 and 0.2 for E and RdRp genes, respectively, Exact Wilcoxon-Mann-Whitney test). Contact tracing of the newly infected cases and transmission chain reconstruction revealed that most new infections in the second survey were infected in the community before the lockdown or from asymptomatic infections living in the same household. This study sheds new light on the frequency of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and their infectivity (as measured by the viral load) and provides new insights into its transmission dynamics, the duration of viral load detectability and the efficacy of the implemented control measures

Too many big words for my little brain, what does this mean? Explain like I'm 5 please.

 

[Zexstream]

Yeah, also probably meals served into classrooms instead of a dining hall for now aswell, deep clean classrooms every night.

It's quite a good idea tbh, it's still risky, but not as risky as letting the entire school in for the same day. It's sort of contained still

Sure, kids especially young ones always practice safe hygiene, cough into their armpits or use tissue for their mucus.

They understand why we must keep 2 meters apart.

Ih wait, actually they all do the opposite of this.

I wonder what teachers are prepared to by the Guinea Pigs for this experiment!

 

[Ubik]

Nobody knows, but lets look at the facts.

Lockdown or no lockdown, people are fying, people are getting seriously ill, some with long term health issues.

Even if you somehow get the virus there are no guarantees you wont catch it worse a 2nd time, or that you could be a carrier.

We are not going back to normal any time soon, some experts dont even believe we will ever create a vaccine.

Thus, our civilization as we know it has come to an end, can we rise and create a new civilization? Who knows, but the slow decay and crumbling of this one has begun.

That's not what civilisation means.

 

[One Night Only]

Nobody knows, but lets look at the facts.

Lockdown or no lockdown, people are fying, people are getting seriously ill, some with long term health issues.

Even if you somehow get the virus there are no guarantees you wont catch it worse a 2nd time, or that you could be a carrier.

We are not going back to normal any time soon, some experts dont even believe we will ever create a vaccine.

Thus, our civilization as we know it has come to an end, can we rise and create a new civilization? Who knows, but the slow decay and crumbling of this one has begun.

You think we are in a movie the way you're going on. Take it "The last of us" is your favourite PlayStation game?

 

[Dancfc]

Nobody knows, but lets look at the facts.

Lockdown or no lockdown, people are fying, people are getting seriously ill, some with long term health issues.

Even if you somehow get the virus there are no guarantees you wont catch it worse a 2nd time, or that you could be a carrier.

We are not going back to normal any time soon, some experts dont even believe we will ever create a vaccine.

Thus, our civilization as we know it has come to an end, can we rise and create a new civilization? Who knows, but the slow decay and crumbling of this one has begun.

What a ridiculous scaremongering post.

This is why I'm genuinely worried about Martial Law, some people are so easy to manipulate it's untrue.

 

[Zexstream]

I'd send them back, doesn't make a difference to me anyway as I'm a key worker, as is the Mrs, and by us being key workers and risking ourselves, we are also having to send them to school when we are working anyway, so putting the entire family at risk tbh.

Being a key worker means you have a higher risk of catching the virus, also means your kids have a higher risk of carrying and spreading the virus.

Sure, sounds like a great idea, send them to school.

 

[Zexstream]

That's not what civilisation means.

You are confusing extinction and civilization.

The Roman Empire was a civilization and that collapsed putting us into the Dark Ages until we rose again.

 

[senorgregster]

Too many big words for my little brain, what does this mean? Explain like I'm 5 please.

The number of civid19 virus particles is equal in patients who are very sick and those who are unaware they are sick.

 

[One Night Only]

Being a key worker means you have a higher risk of catching the virus, also means your kids have a higher risk of carrying and spreading the virus.

Sure, sounds like a great idea, send them to school.

All your ideas sound amazing, keep everyone at home forever, nobody eat, work, produce electricity, water, gas, and just die in our own shit and piss in our homes.

Guessing it's all because of 5G?

 

[Zexstream]

We need to make a wall with posts like this for all of those who want to lockdown until a vaccine is available.

And imagine how much this would happen after, say, six months of lockdown. Exponential growth.

A real lockdown would burn this virus out.

 

[One Night Only]

Being a key worker means you have a higher risk of catching the virus, also means your kids have a higher risk of carrying and spreading the virus.

Sure, sounds like a great idea, send them to school.

Also, what choice do I have but to send my kids to school when I have to goto work to produce the food to feed people to you know, keep them alive.

 

[Balljy]

Being a key worker means you have a higher risk of catching the virus, also means your kids have a higher risk of carrying and spreading the virus.

Sure, sounds like a great idea, send them to school.

Where are they supposed to go considering key workers are required to......work?

 

[senorgregster]

Sure, kids especially young ones always practice safe hygiene, cough into their armpits or use tissue for their mucus.

They understand why we must keep 2 meters alart.

Ih wait, actually they all do the opposite of this.

I wonder what teachers are prepared to by the Guinea Pigs for this experiment!

You could probably describe professional footballers the same way and we are trying to get them playing again. Tapping elbows at kickoff, kissing each other every goal.

 

[Zexstream]

You think we are in a movie the way you're going on. Take it "The last of us" is your favourite PlayStation game?

No its real life.

People are dying, people are getting sick, we have no cure, no idea about this virus.

Sure, lets open up and roll a dice.

 

[acnumber9]

Yep, it was incredibly apparent early on that the Government weren't doing all that it could do to minimise the spread of this early on - whether to try and keep the nation calm, or whether because Boris truly is as much of a buffoon as I think he is, it doesn't really matter at this point.
It's unforgivable.

I’d be pretty sure the answer is they didn’t want to spend the money when they wouldn’t have got any credit for it. Spending it now for furlough generates positive headlines for them.

 

[Zexstream]

What a ridiculous scaremongering post.

This is why I'm genuinely worried about Martial Law, some people are so easy to manipulate it's untrue.

Which part is not true or fact?

 

[One Night Only]

The number of civid19 virus particles is equal in patients who are very sick and those who are unaware they are sick.

I always thought this was the case anyway, it doesn't make much different to us does it? Or does it make it easier to work on a vaccine?