I'm not marauding the streets, so I have no idea.How often are you actively being stopped?
I'm not marauding the streets, so I have no idea.How often are you actively being stopped?
Remember these are only the ones that make it to hospital for testing.UK cases at 2626, up from 1950 yesterday
Oooof.Will no one think of the sheep? Is there a social distancing plan for that?
That is not true though is it.I completely disagree. As not really a BoJo fan he has come across very well so far in his statements and is following the best scientific advice he's being given.
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The polling (of a few days ago) would seem to suggest the majority think the government is doing a good job :http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10133I completely disagree. As not really a BoJo fan he has come across very well so far in his statements and is following the best scientific advice he's being given.
Why is the editor of the Lancet in possession of the gospel truth? Have a read of the study the government are going off:That is not true though is it.
Don't take my word for it. This is the editor of The Lancet
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Yet people on here keep defending their approach. It’s laughable. Or it would be if it wasn’t so galling.The Uk's response has been appalling.
I think I read earlier than in Ireland we've done 5 or 6 x times the testing per capita as the UK.
How is that even possible?
Honestly I'm amazed, your government continues to do such an awful job with everything that it always seems to make our government look really competent in comparison.
Because he published a projection of deaths weeks ago following the model johnson chose. It says so right there in the tweet.Why is the editor of the Lancet in possession of the gospel truth? Have a read of the study the government are going off:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
What is the point in testing everybody with a mild form of the disease. We have bigger things to worry about than having someone with a mild cough testing positive. Treat the people and test the people who have a more serious form of the disease.Yet people on here keep defending their approach. It’s laughable. Or it would be if it wasn’t so galling.
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They’ll close schools tonight after saying only last Thursday this was a measure that had to be taken at the ‘right’ time. That’s a period of 6 days. There is no plan. Making it up as they go along. Vallance is clueless and Boris is an absolute clown.Yet people on here keep defending their approach. It’s laughable. Or it would be if it wasn’t so galling.
How do you know you can go back to work if you are not tested?What is the point in testing everybody with a mild form of the disease. We have bigger things to worry about than having someone with a mild cough testing positive. Treat the people and test the people who have a more serious form of the disease.
And the frontline NHS workers so that they can work. These guys probably need to be tested on an ongoing basis.What is the point in testing everybody with a mild form of the disease. We have bigger things to worry about than having someone with a mild cough testing positive. Treat the people and test the people who have a more serious form of the disease.
Ireland: population 4.9m, tests 6636, one test per 738.4 people.The Uk's response has been appalling.
I think I read earlier than in Ireland we've done 5 or 6 x times the testing per capita as the UK.
How is that even possible?
Honestly I'm amazed, your government continues to do such an awful job with everything that it always seems to make our government look really competent in comparison.
I thought that Jeremy Corbyn did an excellent job in pushing Boris to commit to vastly improved SSP. We will see what the government response is.Anyone watch PMQ’s? What was your verdict if so?
He didn't say that:Wasn’t Boris just a week ago saying the people of the UK should “take it on the chin”?
You can’t genuinely change attitudes that quickly. It’s deeply concerning the government approach and it’s being ridiculed across the world.
Because you can’t fight this blindfolded. You need to know who’s infected/who’s been infected.What is the point in testing everybody with a mild form of the disease. We have bigger things to worry about than having someone with a mild cough testing positive. Treat the people and test the people who have a more serious form of the disease.
Pretty much.They’ll close schools tonight after saying only last Thursday this was a measure that had to be taken at the ‘right’ time. That’s a period of 6 days. There is no plan. Making it up as they go along. Vallance is clueless and Boris is an absolute clown.
Because you can’t fight this blindfolded. You need to know who’s infected/who’s been infected.
because those that are infected carry an immunity and cant be infected again and cant infect other peopleWhy do we need to know who has been infected? That seems like a waste of time and resources.
I think this is part of the behavioural play which, rightly or wrongly, seems to be forming a big part of the response. I imagine the belief is that the majority will abide while a minority will resist. They will then have the support from the majority when the more draconian measures come into play, as the majority will have seen that the measures necessary to enforce the curfew.The UK government really hasn't done as badly as the hyperbole in here would suggest. Regardless of politics, the plan is obviously being driven by dynamic, changing statistics on the advics of science advisors or they wouldn't have u-turned so hard.
I do wish the lockdowns and closures were enforced and not advisory though. I think it's madness to rely on the general public to do the right thing.
It would be beneficial if we new what the rate of reinfection was, I mean if the chances of getting it again in the same season was small these people would not need to lock down.Why do we need to know who has been infected? That seems like a waste of time and resources.
We just don't have the testing capacity at the moment for that to be a priority. 1 test does not equal one person forever, NHS workers may have 10 tests each over the course of the next few months.because those that are infected carry an immunity and cant be infected again and cant infect other people
Seems pretty important to me - for example people taking food etc to those in quarantine it would be good to know somebody is not a risk?
Equally once we know who has been infected you can also test to find the antibodies their immune system has produced and see if this can be a short cut to a cure / vaccine
The Uk's response has been appalling.
I think I read earlier than in Ireland we've done 5 or 6 x times the testing per capita as the UK.
How is that even possible?
Honestly I'm amazed, your government continues to do such an awful job with everything that it always seems to make our government look really competent in comparison.
Those stats were in the past week only. The UK is one of the top of testers per capita in Europe. Ireland was behind the UK and may not even be in front of the UK yet. I believe Ireland have also been doing these quick tests recently that some experts think are too unreliable anyway.Yet people on here keep defending their approach. It’s laughable. Or it would be if it wasn’t so galling.
There is also talk of an absolute ban on going outside akin to Wuhan as not enough people are respecting the current self quarantine measures.Our mathematical models for predicting the trend of the epidemic are precise, they are not wrong, we know what the evolution will be from here to 15 days and beyond, and they predict a peak on April 15th, after which the positive numbers are expected to drop until early May. But in April we will have a critical rate of occupation of intensive care units.
They deserve to be applauded for how well they've done so far.https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/...eak-insights-leading-expert-prof-yik-ying-teo
I've just watched this over lunch. It's a great lecture on a system level response to COVID-19 in Singapore by Prof Yik-Ying Teo, who is the second Dean of the Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health at the National University of Singapore, which took place at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine last week.
It's pretty clear that they have another level of preparedness for this sort of thing, but they are a very different country geographically and in terms of size.
Has this been actually proven though, I am on the same page as you but I don't think they know that this virus is like chicken pox and mumps. I know I have read that people who have apparently recovered have relapsed.because those that are infected carry an immunity and cant be infected again and cant infect other people
Seems pretty important to me - for example people taking food etc to those in quarantine it would be good to know somebody is not a risk?
Equally once we know who has been infected you can also test to find the antibodies their immune system has produced and see if this can be a short cut to a cure / vaccine
It's exactly the same here. The form we have to complete is long and official (Italy at its finest), and you have to sign to say you're aware of the law and the penalties for breaking it. I need petrol, I can't get that in our village so I'm going to have to venture further very soon.We have only five legal reasons to leave the house: Go to work, go to groceries stores, for medical reasons, for family emergencies and to walk dogs or individual physical activities.
When we go out we need to fill an attestation with the reason for breaking the lockdown, our name, birthdate and address. There is an other form that is given by your employer attesting that you work for him.
Probably logistically easier for a country of 4-5 million.The Uk's response has been appalling.
I think I read earlier than in Ireland we've done 5 or 6 x times the testing per capita as the UK.
How is that even possible?
Honestly I'm amazed, your government continues to do such an awful job with everything that it always seems to make our government look really competent in comparison.
This is apparently very rare (perhaps in people who were already immuno-suppressed, but still managed to recover), all the evidence suggests you get at least seasonal immunity.Has this been actually proven though, I am on the same page as you but I don't think they know that this virus is like chicken pox and mumps. I know I have read that people who have apparently recovered have relapsed.
Boris Johnson: Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance
Just read the whole thing rather than quoting a little bit of it.Boris Johnson: Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance
So, just take it on the chin a little bit?
It’s also looking possible that they have the perfect climate to contain the virus.They deserve to be applauded for how well they've done so far.
But you're right that we can't extrapolate too much from them. Singapore is a tiny island nation of 5.6 million people, with a land area that's only 57% the size of Greater Manchester.
my understanding (and it is of course a fluid picture) was that there was an immunity developed by those that had caught itHas this been actually proven though, I am on the same page as you but I don't think they know that this virus is like chicken pox and mumps. I know I have read that people who have apparently recovered have relapsed.
The company should be fined for idiocy.https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/...pany-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments
Medical company threatens to sue volunteers that 3D-printed valves for life-saving coronavirus treatments
The valve typically costs about $11,000 — the volunteers made them for about $1