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Last Man Standing finalist 2019/20
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You might want to pop in to my alcoholic thread.I have so many things I would like to post but I do not post them
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Without testing and appropriate isolation I don't see how May works. Even from just from the view of public confidence. Then start considering the vulnerable. It's going to be a mess.Am I alone in thinking that may is far too soon to lift the lockdown? France and Spain are just asking for a second spike at this point, or is there data to suggest that enough people have been infected and are now immune?
He is a historicist I'd say. Most Christians think apocalyptic literature like Revelations is allegorical - symbolic of a struggle between good and evil. Historicists vary but many think it is predictive of future events. They also like the number 7 a great deal. And the 4th Horseman of the apocalypse is means to be death/plague. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicist_interpretations_of_the_Book_of_RevelationYou've stated that their is great similarity to the current situation and Revelations, with it being impossible to deny. Can you not give us a couple of points as to why you think they're linked? From memory, I can't think of anything even a little identifiable, but I can't remember it at all so I'm genuinely curious.
Well....Am I alone in thinking that may is far too soon to lift the lockdown? France and Spain are just asking for a second spike at this point, or is there data to suggest that enough people have been infected and are now immune?
Going to be some difficult conversations to be had.Then start considering the vulnerable. It's going to be a mess.
Seems like he knows a guy...Bit mad that a professional fighter/amateur cokehead seems to have no problem importing a shitload of PPE while the governments struggle.
When you pump fear into a public it's almost possible to extract.Without testing and appropriate isolation I don't see how May works. Even from just from the view of public confidence. Then start considering the vulnerable. It's going to be a mess.
We've started. It's not fun.Going to be some difficult conversations to be had.
Consider family visits as well and how to handle.When you pump fear into a public it's almost possible to extract.
The elderly and vulnerable are going to have to make choice this year. They are either going to have to isolate completely or take the mortal risk of exiting their home. As we're not locking down until we get a vaccine.
So we are just going to sacrifice the old and vulnerable.When you pump fear into a public it's almost possible to extract.
The elderly and vulnerable are going to have to make choice this year. They are either going to have to isolate completely or take the mortal risk of exiting their home. As we're not locking down until we get a vaccine.
I don't disagree but the point about low pay in the care home scenario is that these workers end up being in a multiple facilities, which increases the likelihood that COIVD19 will enter multiple facilities.Lack of pay and other benefits seems to be a problem across industries at the moment. Its hard to see a compelling reason for someone stacking shelves in a supermarket to go into work with no protection at the moment beyond financial desperation. Same for warehouse workers, public bus drivers, even nurses. They dont get paid anywhere near enough relative to the risks they're taking to keep us from all sorts of nightmare scenarios. Large parts of our necessities are built on poverty and desperation which doesn't strike me as a particularly stable system
It's back to where we were a few months ago. Awful, especially in the states.So we are just going to sacrifice the old and vulnerable.
NOT THE SOCIETY i want to be part off.
And imagine all those who dont know they have underlying medical conditions.It's back to where we were a few months ago. Awful, especially in the states.
Nonsense of a stat.Lifting the lockdowns now will only give us short term gain and make things worse long term.
Of all those currently infected in the world only 25% have recovered!
Some 25 percent of coronavirus patients worldwide have become better, according to the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering live tracker.
The tracker shows that of the 2,167,955 confirmed cases around the globe, 146,055 have died while 550,987 recovered.
That leaves 1,470,913 - or 67 percent - still sick.
That also means 6.7 percent of patients have died from the virus.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...ve-recovered-from-coronavirus-news-latest/amp
So you want full lockdown until we get a vaccine?So we are just going to sacrifice the old and vulnerable.
NOT THE SOCIETY i want to be part off.
There is far too many people out there with the attitude that it will never happen to me and they will only understand it when someone dies because of them or they die themselvesIt's back to where we were a few months ago. Awful, especially in the states.
WHO have already said there is no indication that those previously infected have immunity from this. Whose to say a 2nd infection wont be worse!Nonsense of a stat.
Take the UK. We've no idea how many people in the UK have actually had the virus because the majority of people who get the virus don't get sick enough to require hospital treatment so don't get tested.
Engage your brain for Christ sake.
You didn't reply to my post, on why this time is different (the sign which is the vaccine) compared to the smallpox vaccine where everyone got vaccinated?I am not going to try come back on this, for I have already said my piece.
I want a fulllock down until the lives of the public can be protected.So you want full lockdown until we get a vaccine?
That's an admirable intention but it's a folly to seriously believe in.
So how about we grow up? Then talk about a sensible exit plan that'll protect the old and vulnerable?
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I think it is just WHO being cautious after repeatedly fecking up earlier. There is a lot of indication that people who have got infected will have some immunity (at least short to mid-term).WHO have already said there is no indication that those previously infected have immunity from this. Whose to say a 2nd infection wont be worse!
Are you prepared to be a Guinea pig?
it's a nightmare.Consider family visits as well and how to handle.
Sorry, are you suggesting WHO have it wrong and you know better?I think it is just WHO being cautious after repeatedly fecking up earlier. There is a lot of indication that people who have got infected will have some immunity (at least short to mid-term).
We're all Guinea pigs.WHO have already said there is no indication that those previously infected have immunity from this. Whose to say a 2nd infection wont be worse!
Are you prepared to be a Guinea pig?
An admirable but criminally naive positionI want a fulllock down until the lives of the public can be protected.
Anything else is wrong.
We also dont know who the vulnerable are, who knows if they havevunderlying medical conditions?
Even A cut in your finger puts pressure on your immune system!
A gradual loosening of restrictions may be possible but certainly not now. Otherwise you will be back to square one and have to fully lock down again. Especially in countries like the US and UK who have done such a bad job to date.So you want full lockdown until we get a vaccine?
That's an admirable intention but it's a folly to seriously believe in.
So how about we grow up? Then talk about a sensible exit plan that'll protect the old and vulnerable?
More or less. Same as when I suggested that using masks actually helps. Or banning people from travelling from hot zones helps (two common sense things that WHO categorically denied).Sorry, are you suggesting WHO have it wrong and you know better?
The economy will suffer more when inevitably we see a 2nd spike which has the potential to be worse.We're all Guinea pigs.
This is a brand new virus and experts are flummoxed. We're all flying blind here.
An admirable but criminally naive position
We're not locking down until we get a vaccine. So go upstairs. Hunt for your grown up pants. The take part in the conversation about how we reach the optimal middle ground between lockdown and vaccine.
The economy simply cannot cope with a full lockdown until we get a vaccine. Get over it.
I'm not saying now. The UK is in lockdown for the three weeks at least.A gradual loosening of restrictions may be possible but certainly not now. Otherwise you will be back to square one and have to fully lock down again. Especially in countries like the US and UK who have done such a bad job to date.
There is lots of evidence that antibodies are produced that will give immunity. How long that immunity will last is unknown and can be quite variable with viruses. I'd say WHO are just being cautious because people think it is a given that we can make a vaccine.Sorry, are you suggesting WHO have it wrong and you know better?
What are your qualifications to make such assumptions.More or less. Same as when I suggested that using masks actually helps. Or banning people from travelling from hot zones helps (two common sense things that WHO categorically denied).
But being more serious and more precise, the closest disease to this has been SARS, and the antibodies remained in infected people for around 3 years. For MERS (another novel coronavirus, the next most similar thing to this), the antibodies were detected for around one year. For human coronaviruses, the antibodies get detected from a few months to a few years after the infection. So, there is plenty to suggest that there will be some immunity.
When WHO is being cautious what they are really saying is that 'there is no definite proof that the antibodies will stay for some time for everyone - cause you know, there has not bee some time since people get infected and healed - and even if that is the case, we do not know for how long they will be effective'. Nevertheless, Chinese studies showed around 70-80% of healed patients had enough antibodies after being healed (though obviously there are still some unknowns). However, with this behaving similar to SARS, I guess it is likely that we will have some immunity after infection, though it might not be for a long time, and almost certainly won't be lifelong immunity.
They are the experts not you, why should we now ignore the experts?There is lots of evidence that antibodies are produced that will give immunity. How long that immunity will last is unknown and can be quite variable with viruses. I'd say WHO are just being cautious because people think it is a given that we can make a vaccine.
The down side is that discussing it makes it seem imminent, which it shouldn't be. The up side is it gives people a view of the other side. A couple of months more at a minimum in the hardest hit countries isn't unlikely.I'm not saying now. The UK is in lockdown for the three weeks at least.
However, no serious person believes that the UK can stay languishing in our current state indefinitely.
So we need to be grown and discuss what's next.
It's really not that hard.
Listen, I'm not advocating going back to normal in three weeks.The economy will suffer more when inevitably we see a 2nd spike which has the potential to be worse.
We know nothing about this virus, taking a leap of faith and hopping for the best is foolish.
How do you think people are getting better if there aren't any antibodies produced in response to infection?What are your qualifications to make such assumptions.
Im sorry, but id rather take advice from the experts, who right now say there is no evidence to support any immunity to the virus.
I am not advocating for removing lockdowns. But there is lots of evidence that antibodies are produced that produce an immune response. That makes it likely, but not certain, that a vaccine can be made that will give us immunity for an undetermined period.They are the experts not you, why should we now ignore the experts?
Too many iffs, maybes etc
This is why its foolish to remove any lockdowns until we know more.
Only 25% of those infected have recovered though, now we are seeing 2nd infections of those who recovered.How do you think people are getting better if there aren't any antibodies produced in response to infection?
Have you read what did the experts say, or you are going by belief cause of authority?What are your qualifications to make such assumptions.
Im sorry, but id rather take advice from the experts, who right now say there is no evidence to support any immunity to the virus.