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Useless cnut can't even show up to his own press conference on time.
This exactly, using the half term would of been the perfect time to have a circuit breaker because the half term was obviously going to be an increase in spread.He’s even scuffed the economic argument. Listening to scientific advice meant the country will have only had to endure a couple weeks lockdown during a school half term which would have saved lives AND cushioned a further blow to the economy. Now he’s having to belatedly implement a longer lockdown which will only further exacerbate our economic woes.
This inept government should absolutely be held culpable.
Held culpable to what measure? Seriously, do you think any government would do anything massively different? As far as I can see each country is facing similar situations and as far as I can see each country is resorting to similar actions and as far as I can see outcomes are pretty similar everywhere.This inept government should absolutely be held culpable.
so that do you propose?Another fecking lockdown what a joke. Absolutely killing people's livelihoods. I don't doubt that this virus is horrible and killing lots of people but there's plenty of other illnesses and conditions that kill people too. We can't just keep shutting everything down, people are going to be broke and out on the street if this carries on.
How can you say that?! It's been a disaster. The track and trace is shit, that's on them because Boris Johnson has given jobs to the boys and the person in charge is married to a Tory mp and has a track record of failures in other companies.Held culpable to what measure? Seriously, do you think any government would do anything massively different? As far as I can see each country is facing similar situations and as far as I can see each country is resorting to similar actions and as far as I can see outcomes are pretty similar everywhere.
I know it’s easy to throw everything at those in charge but the responsibility to stop this massive surge in transmissions, in my view anyway, stop with us, the populace.
We’ve known how to reduce the spread since April, and it seems to me like large parts of our population have been so eager to live their lives normally that we find ourselves in this mess. I certainly don’t blame the government in isolation for this mess, most of my blame falls at the feet of idiots who just can’t understand the severity of the pandemic and the sacrifices we all will have to make for the next few months. I’m fine with it.
It was supposed to be 4pm. Then moved to 5pm and now 6.30pm.Has there been an announcement yet or will there be?
You have the same access to the data that I do. It's just google. We know when countries re-opened their schools, we know when peaks in transmission happened, and we know when those two things didn't align. Just from two google searches per country. If you really wanted the answer to the question rather than trying to make a point, you'd be better off just googling these things for your own peace of mind. Instead it looks like you're only googling evidence that fits the narrative you want to put out there. But sure I'll pull up some numbers.What countries are they?
Pages 13-15 here, Geebs. The scientists aren't saying different things, they are just being misrepresented. You don't need to trust my words or his words, the advisers laid it out incredibly thoroughly there. The views from NI's expert are entirely consistent with the consensus that older teenagers in secondary school are more likely to spread it than young kids in primary school, and that there is no evidence that schools are hotbeds of transmission.The annoying thing is that scientists and researchers are always contradicting each other constantly. It’s hard to know really who is right and who is wrong. On that basis I have a small amount of empathy for governments.
Test and trace needs to be given a massive kick up the backside. That won't solve everything but everyone's known it can be reasonably effective since mid June and they still can't get the system right.so that do you propose?
Unless UK population are willing to undergo severe loss of freedoms for 2 months with Wuhan style lockdown, then national lockdowns will remain a permanent feature of of UK life until we have mass vaccination.
Thank you!Closing retailers is just going to guarantee that people are going to queue up more come December when these stores reopen for Xmas shopping.
It was supposed to be 4pm. Then moved to 5pm and now 6.30pm.
Boris and Government were to blame for total inaction during January and February which cost UK 1000s of innocent deaths and massive impact on economy. Then we had Cummings.Held culpable to what measure? Seriously, do you think any government would do anything massively different? As far as I can see each country is facing similar situations and as far as I can see each country is resorting to similar actions and as far as I can see outcomes are pretty similar everywhere.
I know it’s easy to throw everything at those in charge but the responsibility to stop this massive surge in transmissions, in my view anyway, stop with us, the populace.
We’ve known how to reduce the spread since April, and it seems to me like large parts of our population have been so eager to live their lives normally that we find ourselves in this mess. I certainly don’t blame the government in isolation for this mess, most of my blame falls at the feet of idiots who just can’t understand the severity of the pandemic and the sacrifices we all will have to make for the next few months. I’m fine with it.
Other countries have acted earlier and more firmly - pretty much more consistently since this pandemic took flight back in Spring. Its the constant dithering, and bizarre marginalisation of scientific consensus that has led to us having one of the highest death rates in the world. We had the chance to lockdown earlier and more briefly a few months ago (again, as per strong scientific advice), but of course the government dithered and dismissed it,Held culpable to what measure? Seriously, do you think any government would do anything massively different? As far as I can see each country is facing similar situations and as far as I can see each country is resorting to similar actions and as far as I can see outcomes are pretty similar everywhere.
I know it’s easy to throw everything at those in charge but the responsibility to stop this massive surge in transmissions, in my view anyway, stop with us, the populace.
We’ve known how to reduce the spread since April, and it seems to me like large parts of our population have been so eager to live their lives normally that we find ourselves in this mess. I certainly don’t blame the government in isolation for this mess, most of my blame falls at the feet of idiots who just can’t understand the severity of the pandemic and the sacrifices we all will have to make for the next few months. I’m fine with it.
Many more doctors will die in next 2 monthsIt sucks but if the numbers keep getting higher and higher it'll be a catastrophe on the health service. You have only have to read how doctors struggled with the first wave and the physical and mental impact it had on them.
Those who are vulnerable and want to shield continue to do so and the rest take our chances and try to get on with our lives. Continue to be sensible with mask wearing/social distancing. Lockdowns just delay. I know so many people who have lost their jobs, this is such a desperate situation. Every day there are risks, if this is all over you could walk out in front of a bus and it kills you, sorry to be so morbid and if I sound callous but everyone has to die of something.so that do you propose?
Unless UK population are willing to undergo severe loss of freedoms for 2 months with Wuhan style lockdown, then national lockdowns will remain a permanent feature of of UK life until we have mass vaccination.
How's South Korea coping? Taiwan seems to be doing ok. Japan doesn't seem that badly affected.Held culpable to what measure? Seriously, do you think any government would do anything massively different? As far as I can see each country is facing similar situations and as far as I can see each country is resorting to similar actions and as far as I can see outcomes are pretty similar everywhere.
I know it’s easy to throw everything at those in charge but the responsibility to stop this massive surge in transmissions, in my view anyway, stop with us, the populace.
We’ve known how to reduce the spread since April, and it seems to me like large parts of our population have been so eager to live their lives normally that we find ourselves in this mess. I certainly don’t blame the government in isolation for this mess, most of my blame falls at the feet of idiots who just can’t understand the severity of the pandemic and the sacrifices we all will have to make for the next few months. I’m fine with it.
There literally has never been anything in your lifetime that is as dangerous and spreads as quickly as this, nor has there been any illness that killed more people in a single month than covid in April...while we were in lockdown. It isn't comparable to your chance of getting hit by a bus.Another fecking lockdown what a joke. Absolutely killing people's livelihoods. I don't doubt that this virus is horrible and killing lots of people but there's plenty of other illnesses and conditions that kill people too. We can't just keep shutting everything down, people are going to be broke and out on the street if this carries on.
Profiting off the Pandemic, corruption check.Held culpable to what measure? Seriously, do you think any government would do anything massively different? As far as I can see each country is facing similar situations and as far as I can see each country is resorting to similar actions and as far as I can see outcomes are pretty similar everywhere.
I know it’s easy to throw everything at those in charge but the responsibility to stop this massive surge in transmissions, in my view anyway, stop with us, the populace.
We’ve known how to reduce the spread since April, and it seems to me like large parts of our population have been so eager to live their lives normally that we find ourselves in this mess. I certainly don’t blame the government in isolation for this mess, most of my blame falls at the feet of idiots who just can’t understand the severity of the pandemic and the sacrifices we all will have to make for the next few months. I’m fine with it.
How can you say that?! It's been a disaster. The track and trace is shit, that's on them because Boris Johnson has given jobs to the boys and the person in charge is married to a Tory mp and has a track record of failures in other companies.
In none of my posts have I denied that aspects of our governments action or inaction have been great. Far from it. Just annoys me that people are so eager to condemn the government for the situation we’re in when it is us, the people, who are spreading this virus so freely by looking for ways to beat restrictions, looking to carry on as normal when we all know what Covid is and we all know what is necessary to stem the rise in infection. If everyone everywhere had been doing these things the virus wouldn’t be spiralling out of control, nothing to do with Tory governance.Boris and Government were to blame for total inaction during January and February which cost UK 1000s of innocent deaths and massive impact on economy. Every decision since has been negatively impacted because of that. But Tories think Boris, Rishi and HealthCock did well.
Even now, it seems like taking the circuit breaker during half term could have lessened impact, but we are now facing a month lockdown instead.
Last I checked, hundreds of people don't die everyday in this country from bus collisions.Those who are vulnerable and want to shield continue to do so and the rest take our chances and try to get on with our lives. Continue to be sensible with mask wearing/social distancing. Lockdowns just delay. I know so many people who have lost their jobs, this is such a desperate situation. Every day there are risks, if this is all over you could walk out in front of a bus and it kills you, sorry to be so morbid and if I sound callous but everyone has to die of something.
What's your solution to this then? Have you been under threat of redundancy in your job? I'm sure your mindset will shift somewhat if it was.There literally has never been anything in your lifetime that is as dangerous and spreads as quickly as this, nor has there been any illness that killed more people in a single month than covid in April...while we were in lockdown. It isn't comparable to your chance of getting hit by a bus.
I agree, but it is up to us to do what we know, and have known all year and it just seems we are unable or unwilling to do it.Profiting off the Pandemic, corruption check.
One rule for us, another for them, check.
Reacting rather than proactive, check
Ignoring scientific advice, check
Yes it's an impossible situation but the government have been incredibly incompetent.
Governments all around the world are struggling and the tories have definetly made the odd good decision but it's always fell short.
Trying to find that twitter guy who does the a week in tory.. that is enough to make you want to thump a wall.
I'm fairly confident Dominic Cummings is calling the shots anyway. Johnson is just a puppet.It’s easy to blame those in charge but while I agree that these decisions could cost lives, you also have to understand that for every voice shouting in Boris’s ear concerning lives, there are just as many shouting about the economy and livelihoods. It can’t be easy and as far as I can see most leaders are struggling also. It must be like trying to hold water.
A segment of British people are just too selfish and cant be trusted for your strategy to work.Those who are vulnerable and want to shield continue to do so and the rest take our chances and try to get on with our lives. Continue to be sensible with mask wearing/social distancing. Lockdowns just delay. I know so many people who have lost their jobs, this is such a desperate situation. Every day there are risks, if this is all over you could walk out in front of a bus and it kills you, sorry to be so morbid and if I sound callous but everyone has to die of something.
Ok well what's your solution to this then? Have you been at risk of redundancy and witnessed the impact this has on people's mental wellbeing?A segment of British people are just too selfish and cant be trusted for your strategy to work.
And yes, your last line reads as extremely callous.
You’re the one making the point. Back it up.You have the same access to the data that I do. It's just google. We know when countries re-opened their schools, we know when peaks in transmission happened, and we know when those two things didn't align. Just from two google searches per country. If you really wanted the answer to the question rather than trying to make a point, you'd be better off just googling these things for your own peace of mind. Instead it looks like you're only googling evidence that fits the narrative you want to put out there. But sure I'll pull up some numbers.
To pick up on your point about the scientific assessment from NI, I think it's worth clarifying a couple of things. They didn't say that closing schools would reduce the R rate by 0.5. They said it oould be as low as 0.2, or as high as 0.5. They gave a more confident prediction that secondary schools would a) be more likely to spread the virus, and b) be around 0.35. So if secondary schools are more likely to spread it, and their best estimate is 0.35 for them, then we can safely assume their estimate for primary schools is closer to 0.2. Very possibly lower. They also said in the same document that overall the assessment is provided with "low confidence, as unclear how much schools may contribute to community transmission." and other measures related to education are "low confidence, as remains unclear how infectious children may be." And their modelling on education settings was based on influenza, because as they said repeatedly, they haven't got any clear evidence on covid spreading in classrooms. Despite the fact that you believe it to be an obvious driver of this second wave, they can't find the evidence for it at all.
Pages 13-15 here, Geebs. The scientists aren't saying different things, they are just being misrepresented. You don't need to trust my words or his words, the advisers laid it out incredibly thoroughly there. The views from NI's expert are entirely consistent with the consensus that older teenagers in secondary school are more likely to spread it than young kids in primary school, and that there is no evidence that schools are hotbeds of transmission.
Again, all of that doesn’t matter in a way. We all know what Covid is, how it works, how it spreads and how we can stop it but all year I’ve seen idiots either fighting it, ignoring it or denying it. Now look where we are.I'm fairly confident Dominic Cummings is calling the shots anyway. Johnson is just a puppet.
Government should be doing better to help out these businesses that are forced to close and more importantly the people that work there. They spent 12 billion on a dud track and trace system.What's your solution to this then? Have you been under threat of redundancy in your job? I'm sure your mindset will shift somewhat if it was.
I think you're right. That's why they didn't sack him.I'm fairly confident Dominic Cummings is calling the shots anyway. Johnson is just a puppet.
I think during a global pandemic it is a fairly safe bet to listen to your scientists!I didn’t actually imply anything, just wondered why you think the majority wouldn’t support a lockdown.
And nor did I say it was easy, quite the opposite. I certainly don’t envy the PM at this time.
That’s all well and good, but it feels a little wrong to me to tell the vulnerable to suck it up and hide away, especially when it inevitably will reach them anyway.Those who are vulnerable and want to shield continue to do so and the rest take our chances and try to get on with our lives. Continue to be sensible with mask wearing/social distancing. Lockdowns just delay. I know so many people who have lost their jobs, this is such a desperate situation. Every day there are risks, if this is all over you could walk out in front of a bus and it kills you, sorry to be so morbid and if I sound callous but everyone has to die of something.
He is right though. No evidence anywhere that under 12 year olds are a big problem. It has been told to you many times, but you just ignore it everytime and group all the school ages together.You’re the one making the point. Back it up.
It does matter, because he is not elected and is not a scientist.Again, all of that doesn’t matter in a way. We all know what Covid is, how it works, how it spreads and how we can stop it but all year I’ve seen idiots either fighting it, ignoring it or denying it. Now look where we are.
There isn't a solution. We're in a pandemic. Some problems can't be solved, just managed, and a series of bad outcomes weighed up.What's your solution to this then? Have you been under threat of redundancy in your job? I'm sure your mindset will shift somewhat if it was.
I went earlier, it was actually fairly quiet considering, but I’m in wales so might be different.Anyone been to a supermarket today? How was it?
Seems likely.I think you're right. That's why they didn't sack him.
On that certain gaming forum we also lounge on - a few people in there all saying it was like Christmas / empty shelves againAnyone been to a supermarket today? How was it?