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Boris stop kissing your own arse.
We've been able to come in the office to work but we've purposely all been working from home because my team handle all the remote learning tech and hardware (except the five robots in infrastructure who deal with our data center) so if WFH doesn't work for us then why would it work for anyone else?Work for an Academy trust as a IT Techie, I do 4 schools of various sizes, my colleague who is in the vulnerable group does 5.
Thinking back to after we came back from lockdown, we both had reduced schools, 2 days at 2 each, work from home day, later start/early finish times.
For teachers, obviously they only had 10 kids. The ones in vulnerable groups did planning for the ones teaching some from home, some used offices but didn't teach. all finished at 3:30 rather than average of 6. Think a lot of the teachers loved it. Smaller classes, less stress.
Curious to see if they make changes to how things are, already shortstaffed and the bubbles aren't feasible when some staff are having to cover multiple classes.
Doubt they'll let the vulnerable to refrain from teaching as it just wouldn't be possible staff wise.
It is not good. Winter was always going to be the real test. Always the worse time for respiratory illness so more measures should have been in place to minimise the impact.Yep! We have to protect the beds, we cannot afford to be overwhelmed and as you point out we can’t be in a position where we are choosing who lives and dies.
Such a scary time to be alive, I feel so awful for everyone, the old who have to shield and might not have contact with anyone, the young who’s social life will be suffering, people losing their jobs. Honestly it’s so depressing, the alternative is so much worse though, we can’t have hundreds of thousands of people dying.
The prices will be reduced further.I wonder if the House of Commons pub is going to be shut too.
Man, all you want to do is pick holes, rather than dealing with the essential point. As I understood it, your premise was that two weeks after schools re-open, just like clockwork, cases start to rise. They didn't in Belgium, they were completely steady 2 weeks later, they rose 4 weeks later. Perhaps I misunderstood and you weren't saying that a leads to b and they follow this time-sensitive pattern that unequivocally indicates that a caused b. It's the timing that really made it clear. As far as I understood, other people echoed that very same sentiment in this thread just today. If that was a misinterpretation, I'm happy to say so. I'm not here to pick holes, nor am I wedded to a position on the subject. I'm just looking at what the evidence says. The evidence that you say speaks for itself.Because Americans just carried on like normal for the most part perhaps? Are you just going to ignore the abosulte clusterfeck you made of your Belgian example? Sweden’s latest figures were 25 times the number of cases they had on September 1st. We have different definitions of steady. Writing a litany of paragraphs may fool some in to taking your opinion as gospel. Not for me.
The people with all the data told us that face masks made no difference. If you want to believe everything those with the data tell you that’s up to you.
Probably a mate of his who runs a vacuum cleaner business told him he could sort it.Rapid tests sound promising. Unfortunately these feckers have been totally useless to date with testing & I have zero confidence this will be any different.
Just delayed this long enough for many to be sacked firstFurlough will be extended to December
Your evidence was wrong though. Blatantly so. Two weeks is just a number because of the incubation period. If you want to stick to just 14 days though then Belgium had 5 times as many cases within that time period. The mistake I made was in not realising that a five fold increase is keeping cases steady.Man, all you want to do is pick holes, rather than dealing with the essential point. As I understood it, your premise was that two weeks after schools re-open, just like clockwork, cases start to rise. They didn't in Belgium, they were completely steady 2 weeks later, they rose 4 weeks later. Perhaps I misunderstood and you weren't saying that a leads to b and they follow this time-sensitive pattern that unequivocally indicates that a caused b. It's the timing that really made it clear. As far as I understood, other people echoed that very same sentiment in this thread just today. If that was a misinterpretation, I'm happy to say so. I'm not here to pick holes, nor am I wedded to a position on the subject. I'm just looking at what the evidence says. The evidence that you say speaks for itself.
Cases have risen in almost every major country in the last few months, Belgium included. Your premise is that schools are a key driver of that. The only way to test that theory is whether places have had exactly the same kind of spike without schools re-opening, and whether, weeks and weeks after schools re-opening, no such spike appeared in other places. I've just given some examples, they aren't exhaustive. If you're not willing to accept that those two things have already been demonstrated in other countries, fair enough, then we're not really having a discussion. You're just using me as a prop to repeat some propaganda. I'm happy enough knowing the evidence that you wanted was put out there plainly to see. People can make their own judgments.
Means us having to quarantine for two weeks when we get back is neither here nor there.
I'd be surprised if the xmas holidays don't end up being made longer.Close the schools ffs. Ridiculous. It’s obvious that transmission will continue there.
Unless you think they were an absolute solution that's a daft question. They could have slowed it substantially we don't really know.One thing that strikes me about this is does the mean that wearing masks had little affect? The vast majority have been wearing them here, but did they do any good?
I never thought they were an absolute solution. I expected something more substantial then this, though. The virus appears to be increasing at a faster rate then before mask were mandatory.Unless you think they were an absolute solution that's a daft question. They could have slowed it substantially we don't really know.
I wondered that the other day, so googled a bit. From what I read most transmission is amongst people comfortable with each other (homes, work, schools etc), and less so in say the supermarket. That said, at least in my area of manchester not everybody is wearing a mask properly at all. Maybe 60-70% are.One thing that strikes me about this is does the mean that wearing masks had little affect? The vast majority have been wearing them here, but did they do any good?
The whole place will be shut down and half of them will feck off to the Maldives for Christmas.I wonder if the House of Commons pub is going to be shut too.
It’s schools. They just don’t want to admit it. Most of the kids will show no symptoms but they’ll be taking it home and the older members of the family will display symptoms and by that point it will be hard to calculate where it came from.I never thought they were an absolute solution. I expected something more substantial then this, though.
It's much slower than the first wave but i wouldn't say that was due to masks. Masks are a small measure at the end of the day, social distancing is many times more important and we stopped doing it so it's not a surprise we're back to lockdown again.I never thought they were an absolute solution. I expected something more substantial then this, though. The virus appears to be increasing at a faster rate then before mask were mandatory.
I guess this will be proved, one way or another, after this lockdown.It’s schools. They just don’t want to admit it. Most of the kids will show no symptoms but they’ll be taking it home and the older members of the family will display symptoms and by that point it will be hard to calculate where it came from.
The virus has been rising steadily since August in Scotland and September in England since schools went back. That isn’t a coincidence. Colleges and Universities being open is also a shambles. They can easily adapt to an online model for the most part.I guess this will be proved, one way or another, after this lockdown.
But why not comment on all of the data, rather than one piece here and there? How does your theory fit what has happened in South Africa, where they re-opened schools in August but have kept the 7 day average at around 1500, a little lower than when the schools opened? If they start to spike in a month's time, will you say that it was just a delayed effect? How does it fit what has happened in Japan, where they re-opened schools when they were at their absolute peak, and months afterwards they've been hovering at 500-700 cases consistently in September and October? If opening schools played the role you say they do, such an obvious one too, how is it that it doesn't apply in these completely different countries with completely different approaches and completely different trajectories? How is it that countries had these inexplicable spikes while schools were off for the summer?Your evidence was wrong though. Blatantly so. Two weeks is just a number because of the incubation period. If you want to stick to just 14 days though then Belgium had 5 times as many cases within that time period.
The only true way to test is to close schools and see. Given we’ve tried everything else with no joy.
Ireland is proving its possible to turn things round without closing schools. 416 cases today. A third of the peak of our second wave. A downturn that started when the kids were still at school and still far too soon for half term to have had any effect on case numbers (6 days into school holidays and average incubation period 5-6 days)Your evidence was wrong though. Blatantly so. Two weeks is just a number because of the incubation period. If you want to stick to just 14 days though then Belgium had 5 times as many cases within that time period. The mistake I made was in not realising that a five fold increase is keeping cases steady.
The only true way to test is to close schools and see. Given we’ve tried everything else with no joy.
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They were terrible. Far too much information. When I used to make presentations, the vu graphs had to be clear and concise such that I didn't have to explain the data.Slide presentation is shite on bbc - can’t see half the data.
Schools haven't been a problem in Denmark either as far as I can see.It’s schools. They just don’t want to admit it. Most of the kids will show no symptoms but they’ll be taking it home and the older members of the family will display symptoms and by that point it will be hard to calculate where it came from.