@Hernandez - BFA, I send you all my best wishes. It must be extremely upsetting not to be able to do anything to save your patients.
How is it any easier paperwork than giving an alternative cause of death? That literally makes no sense.Easy paperwork is what I’ve heard. Especially in care homes.
So like, no offence but I don’t believe your friend.@Hernandez - BFA
Out of interest, are you working within the NHS in the UK?
I know somebody very close to me who has been working as a nurse on the front line, in one of the biggest hospitals in the UK, since this kicked off, and without hesitation she tells me it definitely happens.
Maybe because a Covid death is taken as some kind of given right now and less questions are asked and it’s notched up as another Covid death for the official figures? I honestly don’t know but I will ask for her take on it.How is it any easier paperwork than giving an alternative cause of death? That literally makes no sense.
But why would it matter what they died of? Why would it matter to the doctor? I find it very hard to believe they’d risk their entire career just for the ease of writing Covid?Maybe because a Covid death is taken as some kind of given right now and less questions are asked and it’s notched up as another Covid death for the official figures? I honestly don’t know but I will ask for her take on it.
I really don’t know where fact starts and conspiracy theories end these days.
Well the facts start with the amount of corona deaths and the conspiracy’s start with your postings.Maybe because a Covid death is taken as some kind of given right now and less questions are asked and it’s notched up as another Covid death for the official figures? I honestly don’t know but I will ask for her take on it.
I really don’t know where fact starts and conspiracy theories end these days.
Well the facts start with the amount of corona deaths and the conspiracy’s start with your postings.
I think in the US anyway, the covidots say hospital get more money to deal with the issue if they are struggling more, ie more deaths?But why would it matter what they died of? Why would it matter to the doctor? I find it very hard to believe they’d risk their entire career just for the ease of writing Covid?
Notched up as another for the figures? Who’s interest is it for that number to keep rising?
OkWell the facts start with the amount of corona deaths and the conspiracy’s start with your postings.
Yep but they lose money so long as there are high Covid case loads as it drastically reduces the number of elective surgeries, one of their prime sources of income.I think in the US anyway, the covidots say hospital get more money to deal with the issue if they are struggling more, ie more deaths?
Or something similar
Meanwhile my mother in law has been told to continue going in to work at the library. That essential part of modern life that people definitely couldn't live without for 4 weeks. We're governed by idiots.Golf courses shut and Tennis (even outside) banned during lockdown.
Pathetic!
It isn't. I'm working in A&E (locum) and in community (GP practice serving a demographic with high covid incidence)Unfortunately though, it definitely is happening and I’d actually be surprised if you really haven’t seen it yourself.
You should do that.Maybe because a Covid death is taken as some kind of given right now and less questions are asked and it’s notched up as another Covid death for the official figures? I honestly don’t know but I will ask for her take on it.
I really don’t know where fact starts and conspiracy theories end these days.
Sending you best wishes and resilience, vast vast majority of people I speak to, family members and covid survivors know how much people in respiratory and ITU have done for them. The covidiots don't compare.Fine, I can't speak for all doctors/hospitals. That is 100% true and maybe I shouldn't put a blanket statement like I said. But I've worked in two hospitals during the COVID pandemic, and from my experience in both, COVID has only ever been put on the death certificate only if it's played a massive contribution towards the death - and the vast, vast, vast majority - COVID is 1A. I am working on the Respiratory COVID ward, so granted we get the sickest COVIDs in the hospital before they are deemed to require intubation in ITU - so naturally I am going to see more deaths that are full barn-door COVID. But I also help the more junior members of the team on the non-COVID Respiratory ward - and work on calls where I see a whole concoction of presentations who may die on admission. In my current hospital, there's guidance for us to say to only put down COVID if its played a role in their deaths. I can safely say that I'm part of the cohort in my hospital who have seen more COVID in the last few months than anyone else in the hospital - which unfortunately means I've done a fair few death certificates so I feel I can hold a fairly valid opinion on this whole death certificates debacle.
Well said, and spot on regarding government motivation, what do they gain from inflating numbers? You’re completely right, people are so desperate to go back to their normal lives that they will believe anything, people are just bored of this, and want to justify acting like a jebend.For me it comes down to the fact that a lot of these people who believe that they are exaggerating deaths or that their favourite sport/leisure activity is completely safe are just refusing to accept reality. The fact that excess deaths (the greatest idea of how many COVID deaths we have had) is ignored and random anecdotal evidence from friends of the family is believed is mental to me. The government and the NHS have absolutely no reason to inflate deaths. Quite the opposite to be honest. But some people just refuse to accept the inconvenience and thus have to twist it to something else.
if you’re losing your livelihood - I get it. It can feel like a death sentence if you’ve got nowhere to go. But quite simply if you don’t believe the death figures because you miss going to the gym or you want a round of golf you’re a knob.
Yes I am.@Hernandez - BFA
Out of interest, are you working within the NHS in the UK?
I know somebody very close to me who has been working as a nurse on the front line, in one of the biggest hospitals in the UK, since this kicked off, and without hesitation she tells me it definitely happens.
Definitely not accusing you of anything, and thanks for putting yourself on the line. The NHS is truly amazing.Yes I am.
Entitled to her statement - but I don't think she'd know what people are putting down.
Plus as @Pogue Mahone said, I'm not sure why a doctor would feel the need to put down COVID on a death certificate when it isn't relevant to the death. You can say what you want about how the government has dealt with this, but I don't see why there is a conspiracy that doctors are in on it We're the ones who do these death certificates - I have very little to gain for putting the words COVID down when it's not close to the relevancy of the case. The patient's family sees these so it would come to bite us in the ass if they clock it and say "So COVID killed him?! You told us it was a heart attack!".
I can't think of many who would risk their jobs by getting it wrong.
I remember when I accidently put the wrong diagnosis down on a death certificate in the first year of work - and I had the coroner ring me up demanding me for a statement as to why I put it down on the death certificate.
Apologies - didn't mean to sound defensive! Not the tone I went for!Definitely not accusing you of anything, and thanks for putting yourself on the line. The NHS is truly amazing.
New cases seem to be fairly stable, been 25k for a couple of weeks now so hopefully that will go significantly down with lockdown.UK figures for today - 378 deaths, 24,141 new cases.
Yeah he is such a horrible person. Just think of all those countries he invaded when he was President of the US. Not to mention being complicit in genocide.If ever I wished Covid on someone full dose it’s that cnut
It's been surging for the last month, I don't think it'll alter the current trend they're seeing I don't think.Are we likely to see a surge in the US after the election with the rallying, voting, counting and people gathering waiting for results. It`s quite worrying .
Holy shit. That is a worry. Is that the mink mutation?https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.355842v1
This seems like bad news to me. Variant that is less neutralised by a number of monoclonal antibodies and convalescent serum. I would have liked to see them challenge immunised mice with it though, to see whether the ability to evade antibodies was significant outside of a test tube.
Says to me that, long term, vaccines might have to be redesigned and re-administered to account for genetic drift, which is the case for flu vaccine, but I was hoping wouldn’t be required as frequently for covid. It also emphasises the need for a simultaneous world wide vaccination campaign to reduce the chance of vaccine evasion strains happening. Something the WHO has been trying to orchestrate but the US has pulled out of.
Yeah N439K, although the paper seems to suggest there is a variable region in the spike that is more prone to mutation, so there could be more. Need to get all these variants into vaccine mouse models ASAP! They probably already are to be fair.Holy shit. That is a worry. Is that the mink mutation?
It isn't as bad as it sounds. It is very unclear as to how, as you say, it would play out in say a host such as nice and the sort of challenge it would actually face from the immune system and that is not something you can determine from a Petri dish.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.355842v1
This seems like bad news to me. Variant that is less neutralised by a number of monoclonal antibodies and convalescent serum. I would have liked to see them challenge immunised mice with it though, to see whether the ability to evade antibodies was significant outside of a test tube.
Says to me that, long term, vaccines might have to be redesigned and re-administered to account for genetic drift, which is the case for flu vaccine, but I was hoping wouldn’t be required as frequently for covid. It also emphasises the need for a simultaneous world wide vaccination campaign to reduce the chance of vaccine evasion strains happening. Something the WHO has been trying to orchestrate but the US has pulled out of.
Hopefully we will get a Twitter thread by a virologist soon explaining why it’s not as bad as it sounds. If these lineages are already around then it seems they would re-emerge quickly post-vaccination of a fraction the population.
Function of the number of infections around the world too. Low mutation rate but huge worldwide virus load, higher chance of mutations arising. But could have just got unlucky.@Tony Babangida
Is it possible that this is just freakish bad luck? The virus has very little genetic drift but by a one in a million shot, one of the earl mutations happened to affect the amino acids relevant to Ab binding? As in, we might wait years and years for a similar, clinically relevant mutation to happen again?
My understanding is that influenza mutates many many more times rapidly than coronaviridae. So it seems like terrible luck to get a mutation which is relevant to its antigenicity so soon.
You think we should open up to virus ridden NSW?Victoria has had 7 days of zero new cases and zero deaths.
We were equal with cases with the UK and France 8-12 weeks ago and now have turned it around.
It's a lie popularised by Trump.I think in the US anyway, the covidots say hospital get more money to deal with the issue if they are struggling more, ie more deaths?
Or something similar
I know of a nurse who actually believed it's just a flu. And she actually works at a covid isolation/recovery center where people were all either asymptomatic or recovering. And she based her assumption on seeing all the asymptomatic people. It's so stupid. I told her to please go to an actual covid hospital and look at the icu patients there.You should do that.
One thing I’ve realised from hanging out on message boards full of doctors is that even some of them believe blatantly false conspiracy theories (although never any of the ones who are day to day treating dead/dying covid patients) so would be no surprise at all if nurses are prone to the same.
It’s a terrible fecking shame but Facebook/Twitter bullshit seems to be even more contagious than the virus.
This post is spot on in my experience as well. It's fairly rare to see a medical doctor be a "non believer" but in the rest of the medical staff conspiracy theories are at an all time high. Social media has really poisoned many peoples minds.You should do that.
One thing I’ve realised from hanging out on message boards full of doctors is that even some of them believe blatantly false conspiracy theories (although never any of the ones who are day to day treating dead/dying covid patients) so would be no surprise at all if nurses are prone to the same.
It’s a terrible fecking shame but Facebook/Twitter bullshit seems to be even more contagious than the virus.
Fingers crossed it's not mate, good luckThink I’ve got it. Realised an hour ago when my dominos tasted bland. Also think my smell has gone faint too.
Isolated since. Test in the morning.