SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

For France


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2 mars: 2 March
19 mars: 19 March
11 janvier: 11 January

Recenses en 1 semaine: reported in 1 week
Tendance sur deux semaines: trends over 2 weeks

Cas confirmes: confirmed cases
Nouvelles hospitalisations: new hospitalised people
Admissions en reanimation: people - patients admitted to the resuscitation unit,
Deces a l hopital - deaths in hospital (versus deaths of very old people in regulated homes for dependent seniors)

Thanks. Looks like you did a great job crushing that second wave but going wrong again now. Did they recently ease off the restrictions that were in place over Christmas?
 
I'm a bit confused how the R rate has been constantly above 1 for the last few weeks yet new cases show the first signs of falling due (I'm hoping) to the newest lockdown procedures. Surely a rate higher than 1 would signify no reduction in cases whatsoever theoretically?

Maybe less testing?
 
Officially youngest person who I've managed died today. He was stacked, does crossfit regularly, no medical history whatsoever.
41 years of age. Went to ITU 2 weeks ago and has unfortunately died today.

Got to say, not many deaths hits me this badly. I'm in shock. I remember speaking to his wife over the phone when he was still on Optiflow and saying that he was holding his own on that at present. I come in next day and he's been transferred to ITU.

Fourty-fecking-one. None of his "co-morbidities" shit. This man was healthy and fit.

I told myself that I'd restrain from posting in this thread for a while - hence my increased activity in the football forum, but I just couldn't comprehend with this after coming back home.

Stay safe guys. None of this "It's just a poxy virus" or "I don't have any conditions".
 
Officially youngest person who I've managed died today. He was stacked, does crossfit regularly, no medical history whatsoever.
41 years of age. Went to ITU 2 weeks ago and has unfortunately died today.

Got to say, not many deaths hits me this badly. I'm in shock. I remember speaking to his wife over the phone when he was still on Optiflow and saying that he was holding his own on that at present. I come in next day and he's been transferred to ITU.

Fourty-fecking-one. None of his "co-morbidities" shit. This man was healthy and fit.

I told myself that I'd restrain from posting in this thread for a while - hence my increased activity in the football forum, but I just couldn't comprehend with this after coming back home.

Stay safe guys. None of this "It's just a poxy virus" or "I don't have any conditions".
Thanks for this stark reminder and really sorry to hear that. Thank you for what you’re doing!
 
Why are they increasing restrictions in Italy/France? Are the numbers not going in the right direction?

They're not really increasing them, they're just not relaxing what was in place over Christmas. Numbers are fairly precarious at the moment and could go in either direction. Hospital and ICU occupancy is right on the edge of the 30% alert level and the R number is over 1 in some places.
 
Officially youngest person who I've managed died today. He was stacked, does crossfit regularly, no medical history whatsoever.
41 years of age. Went to ITU 2 weeks ago and has unfortunately died today.

Got to say, not many deaths hits me this badly. I'm in shock. I remember speaking to his wife over the phone when he was still on Optiflow and saying that he was holding his own on that at present. I come in next day and he's been transferred to ITU.

Fourty-fecking-one. None of his "co-morbidities" shit. This man was healthy and fit.

I told myself that I'd restrain from posting in this thread for a while - hence my increased activity in the football forum, but I just couldn't comprehend with this after coming back home.

Stay safe guys. None of this "It's just a poxy virus" or "I don't have any conditions".

Deaths close to your own age are always hard. Hope you find time for a de-brief with a mentor. Or even a friend. This one will stay with you. The sooner you start to talk it through the better. Take care of yourself.
 
They're not really increasing them, they're just not relaxing what was in place over Christmas. Numbers are fairly precarious at the moment and could go in either direction. Hospital and ICU occupancy is right on the edge of the 30% alert level and the R number is over 1 in some places.

Are you seeing a similar uptick to those French graphs, despite no relaxation of measures? That fecking sucks. Would make you wonder about how widespread UK variant might be?
 
I have a test booked in tonight because I've got a few symptoms (cough, taste).

Kinda feels just like a cold really but I made the mistake of telling my mum on the phone and she's forced me to get tested.

I was surprised how easy it was to book a test and also how many open slots there were. I could literally have picked any time between now and 7pm.

If I do have it, its from Tesco at the weekend as I've not left the flat other than a daily walk outside (on my own).

Thankfully your Mum has sense and forced you to go against your "feeling" and get tested as you have covid symptoms. Good luck.
 
Thankfully your Mum has sense and forced you to go against your "feeling" and get tested as you have covid symptoms. Good luck.

The whole testing process took less than 10 mins. Had to sanitise my hands at least 5 times in 5 minutes, they're (rightfully) really taking is super seriously.

Sticking the thing up my nose was no issue.
 
The whole testing process took less than 10 mins. Had to sanitise my hands at least 5 times in 5 minutes, they're (rightfully) really taking is super seriously.

Sticking the thing up my nose was no issue.

That's good to hear. Hopefully it comes back negative.
 
Officially youngest person who I've managed died today. He was stacked, does crossfit regularly, no medical history whatsoever.
41 years of age. Went to ITU 2 weeks ago and has unfortunately died today.

Got to say, not many deaths hits me this badly. I'm in shock. I remember speaking to his wife over the phone when he was still on Optiflow and saying that he was holding his own on that at present. I come in next day and he's been transferred to ITU.

Fourty-fecking-one. None of his "co-morbidities" shit. This man was healthy and fit.

I told myself that I'd restrain from posting in this thread for a while - hence my increased activity in the football forum, but I just couldn't comprehend with this after coming back home.

Stay safe guys. None of this "It's just a poxy virus" or "I don't have any conditions".

It might be relatively rare but not rare enough for the complacency many seem to be infected with.
 
That's good to hear. Hopefully it comes back negative.

I've had a google to see if you can get it twice and the results were very vague (there's a National Geographic article from last month which says there are 100s of cases of reinfection, considering there have been millions of people infected, that's crazily low).

For that reason there's a small part of me that hopes my test is positive. I barely have any symptoms (bit of a cough, dulled tastebuds).
 
Still quite creepy going back to page one of this thread. We had no idea what we were heading towards.
Eye opening, isn't it?

I remember reading something about some virus in some Chinese city somewhere in some news outlet. You get the vibe. Thought nothing of it.
 
Did last summer do something in terms of slowing this down? Was the heat helpful at all?
 
Are you seeing a similar uptick to those French graphs, despite no relaxation of measures? That fecking sucks. Would make you wonder about how widespread UK variant might be?

The government says there has been an expansion over the last few days, but it's not done too much to the numbers yet.
 
Eye opening, isn't it?

I remember reading something about some virus in some Chinese city somewhere in some news outlet. You get the vibe. Thought nothing of it.

I remember (late Feb/early March) one of the Senior managers at work say I'm telling everyone that this is a dangerous virus, and to take care, and that I was wrong.

Its just like the flu.
 
Officially youngest person who I've managed died today. He was stacked, does crossfit regularly, no medical history whatsoever.
41 years of age. Went to ITU 2 weeks ago and has unfortunately died today.

Got to say, not many deaths hits me this badly. I'm in shock. I remember speaking to his wife over the phone when he was still on Optiflow and saying that he was holding his own on that at present. I come in next day and he's been transferred to ITU.

Fourty-fecking-one. None of his "co-morbidities" shit. This man was healthy and fit.

I told myself that I'd restrain from posting in this thread for a while - hence my increased activity in the football forum, but I just couldn't comprehend with this after coming back home.

Stay safe guys. None of this "It's just a poxy virus" or "I don't have any conditions".

Really feel for you. Reading stuff like that is shocking, so no wonder it does affect you. If it didn't, you wouldn't be human.
Take time out when you can, vent if needed, and keep your chin up. The majority of people out there know the good work you guys to and appreciate it.
 
We thought so at the time but it doesn’t look great when you see what’s going on in South Africa and how Australia’s struggling to contain outbreaks.

NSW is slowly moping up that last outbreak that totals just over 200 cases I think. They have taken a deliberate decision not to lock down hard based mainly on political considerations (Liberal premier getting pressure from the Liberal Federals government) which is a bit disappointing if not unexpected. They seem to have got away with so far but we still have a few cases of community transmission each day and worryingly they don't always have the full infection chain even when they genomically link cases to an existing cluster. Fingers crossed we can stamp this one out and keep it that way until the vaccine rollout starts.

The worry is Qld where a cleaner from a quarantine hotel and her husband got the UK variant. No further spread has been detected from the cleaner so far, although we need more time to be sure. However, there was spread of the UK variant between people on one floor of that quarantine hotel and to try to ensure it doesn't spread into the community they have brought hundreds of people back into quarantine and or/ kept people in quarantine for a further 14 days, in case the new variant is significantly more infectious.

Edit: Zero new cases on community infection today. The worry is that cases are circulating in suburbs were people are less likely to get tested - referred to as multicultiral areas in the news, as opposed to the Northern Beaches where the latest outbreak started (the other white meat) where over 40% of the entire population were tested in about a week (but the deaths from melanoma after they had to brave the midday sun are as yet unknown).
 
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We thought so at the time but it doesn’t look great when you see what’s going on in South Africa and how Australia’s struggling to contain outbreaks.
My dad lives in Australia and was talking about how their quiet little part of the Sunshine coast was invaded by folk from Brisbane just before their lockdown came into effect. He couldn't believe how many folk were showing up. Absolute cockwombles.
 
Well feck me. My test came back negative. Somehow, in the middle of a fecking pandemic, living in the same house with my wife who has it, while quarantining, I have managed to pick up some other nasty, non-COVID bug but avoid COVID. How 2020 of me.
 
Perfectly captures my thoughts on how so many countries are dealing with this

What's as scary as Covid? The fact our leaders still have no plan to control it
Almost a year into the pandemic, the UK is trapped in a cycle of lockdown and relaxation, without an exit strategy

Here’s the chilling, remarkable thing that should be inscribed on everyone’s minds: there is no plan. This week, I asked the government’s Cabinet Office three simple questions. What are the objectives of the current lockdown? What are the criteria for deciding when it should be lifted? What are the criteria for imposing other restrictions following this lockdown? It had no answers.

All it could offer was a paragraph of waffle from the prime minister’s latest press conference, in which he appeared to suggest that he might relax some measures when the most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.

A government with any level of competence would have explained from the outset where we need to be before it lifts this lockdown. It might have stated what the R number should be; what the number of positive cases should be; how great a reduction in Covid hospital patient numbers there should be. It would have committed not to end the lockdown until such conditions have been met.

It would also have published a plan for tightening restrictions if conditions worsen, and its criteria for graded restrictions when lockdown ends. But no such statements have been published. We’ve had 11 months of this, and the government is still flying blind.

Without clear objectives, without a plan, we are likely to remain trapped in a perpetual cycle of emergency followed by suppression, followed by relaxation, followed by emergency. Boris Johnson will continue to chase short-term popularity by lifting restrictions as soon as he thinks he can; the government, constantly surprised by events, will keep responding with reactive, disconnected policies; and the nightmare will continue.


As many scientists and doctors have pointed out, vaccination can be only part of the answer. Immunising the most vulnerable people will reduce the death rate, but if the disease continues to rage through the rest of the population, the consequences will still be terrible. The prospect of very large numbers of people – tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands – being afflicted by long Covid should horrify any government concerned about the welfare of its citizens.

I have heard Covid-19 described as “a mass disabling event”. Given the numbers who continue to suffer grave effects several months after mild infection, and the high proportion of survivors of severe infection who show long-term symptoms, this could, unfortunately, be accurate. Other measures will be required for many months, perhaps years.

From the outset, the government has tried to persuade us that there’s a trade-off between protecting public health and protecting our social and economic lives. But there is no trade-off. The UK is currently afflicted by the world’s third-highest death rate over the past seven days (after the Czech Republic and Lithuania), accompanied by the social and economic catastrophe of a third lockdown. This is world-beating incompetence; failure on an epic scale. Yet somehow we appear to have normalised it.

So part of the plan would mean acknowledging that a radically different approach is needed. This would begin with a commitment to put public health ahead of profit. Every week brings a new scandal, as the government shows a generosity towards profit-seeking corporations that’s not extended to the rest of the population. The latest involves claims that a £30 free-school-meal pack supplied by a private contractor, contains food that could have been bought for £5.22. Others involve vast untendered contracts for protective equipment, preferentially awarded to those with political connections through a “VIP channel”; and the disastrous privatisation and outsourcing of our test-and-trace system.

This is the crucial issue. Without an effective test, trace, isolate and support system, we will be stuck in the cycle of infection indefinitely. But if you get the system right, you free the nation from both uncontrolled disease and lockdowns. This is the lesson from Taiwan, a country with twice our population density, that has lost just seven people to Covid-19 without ever locking down. It developed its system with the help of participatory democracy, ensuring there was a high level of public consent and engagement; put professionals in charge at every stage; and provides generous support and daily contact for people who have had to isolate.


By contrast, our system has been a fiasco. England’s system has so far cost £22bn. For all the good it has done, this money might as well have been stacked and burned. The government put dilettantes in charge, and handed key tasks to corporations with a terrible track record of delivery. As I revealed in October, teenage call-centre workers on the minimum wage were given crucial tracing jobs that had previously been reserved for health professionals.

As the Independent Sage science group explains, we won’t get a grip on the pandemic until we replace this farce with a system led by the NHS, locally run by public health professionals, in which everyone who is asked to isolate is given all the necessary financial and social help and, if required, free accommodation. Yet the government has so far refused even to acknowledge the failure of this system, let alone produce a plan for replacing it.

Similarly, it needs to make lockdown easier for everyone. Among other incentives, this means extending furlough payments to the excluded 3 million: the self-employed workers facing economic disaster when they abide by the rules and stay at home.

The government could have used the first two lockdowns and the school holidays to carry out an emergency refurbishment programme in schools, fitting them with ventilation, filtering and heat exchanger systems and windows that open; setting up Nightingale classrooms in unused entertainment venues, and hiring new teaching assistants to reduce class sizes and allow sufficient distancing. Astonishingly, it did nothing except rebuff the desperate pleas of headteachers: not a single penny was provided for school refurbishment. Still the government fails to act: it plans no programme of works. Schools, when they fully reopen, will once again become incubators of infection.

The government failed to get a grip on the pandemic in other institutions, such as immigration detention centres. It has inexplicably abandoned its commitment, during the first lockdown, to find safe accommodation for all homeless people. If anything, we are going backwards.

Those who run this country have been instructing us for years that the government should get out of the way, ceding its powers to an abstraction they call the market. Governing well is, to them, almost a form of sacrilege. The state should be timid, shrivelled, incapable.

Faced with a national emergency, led by a man whose first instinct is to dump responsibility and transfer blame to others, they lurch from error to error, turning every crisis into catastrophe. And even now, almost a year into the pandemic yet still without a plan, the government ensures that our suffering will once again be in vain.



https://www.theguardian.com/comment...vid-leaders-no-plan-to-control-pandemic-cycle
 
Perfectly captures my thoughts on how so many countries are dealing with this

What's as scary as Covid? The fact our leaders still have no plan to control it
Almost a year into the pandemic, the UK is trapped in a cycle of lockdown and relaxation, without an exit strategy

Here’s the chilling, remarkable thing that should be inscribed on everyone’s minds: there is no plan. This week, I asked the government’s Cabinet Office three simple questions. What are the objectives of the current lockdown? What are the criteria for deciding when it should be lifted? What are the criteria for imposing other restrictions following this lockdown? It had no answers.

All it could offer was a paragraph of waffle from the prime minister’s latest press conference, in which he appeared to suggest that he might relax some measures when the most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.

A government with any level of competence would have explained from the outset where we need to be before it lifts this lockdown. It might have stated what the R number should be; what the number of positive cases should be; how great a reduction in Covid hospital patient numbers there should be. It would have committed not to end the lockdown until such conditions have been met.

It would also have published a plan for tightening restrictions if conditions worsen, and its criteria for graded restrictions when lockdown ends. But no such statements have been published. We’ve had 11 months of this, and the government is still flying blind.

Without clear objectives, without a plan, we are likely to remain trapped in a perpetual cycle of emergency followed by suppression, followed by relaxation, followed by emergency. Boris Johnson will continue to chase short-term popularity by lifting restrictions as soon as he thinks he can; the government, constantly surprised by events, will keep responding with reactive, disconnected policies; and the nightmare will continue.


As many scientists and doctors have pointed out, vaccination can be only part of the answer. Immunising the most vulnerable people will reduce the death rate, but if the disease continues to rage through the rest of the population, the consequences will still be terrible. The prospect of very large numbers of people – tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands – being afflicted by long Covid should horrify any government concerned about the welfare of its citizens.

I have heard Covid-19 described as “a mass disabling event”. Given the numbers who continue to suffer grave effects several months after mild infection, and the high proportion of survivors of severe infection who show long-term symptoms, this could, unfortunately, be accurate. Other measures will be required for many months, perhaps years.

From the outset, the government has tried to persuade us that there’s a trade-off between protecting public health and protecting our social and economic lives. But there is no trade-off. The UK is currently afflicted by the world’s third-highest death rate over the past seven days (after the Czech Republic and Lithuania), accompanied by the social and economic catastrophe of a third lockdown. This is world-beating incompetence; failure on an epic scale. Yet somehow we appear to have normalised it.

So part of the plan would mean acknowledging that a radically different approach is needed. This would begin with a commitment to put public health ahead of profit. Every week brings a new scandal, as the government shows a generosity towards profit-seeking corporations that’s not extended to the rest of the population. The latest involves claims that a £30 free-school-meal pack supplied by a private contractor, contains food that could have been bought for £5.22. Others involve vast untendered contracts for protective equipment, preferentially awarded to those with political connections through a “VIP channel”; and the disastrous privatisation and outsourcing of our test-and-trace system.

This is the crucial issue. Without an effective test, trace, isolate and support system, we will be stuck in the cycle of infection indefinitely. But if you get the system right, you free the nation from both uncontrolled disease and lockdowns. This is the lesson from Taiwan, a country with twice our population density, that has lost just seven people to Covid-19 without ever locking down. It developed its system with the help of participatory democracy, ensuring there was a high level of public consent and engagement; put professionals in charge at every stage; and provides generous support and daily contact for people who have had to isolate.


By contrast, our system has been a fiasco. England’s system has so far cost £22bn. For all the good it has done, this money might as well have been stacked and burned. The government put dilettantes in charge, and handed key tasks to corporations with a terrible track record of delivery. As I revealed in October, teenage call-centre workers on the minimum wage were given crucial tracing jobs that had previously been reserved for health professionals.

As the Independent Sage science group explains, we won’t get a grip on the pandemic until we replace this farce with a system led by the NHS, locally run by public health professionals, in which everyone who is asked to isolate is given all the necessary financial and social help and, if required, free accommodation. Yet the government has so far refused even to acknowledge the failure of this system, let alone produce a plan for replacing it.

Similarly, it needs to make lockdown easier for everyone. Among other incentives, this means extending furlough payments to the excluded 3 million: the self-employed workers facing economic disaster when they abide by the rules and stay at home.

The government could have used the first two lockdowns and the school holidays to carry out an emergency refurbishment programme in schools, fitting them with ventilation, filtering and heat exchanger systems and windows that open; setting up Nightingale classrooms in unused entertainment venues, and hiring new teaching assistants to reduce class sizes and allow sufficient distancing. Astonishingly, it did nothing except rebuff the desperate pleas of headteachers: not a single penny was provided for school refurbishment. Still the government fails to act: it plans no programme of works. Schools, when they fully reopen, will once again become incubators of infection.

The government failed to get a grip on the pandemic in other institutions, such as immigration detention centres. It has inexplicably abandoned its commitment, during the first lockdown, to find safe accommodation for all homeless people. If anything, we are going backwards.

Those who run this country have been instructing us for years that the government should get out of the way, ceding its powers to an abstraction they call the market. Governing well is, to them, almost a form of sacrilege. The state should be timid, shrivelled, incapable.

Faced with a national emergency, led by a man whose first instinct is to dump responsibility and transfer blame to others, they lurch from error to error, turning every crisis into catastrophe. And even now, almost a year into the pandemic yet still without a plan, the government ensures that our suffering will once again be in vain.



https://www.theguardian.com/comment...vid-leaders-no-plan-to-control-pandemic-cycle

Maybe it is a plan to be so shit at a response to covid that people are distracted from the shit-show that is Brexit?

Or this is Boris's internal though process.

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Maybe it is a plan to be so shit at a response to covid that people are distracted from the shit-show that is Brexit?

Or this is Boris's internal though process.

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Well if it looks like Boris and sounds like Boris ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol:
but she still has it :(
Damn. Is there no light at the end of the tunnel? Take care. Hope she gets well soon.
 
Well if it looks like Boris and sounds like Boris ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Damn. Is there no light at the end of the tunnel? Take care. Hope she gets well soon.

Thanks again. Still symptomatic, but getting better. She's in much better shape than my lazy ass (woman usually are), so we were never really worried.
 
Why are they increasing restrictions in Italy/France? Are the numbers not going in the right direction?
Conte has said there is the danger of a third wave, with an eye on what's happening in the UK. To be fair, in yellow regions like the one we live in (the lowest tier at the moment), you can still leave your comune and travel within your region, and the region is pretty large. The Christmas/New Year restrictions were severe, which is I assume why our cases are lower.

We can virtually live as we were doing before Covid (with masks), but that's because we don't go out in the evenings anyway. However, younger adults would normally be out and about at night.
 
What do you all make of these reports this morning that immunity may only last 5 months?

If thats the case, will there ever be an end to this? Is this the beginning of the end for humanity? :lol:

It really would be.
 
No other country seems to have a problem with it.
Uks sick pay is 95 pw that's why.

Almost every other country is also in the shit though. Having to lock down hard to try and stop their hospitals going under. So the factors behind rampant community spread are a) not unique to the uk and b) more complex than sick pay.