You’ve done the right thingMe and my son (aged 4) tested positive for covid today - I'm pretty much fine but he's in bed with a high temperature, lethargic etc.... Fingers crossed it all passes for him soon. We've also a newborn in the house but he seems fine.
Now, my wife was planning to have her sister and a friend round for dinner this evening and wait for this- I'm getting hassle because this has ruined their plans and that I basically shouldn't have bothered testing.... Her sister is also a healthcare worker and it's most likely in their house too but they aren't testing because they don't want it to disrupt any Christmas plans....
Great start to the holidays round here
What could possibly go wrong?Italy has become the first country in Europe to make it obligatory for people arriving from China to be tested for Covid-19 following Beijing moving to reopen its borders after lifting some of its toughest anti-Covid restrictions.
Italy has already been monitoring swab tests at Rome’s Fiumicino airport and Milan’s Malpensa airport, where on Monday one in two passengers arriving on flights from China who undertook non-mandatory tests were found to be positive for coronavirus.
The WHO director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has called on China to share data and conduct relevant studies to help the world understand which Covid variants are circulating. Dwyer said data was crucial because in countries where Covid-19 is out of control, the sheer number of people infected makes it more likely that there will be a rare event that leads to changes in the virus, potentially creating a new variant of concern.
Prolonged lockdowns in China also mean a significant proportion of the population have not been infected with newer variants, and the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines China has relied on appear less effective than mRNA vaccines used elsewhere.
“That is the environment where you’d expect new variants to appear,” Dwyer said. “So therefore monitoring people returning from China who are sick is going to be important. We don’t know … whether those variants [in China] are any different to what we’ve seen elsewhere.”
China’s decision to resume issuing passports for the first time in almost three years could allow large numbers of Chinese tourists to travel abroad for next month’s lunar new year holiday. Travel services companies Trip.com and Qunar said international ticket bookings and searches for visa information on their websites rose five to eight times after Tuesday’s announcement, with top destinations including Japan, Thailand, South Korea, the United States, Britain and Australia.
Does it even matter when Europe is already saturated with the virus?What could possibly go wrong?
I don’t think so.Does it even matter when Europe is already saturated with the virus?
US has just done similar.What could possibly go wrong?
Which groups?Lots of groups reporting deaths are likely in the 1000s per day. Could this be a new variant ?
A British group modelled 5000 daily estimate (I know modelling has its flaws), Bloomberg reports around 2000 daily (not sure what source they use).Which groups?
This article says China's covid surge is due to a Omicron sub-varient.I don’t think so.
Although I presume the concerns are because all the variants running amok in Europe share the same omicron ancestry, so none of them are particularly nasty. We haven’t a fecking clue which variant is the main driver in China and if it’s from a different, earlier lineage it could spin off variants which are a lot more dangerous.
My uneducated guess is that this is very unlikely but you can see why everyone is a bit nervous
My boss, from India was telling me this morning that India are probably gonna go harsh on Chinese tourists too but they it was because it’s said that there is a new variant and also India haven’t done well with boostersI don’t think so.
Although I presume the concerns are because all the variants running amok in Europe share the same omicron ancestry, so none of them are particularly nasty. We haven’t a fecking clue which variant is the main driver in China and if it’s from a different, earlier lineage it could spin off variants which are a lot more dangerous.
My uneducated guess is that this is very unlikely but you can see why everyone is a bit nervous
No that’s right, then when you surge and it’s too late, introduce measures. Sensible approachU.K. government not going to require testing from those arriving from China for now.
These measures aren’t about containing this surge though. Which has nothing to do with (recent) Chinese tourists.No that’s right, then when you surge and it’s too late, introduce measures. Sensible approach
Then blame us and cycle repeat. But really with reports that 50% tested on a flight to Italy were positive and no idea what the variant is in China surely common sense is to be cautious.No that’s right, then when you surge and it’s too late, introduce measures. Sensible approach
Surely as we don’t really know where China is at in terms of variants it makes common sense to be cautious? As the poster below says, 50% tested bound on flight for Italy were positive.These measures aren’t about containing this surge though. Which has nothing to do with (recent) Chinese tourists.
You would think so. But maybe that’s just meThen blame us and cycle repeat. But really with reports that 50% tested on a flight to Italy were positive and no idea what the variant is in China surely common sense is to be cautious.
Yeah, I’ve no problem with these measures. With China apparently not even screening for new variants it seems a sensible approach. Plus there’s no real downside.Surely as we don’t really know where China is at in terms of variants it makes common sense to be cautious? As the poster below says, 50% tested bound on flight for Italy were positive.
Sorry to hear that geebs. I’m sure they’ll be fine though. It really isn’t that bad a dose these days. Catching up with old friends and family is important. Especially as you start to get on a bit. There’s only so many more opportunities left. I wouldn’t be giving them a hard time about it.My brother and his family flew from Atlanta to Dublin for a Christmas catch-up, then 2 days in Derry before a few days in Belfast meeting old friends. He came back to Dublin as sick as a dog, all the family. Tested positive. My younger brother who was putting them up in Dublin also got infected.
reckons he got infected by a pair of non vaxxing friends who were barking like dogs with a cough when they came for dinner.
had to suffer long flight back & many on the plane were coughing apparently.
both brothers have ICDs implanted. Both complaining of breathing issues when they have to bend down.
still a virus that needs to be treated with some common sense imo. I think my brother was too lax in meeting so many old friends this time of year, it was almost inevitable
Oh I’m not giving them a hard time, they’ve been through hard enough times this year. My brother is pissed that the pair who were coughing didn’t at least pre-warn him though before meetingSorry to hear that geebs. I’m sure they’ll be fine though. It really isn’t that bad a dose these days. Catching up with old friends and family is important. Especially as you start to get on a bit. There’s only so many more opportunities left. I wouldn’t be giving them a hard time about it.
Ah, ok. Yeah, that was a dick move from them. We are very reliant on other people being considerate with all the bugs flying round this winter. Even if there’s no long term damage done it’s fecking inconvenient being sick for a week or two.Oh I’m not giving them a hard time, they’ve been through hard enough times this year. My brother is pissed that the pair who were coughing didn’t at least pre-warn him though before meeting
“Italy didn’t find any concerning mutations in recent arrivals from China who had tested positive for the virus” (Bloomberg 1 hour ago )Will testing travelers give us that information? Basically no - we'd have to wait a few weeks to see if it hospitalises/kills any of them - and the chances are that the travellers won't be in a high risk group, and will be people who are up to date on jabs etc.
Been strange. I had two viral incidents in the past 3 months (first time since 2020) . Both were 24/48 hour issues that went away, first was minor and second took me out badly for 24 hours.I've got it again. Only tested yesterday out of curiosity as it's quite different to the last time, I was convinced it was just a heavy head cold. All snotty, sneezing and coughing a bit but nothing on my chest.
Oh well bang goes New Year's Eve. At least I think it's on the way out now.
Ah yes I forgot the sore throat - that's been gone a couple of days now.Been strange. I had two viral incidents in the past 3 months (first time in over 2 years) . Both were 24/48 hour issues that went away, first was minor and second took me out badly for 24 hours.
Now for the past 2-3 days I feel fine, but feel like I have something. It’s hard to explain. A slight sore throat, runny nose, but mostly when I wake up I wake up with the same sweaty feeling and “Ill smell” that I do when I have a flu/virus
U.K. set to announce negative covid test for arrivals from China.
We all probably guessed this was going to happen. But the no, the yes. Just looks indecisive. Was it to do with the border force strikes?
I've read the news so understand the first sentence at leastU.K. set to announce negative covid test for arrivals from China.
We all probably guessed this was going to happen. But the no, the yes. Just looks indecisive. Was it to do with the border force strikes?
Just yesterday the British government said they had no plans to require negative covid tests for arrivals from China. Obviously, most people knew it would change. But to change within a day, although the right call, just makes the government look fickle.I've read the news so understand the first sentence at least
Apologies, I was a bit blunt there. I didn't get your point initially but I see where you're coming from now. I don't think the Border Force strikes have anything to do with policy. The Border Force have little to do with anything meaningful really.Just yesterday the British government said they had no plans to require negative covid tests for arrivals from China. Obviously, most people knew it would change. But to change within a day, although the right call, just makes the government look fickle.
I just wondered if it was anything to do with the border strikes? Because maybe I’m being stupid and forgive me if I am but implementing that and denying people entry is easier when you have a border force.
"The right call" isn't that simple. This is more about politics and looking like they're doing something than actual science.Just yesterday the British government said they had no plans to require negative covid tests for arrivals from China. Obviously, most people knew it would change. But to change within a day, although the right call, just makes the government look fickle.
I just wondered if it was anything to do with the border strikes? Because maybe I’m being stupid and forgive me if I am but implementing that and denying people entry is easier when you have a border force.
You make a good point about the USA. Read they recorded highest numbers in x amount of time, didn’t know it was an unknown variant."The right call" isn't that simple. This is more about politics and looking like they're doing something than actual science.
Testing people a day before they fly means that you catch only some infectious cases - and you'll catch a lot of people who are already past the infectious stage. Meanwhile the people who were infected in the previous few days, who are about to hit their most infectious phase, will get missed.
If you want to address actual caseload you need to test before and after the flight, and keep testing in quarantine conditions for at least a week. As it happens, numerically speaking, for the UK (like most countries) the extra cases will be a drop in the ocean.
If you want to look for variant data - because you don't trust what China is saying - it would be the post flight tests that matter. Because those you can run through your own, trusted labs.
Right now, the most startling growth in a single variant of unknown severity is coming from the US. If we want to go back to flight controls shouldn't we start with those travellers? Personally, I don't want to see border controls make a comeback - I think they're irrelevant given vaccination and past infection levels in the UK - and I don't think these are more than a PR exercise.
update, this is probably the worst cold/flu I’ve ever had. Started with the fever and sinus headaches and severe body aches that kept me out of action for around 4 days. Started feeling a bit better but was still coughing slightly and had a constant runny nose. That was around a week and thought i was improving until yesterday I started feeling severe body aches again and woke up with a stinking blocked nose and sore throat. Went to the toilet this morning and ungodly fluids were flying out of my nose and mouth. Really nasty. Been about 2 weeks now sick, fed up with it.Felt like I was getting better yesterday and now I’ve woke up feeling fecking awful. Feel nauseous constantly, my head feels heavy as heck and it feels like I can barely move my body.