Have you even read this thread? Several critics have suggested that Kagawa either A) Peaked at age 23(
) or B) was on a lucky spell in Dortmund, which made him seem like a much better player than he actually is().So they have a different opinion to you. Probably time to grow up a little and deal with that.Have you even read this thread? Several critics have suggested that Kagawa either A) Peaked at age 23(
As of this moment, these exact posters are waiting eagerly for Kagawa to fail in Dortmund, so that they can come back here and go I-told-you-so on our asses.
Kagawa could easily be shit at Dortmund, for many reasons. His confidence will have taken a knock after performing so badly at United, and the two reasons you're laughing at aren't the most ridiculous suggestions I've ever seen.Have you even read this thread? Several critics have suggested that Kagawa either A) Peaked at age 23(
As of this moment, these exact posters are waiting eagerly for Kagawa to fail in Dortmund, so that they can come back here and go I-told-you-so on our asses.
There's having an opinion, and then there's having an opinion that's highly illogical/unlikely. One should be allowed to laugh at the latter, imo.
E.g. your opinion that a player has performed badly for 2 years will instantly perform at a level, where he himself would admit, was playing well..
It might be because I'm feeling a little under the weather now, but I don't understand what you mean with this sentence. Could you elaborate?
It's quite simple, the statement you claim to be illogical made by the other poster, the one you mocked, is in my opinion as illogical regarding your views on Kagawa.
Then equally, you should accept that people find your opinion illogical/unlikely and laugh at you.
Which views in particular? Do you have any examples?
Where did I write that?
Clearly he wasn't too close with Lewandowski or Gotze.
None of my views on Kagawa are highly unlikely/illogical. While you might not agree with some of these opinions, that doesn't make them unlikely.
That's assuming that his demise is down to physical reasons which nobody has suggested it is. A players "peak" is determined as the point in his career where he is at his best, if he has a huge drop in confidence like he has and has two years without regular football then it's not "extremely unlikely" at all that he will struggle to get back to the level he once reached. He might be one of those players who struggle to motivate themselves, maybe that's the reason it didn't work here, all we know is that he is miles away from the form that he found in his first spell at Dortmund and it's very possible that he might not reach that level again considering he won't have Lewendowski ahead of him, Gotze beside him and the same Gundogen behind him.
They gave him Hoffman's number?
Whilst he was undoubtedly ineffective he was a joy to watch with the ball at times. I don't think any player who the fans get enjoyment out of watching can be considered a failure, same goes for Berbatov for me.
The way I see it, there are two types of peaks. Natural peaks and actual peaks. A natural peak is how a player would have peaked if he was allowed a natural progression, consistent playtime, and stays away from serious injuries. An actual peak is how a player turned out to peak. To make an extreme example: if Januzaj was unable to play football for the rest of his life starting now, he would have peaked at age 19.
Widow's.
Well that's bull now. Kagawa never even played in a team that fielded all those three players in form at the same time. He didn't have Lewandowski ahead of him during his first year at Dortmund, the second year also had a Lewandowski who wasn't nearly as good as the Lewandowski of the last two seasons, despite him scoring a lot. A lot of Dortmund fans weren't actually all that happy with him, especially during the first half of the year, with oppinions mostly changing after Dortmund managed to beat Bayern in the Bundesliga thanks to Lewandowskis lucky heel. Kagawa was also at his strongest when he didn't have Götze beside him. They managed to work well together during Kagawa's first year at Borussia, but after Kagawa's injury made Götze go into a more central position, things didn't click all that well anymore. And when you are talking about the "same" Gündogan, are you referring to the one that ripped Europe apart during the 2012/2013 season? Well, Kagawa really didn't get to play with that Gündogan all too much. Gündogan wasn't at Dortmund during Kagawa's first year and had a horrendous start to the second year, being left out of the squad on multiple occasions. It wasn't until the second half of 2011/2012 that Gündogan became a regular at BVB and even then he wasn't as good as he was a year ago. While it is questionable that Gündogan will ever be as good as he was a season ago, I don't think that the Gündogan of 2011/2012 is all that unreachable.
He's really nothing like him though
To be fair, people laughed loads when it was suggested than a 24-26 year old Rooney was past his peak.
I wouldn't have laughed at the idea of Rooney peaking at age 26. It's only 2 years earlier than the "normal" peak age, and Rooney is a special case, as he was thrown into the deep end of the pool as a teenager and has played a shitload of games ever since.
10/11 that he got 20 league goals, his third season
26 year old rooney was past his peak, and its only going to get worse from hereon.
Why would you disregard last season when so far this season under LVG the team have been worse against lesser opposition?
