Without a shadow of a doubt, he should play. Give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves. Only thing the stewards will have to on their guard, in case there is one nutter who decides to take things into his own hands and approach Evra on the pitch.
Should we play Evra at Anfield in the Cup?
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Evra's got to play - anything else would be seen as a climb-down / cowardly by United and the Dippers would have a field day laughing their heads off.
It's a problem for the authorities but especially Liverpool FC as they have to police the game. The level of abuse (probably racist) by the fans will be immense and I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of Liverpool players don't try to wind-up or take revenge against Evra. The game will need a very strong ref.
It's a problem for the authorities but especially Liverpool FC as they have to police the game. The level of abuse (probably racist) by the fans will be immense and I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of Liverpool players don't try to wind-up or take revenge against Evra. The game will need a very strong ref.
they will shout racial abuse at him and there will be another police investigation.
it will make their recent statement after the Oldham match even more hollow.
it will make their recent statement after the Oldham match even more hollow.
I'm just waiting for LFC to get bannings and point deductions.
you just know the scum will bite...
you just know the scum will bite...
For that they dont need Patrice actually playing, him on the bench would be just as bad for them.
I cant imagine the panic in the Anfield offices, they have to do some serious damage control in the following weeks, as they made an atmosphere in Liverpool that trouble and abuse is all but certain.
As much as I dont like them, I hope they will prove me wrong.
This could go two ways in my opinion:
Liverpool, and their fans, could be squeaky clean and get commended (which I very much doubt), or
They could hurl abuse and target Pat and get destroyed by the press and FA (which I expect)
All in all, the ref needs to be extremely strong and the police and stewards probably need to be stronger.
Liverpool, and their fans, could be squeaky clean and get commended (which I very much doubt), or
They could hurl abuse and target Pat and get destroyed by the press and FA (which I expect)
All in all, the ref needs to be extremely strong and the police and stewards probably need to be stronger.
yes we play him
He'll get dogs abuse, but he doesn't strike me as someone who'd let that effect him.
Plus we're not exactly blessed with options at LB.
Plus we're not exactly blessed with options at LB.
The abuse got to him the last time he played there. At least it's unlikely to come from on the pitch this time...
This
Hm...
1) We leave out Evra because of the Suarez thing
2) We leave out Welbeck, Ferdinand and Smalling because they might be racially abused
3) We leave out Rooney because he is a scouser and they hate him
4) We leave out Nani because they think he is a diver and they hate him
5) We leave out a potentially fit Michael Owen for obvious reasons
6) We leave out Phil Jones because he turned down Liverpool to join us
7) We leave out Ashley Young (see explanation above)
8) We leave out Ryan Giggs because of the abuse he ll get for his affairs
They will boo at whoever we put out on that pitch - I am sure Evra will cope as well!
1) We leave out Evra because of the Suarez thing
2) We leave out Welbeck, Ferdinand and Smalling because they might be racially abused
3) We leave out Rooney because he is a scouser and they hate him
4) We leave out Nani because they think he is a diver and they hate him
5) We leave out a potentially fit Michael Owen for obvious reasons
6) We leave out Phil Jones because he turned down Liverpool to join us
7) We leave out Ashley Young (see explanation above)
8) We leave out Ryan Giggs because of the abuse he ll get for his affairs
They will boo at whoever we put out on that pitch - I am sure Evra will cope as well!
He shouldn't play...
he should score
he should score
I'd leave him out, partly for reasons of public order, but also because he'll either get kippered by a horrific foul or sent off, or at the very least is likely to give a goal away. He's a liability fairly often at the best of times these days, and I don't fancy his chances in that crucible of bitterness.
I'd leave him out, for his own and football's sake. Football needs to be put into perspective, it's not necessary to risk a reckless lunge at the cost of Evra's career. The public and neutral fans don't need to see the potential racial abuse either, there is no need for a reminder that there still, at this day and age, exists racism in modern football. Basically what Plech said above, although with worse English.
feck it, let's not play him. Let's make ourselves weaker as a defensive unit, because we're afraid of the racists, may as well send them a white flag over while we're at it to let them know they've won...
...or, ya know, feck that shit - let's play the captain and smash the cnuts.
...or, ya know, feck that shit - let's play the captain and smash the cnuts.
Let them boo Evra, and make complete asses of themselves in front of the whole world. The video of them booing Evra would be another black mark on the club, an appropriate reminder of the desperate and vitriolic attitude of your average Liverpool fan.
Doing these guys favors is off the menu. Like Fergie says, there's nothing to talk about.
Doing these guys favors is off the menu. Like Fergie says, there's nothing to talk about.
You see this is another reason it's a bad idea, this business of 'let the racists boo him'. Of course, the whole crowd will boo him, not cos they're racist, but because they think he lied to stitch Suarez up. But emotions are running too high now, and conclusions will be drawn.
Better to defuse this thing. It's not as if he's in good form defensively anyway.
Better to defuse this thing. It's not as if he's in good form defensively anyway.
Yes
Am surprised by your opinion on this Pletch ... and dare I say it, abit disappointed.
Manchester United do not have a problem with racism within our squad or club, Patrice Evra did absolutely nothing wrong and our club has behaved impeccably and responsibly throughout this entire sordid episode. It is KKK and Liverpool FC who escalated this issue at every possible opportunity and to the highest level of mass hysteria.
And just as life has a wonderful way of balancing things out and making wankers get their comeuppance, so we now have to play them on their turf and allow the world to see their fans in full glory.
Evra MUST play. He is currently our captain. He is one of the first names of the team sheet every week. He has immense big game experience. And he has nothing to hide from.
Let a Liverpool player try and hack him to pieces. Let the Liverpool fans spit put their disgusting bile, of which alot will be racist. Let the world see what KKK has done to this once great club.
I could not give a flying fcuk about 'defusing' this thing. That is the responsibility of Liverpool FC and Liverpool FC alone. They created this monster, lets see if they can now tame it. If they cant, they cant cry wolf. I hate that club with a vengeance now. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.
I hope that the police gives all our visiting fans the full protection and escort they will require when they meet these animals from Merseyside. One on one, our fans would beat their into pulp .... but we as a club moved on from those days years ago. Dinosaur clubs like Liverpool who subtly endorse racist behaviour obviously have not.
Given their stated policy to expel any fan caught using racist language, I expect them to have about 852 fans by the final whistle ... after we have meted out a huge thrashing to them on the pitch.
Im putting money on Evra to score a goal at the bookies tomorrow!
My sentiments exactly.
Evra would be hopping bloody mad if Fergie dropped him for the Liverpool game and quite right too. Ludicrous to think he shouldn't play.
What's the punishment and procedure for if/when there is massive racist abuse shouted at him?
Assuming Evra himself has no objections to playing, then we absolutely should play him. Obviously if the player doesnt want to do it then thats one thing, but as long as Paddy is up for it then as others have said, let Liverpool and their fans just embarrass themselves further.
Same as when the dude got caught for abusing that Oldham player I assume. Arrested and formally processed with the police for racial abuse etc.
Catching all the culprits would be hard though, but hopefully they'd sort it out for the majority.
Dunno for sure but I seem to remember some Spurs fans were punished (maybe prosecuted) for shouting abuse at Sol Campbell. If the Liverpool fans racially abuse Evra en masse, I suppose the club would be fined or sanctioned in some other way.
Sorry to disappoint you, but it's only a football match. If dropping Evra makes it less likely to turn into a feckin riot, it might be the wisest course of action.
He shouldn't be captain anyway, he's a complete fruit loop
Liverpool would be well advised to reiterate their issue is now with the FA's handling of the case and not Patrice Evra, for the sake of their own reputations. Especially considering they now have the incident in the Oldham match reinforcing the growing negative image of their club.
If the last few weeks are anything to go by it is unlikely they'll be well advised though.
If the last few weeks are anything to go by it is unlikely they'll be well advised though.
Don't be ridiculous, the only way it can turn into a riot depends entirely on the Scousers, it's not United (or Evra)'s problem at all.
If Liverpool fans want to act like fools in front of a worldwide audience, let them.
It'll be a morning KO, ensuring tens of millions of people will be watching this game around the globe.
Would we not like to avoid crowd trouble? Even if its all Liverpool's fans. Is this not something we would prefer not to happen?
Some of you seem to really want to see something nasty happen just so we can laugh at Liverpool again
For me I would prefer the game to pass without any incident. And if not playing Evra helps that to happen (surely it would help) so be it
Some of you seem to really want to see something nasty happen just so we can laugh at Liverpool again
For me I would prefer the game to pass without any incident. And if not playing Evra helps that to happen (surely it would help) so be it
LFC are on the brink of implosion here. They will NOT be able to control their fans - RAWK and the behaviour of their fans to a completely unrelated (to the Suarez incident) black player in their last match are the proof of that. I can't see them just going back to normal all of a sudden. Dalglish has rendered that outcome impossible. Their behaviour is likely to bring the club to its knees at the match against us. I can't see any other possibility
The best way to avoid crowd trouble is for us to conceed the tie and let them go to the 5th round.
The fact is that there is no reason for us to leave out Evra (in footballing terms), the home side and the police have the responsibility in ensuring the safety of the crowd.
I can accept they may offer a reduced allocation to allow for more segregation, but we should not be putting out teams with the opposition fans' behaviour in mind.
If it was Rooney I'd say play him. But Evra scares the shit out of me defensively these days anyway...
It's not our responsibility to defuse Liverpool fans.
Why anyone is suggesting we should not play our player for fear of what they do is beyond me.
Why anyone is suggesting we should not play our player for fear of what they do is beyond me.
So who do you suggest is a better LB than Evra at the moment? We seem to have numerous option at RB but none at LB.
Dunno if it's very useful to look at it in a macho way, 'show no fear' etc. If there is a way of defusing the tension that's built up between the clubs, without genuinely damaging our chances of progressing, it might be worth thinking about.
The situation's getting out of control. Yes that's their fault, but even without this sort of shit between the playing staff we've had nasty incidents the last few years - shit throwing, rocking Alan Smith's ambulance, their fans getting a right kicking on the forecourt. It's easy to imagine shit happening on the pitch that catalyses some real trouble, in which people get badly hurt. It seems to me it's both clubs' responsibility to think about ways to make that less likely.
Evans can play LB and should be fit
True. If they can't control their fans it will make their club look even worse and they will rightly get criticised. People forget LFC will be under intense scrutiny as well with 2 racist incidents happening in a short space of time. I'm sure both clubs will try and do everything they can to keep the focus on the football and nothing else. Anyway getting jeered for being the recipient of racial discrimination is just ridiculous. Any fan who get's involved in that should take a long hard look at themselves.
If Evra is fit and in form, then we'll play him.
Exquisite choice of verbiage there, sir.
Yes we absolutely should play Evra, he'll be able to handle the pressure. Everybody knows when they make (what were found to be truthful) accusations of racism as Evra did that they will get abuse thrown at them left and right and if he wasn't man enough to take it he would never have gone public right after that game. He's been brave enough to take a stand against something awful in our industry despite the risk of a backlash up to this point, why wouldn't he continue to do so?
I'm watching the highlights and it seems to me that Evra was directing Rooney away from the crowd he was running to after 1-0, and acting as a shield when the players are celebrating 2-0 the same place.
He's much calmer since he's been with Julian Assange
Guys, it's not like we have another left back, he sorta has to play. Super Evra!