fecking terrible game management tonight.
I thought Ole's vs Villarreal was bad, my god, Southgate's had a stinker that beats that
I thought Ole's vs Villarreal was bad, my god, Southgate's had a stinker that beats that
Southgate doesn’t get the credit he deserves
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Southgate tried his best to do a smash and grab, shockingly negative.
I disagree with a lot of what people are saying here, I think subs aside he got it right.
They were a different league in terms of technically and ball keeping ability in their midfield and defence. The way they moved the ball was far better than anything we could do. We had to play counter attacking football. We defended really well, with all of their possession and technical ability they created little and we were comfortable most of the game. This was our best chance to win.
They were a different league in terms of technically and ball keeping ability in their midfield and defence. The way they moved the ball was far better than anything we could do. We had to play counter attacking football. We defended really well, with all of their possession and technical ability they created little and we were comfortable most of the game. This was our best chance to win.
I think Southgate has been jinxed ever since someone the CAF compared him to Ole.
Sorry pal, but not sure what you're saying?! The other person was saying I spelled it wrong and using that as a cheap win.
They have the players, but Southgate is crap. Will he be lucky again with the draw? Not enough is made of our easy runs. I think any manager would get as far with this squad.
Three subs all missed pens, can't really blame that on Gareth.
However, failing to adjust to Italy dominating possession, leaving Mount on when his legs went at least 30 minutes earlier, choosing Saka as the first attacking sub...poor.
Overall, did an average job. Ultimately our weakest part of the team is centre midfield and he has to work with that limitation, a side with top ball players in midfield can squeeze us out of the game (Croatia 2018, Italy 2021) and Gareth found no solution.
However, failing to adjust to Italy dominating possession, leaving Mount on when his legs went at least 30 minutes earlier, choosing Saka as the first attacking sub...poor.
Overall, did an average job. Ultimately our weakest part of the team is centre midfield and he has to work with that limitation, a side with top ball players in midfield can squeeze us out of the game (Croatia 2018, Italy 2021) and Gareth found no solution.
He'll never recover from this. Played for penalties and got his just dessert. I don't think his players will have as much faith in him after this.
Sack him now and we move on
Southgate has been England's weak point all tournament and it has come back to bite them in a competition they were more than good enough to win. That was England's best chance of winning a trophy I can remember and he botched it.
Negative, passive football that ultimately cost them here as they surrendered control of the game to Italy for far too long.
Some posters were blinded by getting wins against teams you were better than anyway, but those wins were in spite of the manager. When he started the tournament with Trippier over Shaw at LB alarm bells should have been ringing. Grealish starting on the bench constantly, persisting with the double DM midfield, not making the most of the attacking talent he had.....
Negative, passive football that ultimately cost them here as they surrendered control of the game to Italy for far too long.
Some posters were blinded by getting wins against teams you were better than anyway, but those wins were in spite of the manager. When he started the tournament with Trippier over Shaw at LB alarm bells should have been ringing. Grealish starting on the bench constantly, persisting with the double DM midfield, not making the most of the attacking talent he had.....
Disgusting.
People have been saying this all tournament, but have been ridiculed. Hopefully now people will start to see this
Doesn't get the credit he deserves
If you hire a clown, then expect a circus.
If you hire a clown, then expect a circus.
Loser DNA.
At least Ole didn't hang some kids out to dry
The fecker will escape critiscm again. He’s been shocking tonight. How can anyone defend him after tonight’s match?
Grealish seriously killed his cat. This game was begging for Italy get a red card and he let him play for less than 30 minutes.
Would have been a great idea... if we did any counter attacking at all.
Instead he turned us into Burnley in front of all of Europe. He can feck off.
Handled that final like Ole handled the Europa League final. Atrocious.
I honestly think hes one of the luckiest managers current plying his trade. No credentials that suggest he should get the job and has the easiest runs at major tournaments of any manager. I get that he fosters a good team spirit and hes likeable. But, if I were an England fan, I would rather an absolute cnut of a manager who was tactically sound.
Awful subs, Henderson was Jota levels of badness when he came on, Saka over the other attacking options? Awful
When it counted most, his safety first cowardice cost us.
Terrible in tacits: no pressing allowing italy to keep their fitness levels. Italy possession was more due to fitness strategy than tactical and Southgate just didn't react.
I'm not an England fan at all but I was frustrated by his negativity tonight. Fair play on getting to the final but if I were an England fan I would still want to see him go and have a positive manager appointed. England have a lot of attacking talent which he has no idea or desire to utilize.
Bottled it. A real waste of all that attacking talent. If you want to win the game maybe bring Rashford and Sancho to win the game rather than take a penalty cold.
How can you not? Two players he clearly didn’t trust, being brought on with no time to even get a touch and get warmed up, having to take two pressure pens.
And then Saka giving all the evidence in the world that the occasion was too much for him, from the moment he came on, being given such a massive pen.
It was moronic, there is definitely blame to give to Gareth on those decisions. Such poor planning and logic.
Sad for England but not for Southgate. To play like pussies for the rest of the game after going in front after 2 mins is a fecking joke. Also to put players on only to take a pen without being able to kick a ball during the game is a cnut move as well. Not to speak of leaving the biggest talents England have on the bench for the whole tournament.
But how do you explain what happened second half? Italy didn't score until 15 mins after changing their system. All that time they were ascending.
Southgate never once matched that change, he waits. They score...who does he bring on, baring in mind the possession was around 79% to them by then, Saka.
His game management was trash, the signs were there in the Denmark game, and I'd even argue the Germany one. He sets up well, but absolutely is clueless at a plan B.
And let's not even talk about the extra time stuff, it looks even worse for him and even you can't argue that!
England used to have coward players and coward managers. Now they have good players but still a coward manager. To complete the full sweep they need to get rid of the coward management they've had
As always, down with defensive football and down with defensive managers.
This f**** has put so much pressure on Rashford and Sancho and destroyed their confidence. He hasn't played them at all, and just throws them in like this. They already would be less confident seeing Mount and Saka stink up the joint for hours and still not getting a look in.
Terrible game management. Should have had Sancho, Rashford and Grealish l on much earlier than he did.
To only bring on two of the most dangerous attackers in world football with a couple of minutes left of ET sums Southgate up as a manager sadly. Such a limp way to lose a final.
That loss is all on Southgate. Fecked up the game plan, the substitutes and then expected the three youngest players, two of which hadn't even had time to warm up on the pitch, to bale him out in penalties.
Where were the experienced players hiding (well done Harry)?
Where were the experienced players hiding (well done Harry)?
He’s a good motivator but tactically he is inept. He has a dreadful club record.
Do people really think this England team is as good as it gets? I don't see any manager impact on that team. The only influence is Southgate went for defensive setup which got him to the final, but they also had unusually easy path to the final considering the rivals and stadiums they played at.
I think Southgate had a lot of luck this time and made some bad decisions in the final. But I also think this England team could be much better.
I think Southgate had a lot of luck this time and made some bad decisions in the final. But I also think this England team could be much better.
Sir Alex let Anderson and Nani take them but at least they were involved off and on. This was non-sensical.
71% possession for Italy... at Wembley. No more comments needed
With a final performance like that there is still hope Tottenham will hire him. Fits perfectly into their club DNA.
England got to the final in spite of Southgate. I genuinely think he should be sacked but he obviously won't be.